Many Colorado cannabis farmers were caught off-guard by an October fall freeze which killed many plants just before they were harvested. Jim Marty and Larry Mishkin discuss whether it will impact dispensary prices. They also talk about Les Claypool's announcement that he is reuniting Oysterhead for a 2020 tour with Stewart Copeland from the Police on drums. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/jim-marty https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/guests/rob-hunt
Many Colorado cannabis farmers were caught off-guard by an October fall freeze which killed many plants just before they were harvested. Jim Marty and Larry Mishkin discuss whether it will impact dispensary prices. They also talk about Les Claypool's announcement that he is reuniting Oysterhead for a 2020 tour with Stewart Copeland from the Police on drums.
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Jim Marty: [00:00:33] Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Dena. Cannabis Show, Jim Martin talking here from Longmont, Colorado. I got my partner up in Chicago, Larry, Michigan.
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:44] Hey, Jim, how are you today? Very good. How's the weather in Chicago? Actually, very, very nice. It had gotten old, but it's we're in Sunny, so we're all happy about that.
Jim Marty: [00:00:53] It's a beautiful day here in Colorado, about sixty two degrees and sunny. But speaking of weather, yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, news here a week or so ago, just about a week ago to day. It was a two weeks ago, but it got down. We had a thirty six hours below freezing. Got down to 15, 17 degrees at my house. And that wreaked havoc on a lot of plants that were in the ground. One of our good Colorado companies lost waivers in Ludlow. It's been on the Internet news that they think they might have lost half their crop. My wife lost a couple of her house plants and we got them in pretty quick, but not quick enough. And they died. So, yeah, it was a that was a hard freeze. I'm not a scientist, but I learned a lot from being in this industry. And my understanding is that marijuana or Hemp that's outdoors can survive a light first frost, but not a hard second thrust. Well, our first frost was a hard frost, and I think some folks lost their crops. There was a big scramble to get the harvested and inside and drying outs. So anyway.
Larry Mishkin: [00:02:05] Yeah, Mother Nature, let me ask you a question. Is there any precedent for that in Colorado? As this happened, more with early winters coming in?
Jim Marty: [00:02:13] Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Colorado, we can snow that in any month of the year. You can get snow in July or August up in the mountains.
Larry Mishkin: [00:02:21] But when you're talking about I time the news that it's two o'clock in the afternoon, it was 80 degrees and vice rainfall and time at five or six o'clock. It was snowing.
Jim Marty: [00:02:29] Yes. Yeah. We had a very drastic temperature change. My buddy was up in the mountains with a short sleeve shirt on fishing, drove down the puter canyon. And he said on his way down the Twitter canyon, the temperature outside his car dropped 60 degrees.
Larry Mishkin: [00:02:45] Yeah, that's an accepted risk of cultivating outdoors in Colorado.
Jim Marty: [00:02:50] Yes. Yeah. I talk to a lot of our clients and most of them got their plants harvested and inside because, you know, it's okay to bring them inside wet as long as you get them hung upside and drying very quickly. Pure dry room, because if you leave them outside for very long, they will it will just turn into green mush. That is just useless to anybody. Yeah, there's a lot of risk in this business. I talk about risk all the time with our clients, and I'm sure you do, too, Larry Bird.
Larry Mishkin: [00:03:19] What are they saying about the impact of that on the supply and pricing?
Jim Marty: [00:03:23] Well, like I said, I think a lot of the outdoor crop got inside, OK? However, we are seeing this very good news for our clients. We're seeing a very nice uptick in prices a year ago as the outdoor how this came in. We were down to about eight hundred dollars a pound at also $750. Also, a lot of people were going under. A year later, our wholesale pounds are eighteen hundred to two thousand. So over a thousand dollar increments, over 100 percent increase in price. And we're starting to see some of those bargains around Denver go away. The the seventy five and ninety nine dollar ounces are giving way, too. Now, if you shop around for a bargain, you can find that ask for one hundred and fifty dollars. But those are getting a little more rare to see an ace ticket up from twenty twenty five dollars. Now these are up to thirty thirty five dollars. So we're seeing some uptick in prices, which is good for the industry. You need a lot of profit margin in this industry to survive IRS code section 280 E and other various risk that we just talked about. You know, people call me all the time. I want to talk about investing in Cannabis in other states. And I even my own partners here at the CPA firm were closely talking about the very, very many different risks associated with this industry, starting with the fact that's federally illegal. But then you got weather risk, you got regulatory risk, you've got real estate risk. The list goes on.
