Joy Beckerman hemp passion was ignited at a Grateful Dead concert in the '90s. She has gone on to become one of the industries leading advocate, President of the Hemp Industries Association and host of the Hemp Barons podcast. She joins Jim and Larry to talk about the Grateful Dead's influence on the movement.and how this amazing plant is changing the world. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/guests/jim-marty https://podconx.com/guests/rob-hunt
Joy Beckerman hemp passion was ignited at a Grateful Dead concert in the '90s. She has gone on to become one of the industries leading advocate, President of the Hemp Industries Association and host of the Hemp Barons podcast. She joins Larry Mishkin and Jim Marty, to talk about the Grateful Dead's influence on the movement.and how this amazing plant is changing the world.
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Jim Marty: [00:00:36] Hello and welcome to the Get Her Cannabis show, Jim Marty here from Denver, Colorado. Well, we're surviving a very cold snow storm. It's 10 degrees here and we get three or four inches of snow last night. Hard to believe it's still October. Larry, I got Larry in Michigan from Chicago. How you doing, Larry?
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:57] I'm doing just fine. Thank you. Yeah, we've got a little bit of snow here and we're supposed to get some. Why are we good? You're right. You blink your eyes. Summer's gone mild by.
Jim Marty: [00:01:07] Yeah, well we can talk about during the show today because the the cold weather has wreaked havoc on the outdoor Hemp crop this year. I can tell some stories about what happened to some of my former clients here in Colorado, but we're lucky enough to have a Hemp expert today. We had a joint decrement and she's involved with several organizations. I'm going to let her introduce herself and tell us about the organizations that she works with and works on and is part of Joy Beckerman. Welcome to the Deadhead Cannabis show.
Joy Beckerman: [00:01:38] It is such a pleasure to be here and on so many levels quarians. Thank you for having me. Sure.
Jim Marty: [00:01:47] So, Joy, go ahead and tell us about the organizations that you work with in the Hemp.
Joy Beckerman: [00:01:55] Certainly, I am a diehard, perpetual advocate of the point for some 30 years now and and started out, by the way, having the to Hemp store in the state of New York back in the early 90s, and then when that inaugural Hemp bill passed in Vermont in 1996, I was appointed to serve as secretary of the Vermont Hemp townsell and relocated there. So moving forward, I began a dual career and compliance and complex civil litigation along with Hemp as I raised my children and up to the present. I have a expert witness and legal consulting firm called Hemp International. I'm also very proud to be the part owner and senior advisor to Colorado Hemp Work, which is our nation's post prohibition Hemp grain processing facility located right in Longmont, Colorado, where you are, Jim. I'm also proud to be the regulatory officer in industry in town. For a look now, a Colorado Dave Hemp TBD has extract company with products in over 40 countries. And then on my pro-bono nonprofit organizations that I serve, which is actually where the bulk of my time goes. I'm the president of the Hemp Industry Association, founded in 1990 for our nation's most established Hemp Trade Association, currently serving over seventeen hundred members and growing every month, as well as vice president of the US Hemp A40, which created the first third party Independent Verify Certification Program for both in the Hemp Dietary Supplement, Food and Cosmetics. And finally, executive vice president to the U.S. Hemp Roundtable, which is a Fiber One people advocacy organization, doing some tremendous work at the federal level and then at state and local levels as well as confusion pops up in legislation and rulemaking looked at closely the processes a lot.
Jim Marty: [00:03:57] Well, it sounds like you're very busy with all that going on. And yes, I look forward to meeting up with you in person the next time you're in line.
Joy Beckerman: [00:04:05] Pretty excited about it. Didn't realize that's where you were based on what's happening in Longmont.
Joy Beckerman: [00:04:09] And what a great service you are providing these services that are out there and farmers are heroes. Are those farmers?