Larry Mishkin: [00:04:55] Let me ask you, is there is that ringing mush that gets left behind when this happens with the weather? Does that even. They even make an extract out of that. It have any value at all?
Jim Marty: [00:05:06] I don't believe so. I could be wrong. And, you know, if you could drill, if you can do it quick, you know, throw it in the freezer. They call that there's a name for that will come to me. Good fast freeze or something like that where they get her, they take it right from this and then put it into a freezer. The plant even knows it's dead. There might be some possibility for that, but that's about it. Like I said, I think you're pretty well screwed if your crop freezes. So right now we jump right into the Cannabis. We want to talk a little bit about music and one of my favorite artists. Let's Clay Tomb of Trina's has announced that he's getting the place to head band back together, which is Trey Anastasia on lead. And let's Claypool on bass, of course. And then Stewart Copeland on drums from the police.
Larry Mishkin: [00:06:00] It's such a it's such a great mash up of musicians. And I just love Stuart Copeland being a part of that. Let's play Paul. He has a well-established part in the jam band for the jam band world. And Primus is certainly, you know, as good as many of them. But, you know, you think of a guy like Stuart Copeland of the police who, you know, certainly were the big news of their day. But it's hardly the same sound that, you know, that the Trey and Primus break out. And yet there he is. It's such a natural fit that it's it's really wonderful to see.
Jim Marty: [00:06:32] Yeah, I have a great story about the first time I saw this, Claypool and Primus. They opened the first Bonnaroo and replayed middle of the afternoon. Bright sunshine, big crowd. Just kidding. Bonnaroo kicked off for the very first time. This would have been June of 2002. And in through the back of the crowd comes a marching New Orleans street band whose name right? Oh, the Dirty Dozen Brass Band. The Dirty Dozen Brass Band comes marching through the crowd. New Orleans style, big horns blowing to those trombones. The whole death march right up the middle of the crowd, right up onto stage and start jammin with with the primus. That's awesome. Great. Let's listen through a thing.
Larry Mishkin: [00:07:22] Yeah, you get good stuff like that. And then here it is. And you know, it's just a lot of fun to see them all together and to see them up there, you know, for trade gives him a whole new set of boundaries to play with it. And as we've discussed, he's so hot right now that that's those are going to probably be great shows, many of them coming through your town.
Jim Marty: [00:07:38] Yes. We're getting two shows right outside of Boulder and Broomfield, Colorado. I think we're the first show on the tour and that'll be in February 2020. So we're looking forward to those shows. I think a lot of rain might have started in the last day or so. And yeah, we'd planned to buy tickets right away and try to stay off the secondary market. But obviously, the shows will sell out very quickly. Trade must really like Colorado because he was here doing solo just before Christmas in the spring. Right. Lates. He came and did it so as tab band at a new venue in Denver. And then, of course, we got our three fish that was on Labor Day and now he's back here again. I don't know that it has anything to do with the fact that Colorado has legal Cannabis. The treasurer seems to like Colorado.
Larry Mishkin: [00:08:30] You guys are only too happy to have him come alive. No, that's great. And he'll maybe hold him up with his old buddy, Bob Weir, who knows who, by the way, just celebrated a birthday the other day, 72 years old industry.
Jim Marty: [00:08:40] We're right here. I knew he was an October birthday. Very good. We're looking forward to seeing the shows in Los Angeles, December 27, 28, Objet and CO. So, yeah, that's what you were saying.
Larry Mishkin: [00:08:53] Those will be great to. But, you know, I get such a kick out of, you know, the fact that, you know, Bob, whereas 72 years old, right. And just think of him so much as kind of like the young, wild child of the Grateful Dead. You know, it's a great story how Garcia had to go ask his parents where his parents for permission to play with the band when they first started, because under California law, he was too young under their employment laws and workers laws. So they got his parents to agree to sign off, let him become a permanent member of the band. Otherwise promoters weren't letting him come into their venues to play. Now he's only 2 years old and he's going stronger than ever. And if you've seen his video work out on YouTube. But why he doesn't work out. That would put most of us to shame, huh?
Jim Marty: [00:09:37] I have not seen that. That's very interesting, because at age 63, I'm enjoying my workouts and I always like to bring these new things into it. But yes, I've heard those stories about you. And as he described it, I think was the other one documentary about Bob that he ran away and joined the circus. Right. Right.
Larry Mishkin: [00:09:58] Exactly. Exactly right. You know, it's always the prankster, you know, memorialized in the other one. Right. He came by and busted me for smiling on a cloudy day, which is another great story. He drops some water balloons out of the window and the police officers outside of the dad's house and the hate. He came outside and just sat on the curb and just had this goofy grin smiling at them. So they the determination that he was the mad bomber of the water balloons, they cast them off. And that's where he came up with that line for the song.
Jim Marty: [00:10:24] Yes. He came around and busted me for smiling on a cloudy day. Was it a sunny day? Cloudy days, anyway? Yeah, he had some great stories. If you ever looked up the networks like Shel and Bob, it's like over 100 million.
Larry Mishkin: [00:10:38] I have not. But it's you know, it's certainly not surprising, eh? My understanding was, is that Bob came from a family that had somebody I don't know how accurate that is, but that was always my understanding of him. It's gone to boarding school one after another because he couldn't manage to stay in any of them without getting forced out. But when you look at the Grateful Dead numbers, right. While garc'ia was still alive. So through 95, they remained one of the top grossing live acts in the country. And the stories that I've read have been that since Garcia's death and with the advent of all the six picks, Dave's picks and all the box sets that they're coming out with and everything else that they're doing annually, they're making way, way more now than they ever did when they were in their peak touring form.
Larry Mishkin: [00:11:20] And, you know, they're all cashing in on all of this. And so, you know, that wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that these guys are sitting on a boatload of money every time they go into their vaults and pull out another show. And, you know, it sells out right away. And they make, you know, how much money they make on that, that they sell these thousand dollar box sets and those sell out.
Jim Marty: [00:11:39] And there's more to it than that. Every time a Grateful Dead song is played on the radio, we're in the serious anywhere in the world. The artist gets a few pennies or even a fraction of a few pennies. And of course, over my career, 60 some years, that in itself adds up very quickly.
Larry Mishkin: [00:11:57] Yes, certainly.
Larry Mishkin: [00:12:00] Now, listen, you know, that just makes me happy to know that they're not touring because they need to and that they're touring because it's really something that they enjoy doing. I certainly think that's pretty obvious when you see him up on stage and all the fun that they're having and know all the good stuff that's going on today. Dateless, the good times roll right along.
Jim Marty: [00:12:17] Yeah, that was what I was thinking when I saw how much my New Year's tickets were. Right. Yes, it did. It really needs to charge $160 a piece since my son Matt. He goes, hey, what else are you going to do for $160 on New Year's Eve?
Larry Mishkin: [00:12:34] Exactly right. We're on New Year's Eve, you know, which is the greatest overhyped night of the year. How many other places would you really, truly rather be than sitting in a room listening to the Grateful Dead perform live at the stroke of midnight?
Larry Mishkin: [00:12:46] The minister is the best place to be. OK, so then for you and you'll enjoy what your stories about that.
Jim Marty: [00:12:53] Oh, yeah. Looking forward to that one. Just thought we'd run out of time. I wanted to talk a little more about the Hemp show is that we could go today.