Jim Marty: [00:04:19] Right. Well, Hemp sort of came to us indirectly because we do a lot of tax returns for the high THC cousin of Hemp see THC based cannabis. And so that's what got us going in the cannabis world. Signing their tax returns and the hemp industry today just reminds me so much of where the marijuana industry was 10 years ago. You know, some of your older Hemp companies, for the most part, there are exceptions. For the most part, there are only two or three years old and they're still trying to find their way. They're trying to form their capital. They're trying to get their business plans up and running. And as I said, we've had some weather here in Colorado. So right now, as we sit here, there are Hemp plants laying in fields covered with snow that are that our farmer clients are hoping that they can get some value out of extracting them, but that's questionable. One of my clients, farmers, while the plants were laying in his field, the wind came up and just carried them away. He lost about half his crop to the wind. So, Larry, I think it's like one of our favorite bands says if the Thunder doesn't get you, that likely will, because they always told me that out there the snow didn't get it. It seems like the wind did. But good job as far as always.
Joy Beckerman: [00:05:41] Go, go. And then there's always the rain and snow. Hi. Hi. You know, I was.
Jim Marty: [00:05:56] I was just going to say, you have a very strong Grateful Dead connection to Hemp. Can you tell us about that?
Joy Beckerman: [00:06:04] Oh, indeed, indeed. And by the way, I was in Colorado and we had to do a photo shoot because there's a magazine, Hemp Progress magazine, doing an inaugural, an inaugural issue. And people were were harvesting so quickly because those freezes. The first reason the temperatures came, not last week, but the week prior, as you know. And oh, my goodness, fields that were available to me all of a sudden were not available for this photo shoot because the harvest was happening so quickly.
Joy Beckerman: [00:06:33] And I'm still hoping that those farmers are going to be able to salvage any Hemp that was left in the field that, you know, it really degrades to cannabinoids after multiple freezes and sitting in snow. But I hope for the best. And when we get that infrastructure for processing that stuff out of, that'd be excellent, too.
Joy Beckerman: [00:06:49] There's clearly some reading going on. Well, hardly. Grateful that the Grateful Dead has influenced my life in so many directions, but clearly my life purpose, my life's work. And I think I can safely say that as I'm about to turn 50 in January, it Hemp is the cannabis plant. And in particular and I was able to keep up with both movements for many, many moons.
Joy Beckerman: [00:07:12] I also sat on the national board of directors for normal as well. But a full court press all Hemp all the time 24/7 in my life. Now that we've moved forward so swiftly here on the federal level and I discovered Hemp and that show in 1990 at Buffalo, Massachusetts, actually in spring. And that was a few years after the first edition of The Emperor's New Clothes, which is a book that you gentlemen are no doubt.
Joy Beckerman: [00:07:40] And when the words written by Jack Kerouac Making Less Than He Does and edited by Chris Conrad, a mythic Cannabis activist who worked the day with his like Mishkin Law, is equally prolific archivist. And we didn't have the internet or let the word processing that. And there was Exacto tape and border tape, I should say, in Exacto knives and photocopying engines and and as yet so eloquently put it during his days on the planet with us here. You know, the government didn't just remove the Klan from our consciousness in our fields of awareness. They endeavored to remove all knowledge of the past from our consciousness and our field of awareness. And so, I mean, information from USDA records, from National Archives and within the germplasm. Right now, the USDA in the last couple months is giving five hundred thousand dollar grant. Cornell University. We have germplasm seeds in the dark, new and clean in California and Oregon knew that somewhere we had a very rich history of Hemp in the United States in the world. And I think that it must surely exist somewhere.
Joy Beckerman: [00:09:01] And they power our nation's archives and important information and publish textbooks. And in any event, this was a one page.
Joy Beckerman: [00:09:10] This excerpt from the book The Emperor's New Clothes that was handed to you at that Afrojack show that that spring in 1990 and that information affected me on a cellular level and basically changed the trajectory of my life awareness of it, because I thought that we there was no solution, that we were basically going to kill each other on the planet, but that we should practice peace, love and music on our way to utter destruction. And when I discovered that we had a death of a vehicle or a way to bring the world together on a planet areaand by austerity, soil ecology, metal and industrial level, as well as the spiritual level of the public health level.
Joy Beckerman: [00:09:55] And that is something that had criminalized that path that we've had to pass. And it was criminalized that sort of went a convergence of a sense of justice and planetary healing together in a way that that changed me forever at that show that day.