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Jim Marty: [00:13:46] Yeah, very interesting. I told some stories about it on our last podcast, but one of the very interesting things was unlike a marijuana show. And Larry, you and I, I've been to dozens and dozens of marijuana shows. It's really frowned upon or can't really sell products at a marijuana convention or conference, however. Hemp. You can. You can with Hemp. I mean, people were selling or giving away products. I came home with a very big goody bag. Was 400 booze there. I got to maybe less than one hundred, maybe 75, 80 booze. And I always introduce myself and tell them that I'm a chance in the cannabis and Hemp world. And I always say, Hey, where are you guys from and how long you've been in business? And I think the oldest answer to that question was 2016. Many of these companies have been formed in 2017, 18 and even 19 for a very, very new company is a very new industry. It reminds me of where the legal marijuana world was back in 2012 and 13. The very young companies, they're very excited. But I got a lot of good products. I got some Stormy Daniels Smokable Hemp. That's for a hit. And it was really it definitely does not get you by. I tried, which was good is I'm not really like the one C130s, but legal Hemp is supposed to, you know, have the relaxation powers without, you know, the high. And so I just sampled some of that Stormy Daniels before bed. And I didn't get me high because I read my books for a little while and it doesn't not high, but I didn't sleep good that night. So, you know, maybe the re-assemble today is Hemp business, but I got all kinds of change, flowers and creams and mints.
Larry Mishkin: [00:15:35] That's fantastic. And if you would, but which you just mentioned and I think that that's ultimately really the key to all of this, is that people will understand that it does give you that hopeful benefit without getting high in Chicago this week. They have called something called the Chicago Ideas Week, and it started a few years back. And it's basically an opportunity for a lot of people to come in and do a lot of presentations on a bunch of different topics, the TED talks and things like that. So I went to a couple of them that were related to Cannabis, and one of them was yesterday morning. And on the panel was former NBA player Al Harrington. Harrington currently owns two companies. One is called by Ola, which is his Cannabis, his GHC company, and then the other one called Harington Wellness Services or something like that. And that's his CBD company. And he tried to explain to people, you know, the difference between the two. He told the story, which was it's an amazing story. And he went up afterwards and he said, feel free to tell it. So I'm telling it for all of his grandma. His story was that his grandma knew what he was getting into and saying, you know, grandma, you have all these health issues. This Cannabis can really help you in this line as she turned in and say, I'm not going to smoke any of that reefer.
Larry Mishkin: [00:16:45] I don't want any of it. So finally, he got back to her and said, well, look, you know, grandma here, this stuff, it's CBD and this will really help you with your glaucoma. And you see if we're reading your books and this will help you, but it won't get you high. No, no, no. It's Cannabis. It's all the same. I'm not touching that stuff. And he said, well, you know, OK, you got to do what you gotta do. He said he left some lying around, though. When he came home later that night, it wasn't there. So he went in, find his grandma to tease her a little bit as she tried it. He went into her room and she was sitting in her room and she was sitting there with his back to her, back to him on the bed crying. He walked up to his grandma, Grandma, what's wrong? And she said, nothing's wrong. I tried that CBD that you left him on the first floor of the House and he said, Yeah. And she said, for the first time in years, my eyes are not hurting me and I can read my Bible. So I'm crying with tears of joy that my prayers have been answered and I can read my Bible without it hurting my eyes.
Jim Marty: [00:17:43] That's a great story. That's a great story for their lives. I might as well be told. So I have people in my world who are older, late 60s and 70s, that little old ladies who sit there and smoke survey pen and swear by it for their sore neck and their sore knee. So, yes, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Hemp CBD is going to be ten times or more the size of the legal Cannabis C Street walking around that conference last week. I could feel the energy and I'm just said to myself, another multi-billion dollar industry chicken out. Here it is.
Larry Mishkin: [00:18:18] And I'll tell you, it's going to come on line. It's going to take a little while. I was talking with you and with our producer Dan before the show started. Today was one of those days, really, you get a little victory in the big war. I have a client here in town who two weeks ago called me to let me know that two packages of CBD products had been sent to him so that he could sell here at his store in Chicago, been sent to him from Washington state, had been confiscated by U.P.S. at their distribution place here in Chicago. And it was ultimately confiscated by the Chicago Police Department. I spent the better part of two weeks on the phone with an officer from the Chicago Police Department and was an attorney from his legal department, sending them over all of the information on the 2018 farm bill. This is all legal. They called me back to say, sorry, counselor, you hadn't been straight with us. We tested it and it tested positive for THC. Of course it does, because it's industrial Hemp. So you can have 0.3%. Call me back with one other question. Apparently that it's some more testing. They called me yesterday and they said, drive on down here.
Larry Mishkin: [00:19:15] You can have the package. And I said, really drove down there today. The only thing they were concerned about was it was a 40 pound package. Would I be able to carry it out to my car? You guys are giving it to me. We'll find a way to get it out of the car. So the good news is we were able to get the product back for the client. The unfortunate part is, is the client was quick to point out was, you know, he didn't get his entire product back, but it cost him, you know, another two thousand dollars in legal fees. By the time we got done with everything to get it for him, which is true. And the only thing I could say in response to that is I've got people who pay a lot more than that to try to get product back. And they're not successful, though. Right. We didn't get anything back these days from the law enforcement. It's almost a tacit admission by them that they made a mistake. Although I will say I'm not here to bust the Chicago police. They were very professional about it and worked with me and we were able to get it resolved.
Jim Marty: [00:20:05] Now, that's great. Great stories.
Jim Marty: [00:20:08] So, yeah, a lot news all the way around, happy about that.
Larry Mishkin: [00:20:12] Well, tell us more about what's going on in Chicago and Illinois, because we're literally weeks away from the first legal adult news joint being sold.
Larry Mishkin: [00:20:20] Well, you're right and it's fascinating. There's been a lot of conferences in effect, this big, huge conference tomorrow sponsored by the Chicago Reader. I'm going to be doing a presentation at that about what to expect in 2020 with respect to Cannabis learn what's going on. It's going to be huge, but it's going to have problems. And the problems are going to be that we're just not going to have enough dispensaries on day one, that the medical dispensaries are out there currently doing the things that they need to do to get their dual use license for their current existing medical dispensary. And there was one additional dispensary, but the last time I checked, only about 10 of those licenses had been issued right now. So that's not a whole lot, I suspect, between now and January 1. You know, maybe we'll get another 20 or 30 who will get their act together and get it done. That's not going to be a whole lot of dispensaries for a state of this size. When we get to that point, part of the problem that some of these people have been having is that they're currently operating medical dispensaries in communities that have now voted to opt out of the adult use program. The big news is that these people who all these dispensaries and by law should be able to convert their existing dispensary into an adult use plus medical for now losing that opportunity, because where they're located, those communities, you can keep your medical open, but you can't convert it to adult use. Not in our community. And I'm suspecting that we're going to start seeing a lot of pushback on that very soon because people are losing out on a huge investment opportunity. You know, by having guys set up their medical shop and now being told that they own that they can't convert it over to a for, you know, to an adult use or profitable model.
Jim Marty: [00:22:05] Well, while you were talking, I have pictures in my head of lines around the block of people with big, heavy, warm counts in their breath to know condensation as they're standing there in line, stamping their feet.
Larry Mishkin: [00:22:17] Well, I think you're right, Jim. And, you know, it does get cold here in January. And there will be a lot of people who are going to go rushing out to get what they can get. And the dispensaries are aware of it. I I stopped by my medical dispensary last week. And the first three things that I asked for, they were all out. They told me flat out we're starting to conserve. And, you know, there's going to be cutbacks in what's available because we have to make sure we have enough product available on January 1. They're getting pushback from that because the medical patients are complaining and saying, hey, look, you can do whatever you want on the adult. You say, but there better be medical marijuana available for the people who really need the medical marijuana. So it's very, very interesting to see how all of this plays out. But, yes, I suspect for those of you outside of Chicago who turn out your TV is on January 2nd, you can almost bet that you will see some reporter out there freezing as well. A group of people singing songs and clapping their hands and jumping up and down to stay warm, waiting to get into an adult use dispensary.
Jim Marty: [00:23:16] Yes. Well, you know, look at Massachusetts. They've had their cultivation for adult use up for a couple of years. And to this day, you cannot buy the legal maximum, which I think is an ounce. The most you can buy is a quarter ounce, and they just limit you based on their own supply being so weak. A lot of places you can buy to lease and that's it. Even though the legal limits of land. So, yes, we've seen it before. Supply not keeping up with demand. Even in Colorado, we've seen price has been taking up from a year ago. Wholesale was about eight hundred dollars a pound and it's back to about eighteen hundred dollars a pound. The price of AIDS is now ticking up. But a lot of the bargains that you would see around Denver with 75 and $99 ounces at retail at the dispensary have now given way to where you bargain. Ounces are now more like 160. So now we're seeing the price up here in Colorado as well.
Larry Mishkin: [00:24:18] But but, you know, the bottom line is, is that everything is moving forward. People are getting their applications worked out and getting ready to turn them all in Dubai January 2nd at the latest. And then not going to get any easier, you know, for those of us helping everyone, because five days later on January 7th, the applications for the cultivation and processing are going to be issued. And we'll be David right into those.
Jim Marty: [00:24:44] Right. Yeah. And I think we've seen this quote unquote, V10 crisis kind of peak. And now that is rolling back some there hasn't been as much in the news. We had clients who were very, very worried about e-cigarette, damned completely. And that's given way to more just a ban on flavored tobacco. Yeah, sure. That's it.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:08] I agree with you and I think that it's like anything else, right? We always do the initial hysteria wave. And then when everybody sits down and takes a more measured look in approach to what's going on, they can step in and they can make changes right from afar. The easy answer seemed to be get rid of all of the flavored tobaccos. I'm not a fan of tobacco and I don't smoke it myself, but certainly there are a lot of people that do. A lot of people made the argument that, hey, I'm an adult and I enjoy smoking a flavored tobacco. Don't take that away from me just because you can't regulate what doesn't and doesn't get sold children. So it's it's going to be a very, very interesting thing to watch how that whole vaping issue plays out in a play out a little bit differently, I think, on the battle level than it is on the THC level.
Jim Marty: [00:25:51] Well, as they say, politics makes strange bedfellows on this issue. We've seen the marijuana industry and the backo industry seem to be in alignment and holding hands. Well, it's interesting that we'll play this could even be the final nudge the federal government makes, because now you're approaching half of all cannabis consumption, especially if you throw in CBD, probably even more being taken by peoples to e-cigarettes as opposed to smoking. TROWER As you've heard me say, unpassed. I guess I'm a big fan of reasonable regulation. People are putting these substances in their body. There should be some accountability as to what is in those pens. And, you know, I'd like to also get conclusive evidence that they actually caused these deaths. But I think that those answers right regulate. Maybe it will be the final nudge. The federal government say, look at this, we really need to get into this. Since we got tens and tens of millions of people vaping, then maybe we do have the federal government does have. So I think it was the end of their timeslot.
Larry Mishkin: [00:26:59] What else you got, boy? I think that that's about everything we thought we were talking about. The Grateful Dead, I suppose we should give them a belated a two days birthday shout out. What we did to Bob Waring's is pretty seventy-two and we've got moister had covered for today. I think we covered it all, Jim.
Jim Marty: [00:27:16] Yeah. So not sure what we'll talk about on the next show, but there's always plenty in the news for us to talk about. Yeah, but still floating around out there. Next week, I'll have a little bit more of a list of foodie bands where it's the first. Bonnaroo was very historic and I'll tell you some the of how I would go there. As soon as school got out, we'd head for Tennessee. Me and my then 14 year old who's now 31 and tell you some of the stories of how it was his idea to go and some of the adventures that we had there. We ended up going to the first eight Bonham's, I think, together. So I'll have to tell you, it was an activity and introduce the set back for eight years in my forties. I was a rock and roll photojournalist for our local paper. So for many years upon a real I would be getting a press pass. So I'll tell you more about that on the next show.
Larry Mishkin: [00:28:14] And the other thing that I'd like to throw out there for our listeners to think about is I know that you and I have been talking off to the side about some possible changes or expansion of the IRS and their use of fiction to 80. So if you're up for it, I'd like to dive into that in the next show as well.
Jim Marty: [00:28:31] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And for me in my world, that's not really big news. We're up to our eyeballs in all kinds of artists, not just federal, but state and local. So, yeah, I'll look forward to talking about that and some of the theory my from does too. We call it Twohey mitigation. I'll talk a little bit about that next week and maybe put a plug in for a class. I'm teaching unto ETG meditation.
Larry Mishkin: [00:28:56] Excellent. Very good work. Pleasure as always, Jim. Enjoy your weekend and have fun in Denver. All right. You too. Look forward to seeing you. Got it. Thanks, everybody.
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