Larry Mishkin: [00:10:12] Wow. Interesting. What do did they open with
Joy Beckerman: [00:10:19] I got to get a for that one. I really only remember my very first show over a while and so many factors then that my very first lecture with three boys, it would say Dempsy, Hartford, Connecticut. And now, you know, and then did I love it, but I can't resist.
Joy Beckerman: [00:10:36] That was the fact that they said, OK.
Jim Marty: [00:10:42] One of my very first show, my second show was UMass Amherst. They played the football stadium for our spring concert, May 12th, 1979. Got to do it in a sentence. tarakan at the end of Saturday, they closed one Saturday night and I still have our student newspaper with all the pictures from that show.
Larry Mishkin: [00:11:08] Very cool.
Joy Beckerman: [00:11:10] And they really given out. And I was nine years old.
Jim Marty: [00:11:17] I don't experience this.
Larry Mishkin: [00:11:20] Well, you know, some things like that. No way you could. The Grateful Dead shows the ages. Is not really a factor. One of the things I like about it is being in my mid to late excuse. I can still go to get shows and get in company. And I'm far from the oldest person in the place and I'm far from the youngest person of the place. So I kind of liked the way I sit. Right? It's a bit older.
Jim Marty: [00:11:39] Yes, I agree with that. I'm in my 60s and I'm still enjoying station Grateful Dead shows very much.
Larry Mishkin: [00:11:47] There he joined the wanted to display its real character to go figure.
Jim Marty: [00:11:53] So this is all very interesting. Yeah, we don't think that, you know, Hemp has some of the same issues of marijuana that Larry would give in comments on that.
Larry Mishkin: [00:12:07] Well. Here's here's my question, joy. You know, somebody clearly has spent so much time in the Hemp field. I'm hoping that, you know, we can start to shed a little light on this. Why is it so difficult for people to comprehend exactly on what's going on with the 2018 farm bill and the fact that Hemp is legal? I mean, I'm sure you've heard the stories about tanker trucks with employees getting pulled over in Idaho. I had a client here in Illinois who had a part, a package confiscated by the Chicago Police Department that had been sent in from Washington State with about ten thousand dollars worth of products. We finally got it back. My client had a deal for a lot of cost. Attorney would expect to get it. But the conversations that I had, the Chicago Police Department with the Idaho State Police could come right out of the Twilight Zone. And it's just, you know, so strange that people to people we don't know what it is. We think it might be marijuana. It will be tested where we tested it to their case for THC. So you understand what the law says about THC and how much you. Nobody seems to know anything at all. What's your thoughts on that?
Joy Beckerman: [00:13:14] There's a variety of things going on. One in Idaho that wasn't Hemp Boyle. That was Rafael that, you know, that really screwed up. Hemp still has not been reaffirmed yet. At that time, Reagan was rightful owners of the loophole to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. And certainly on May 22, the general counsel to the United States Department of Agriculture was incredibly favorable legal opinion. Just on the effect of the time, though, in general and what that means for Hemp as an agricultural commodities and. The Idaho federal judge in that legal opinion as to, you know, completely violating the law, federal law in terms of there being no interference by the states or the tribes or the interstate transport of Hemp. But let's unpack Reagan a moment and then for a moment. You know what the two amendments to the Controlled Substances Act that took place in the 2016 farm and two things happen. And by the way, and then the result of that is what you're seeing is this this is the unfolding of the revolution where people are.
Joy Beckerman: [00:14:19] So it's almost like a Stockholm syndrome. There are folks, even in the movement that somehow it's not that they don't want to believe that we've been removed. They just can hardly wrap their heads around it. Yet here we are liberated in the Broadway today with all of America's other agricultural commodities. Now, now we're defined. We, meaning Hemp, are defined in the Agricultural Marketing Act of 1946, which is where all agricultural commodities must be defined in the same way that all controlled substances must be defined in the Controlled Substances Act of 1970. I'm packing up for a second. The definition of marijuana. We have suffered with that definition since 1937 because it was actually defined in the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act. And the Nixon administration in 1970 didn't do a thing to alter that definition, not a single piece of punctuation or a word or an indefinite article. They simply adopted it wholesale co-opted into the 1970s Controlled Substances Act. Now, in the 2008 campaign, though, they amended the Controlled Substances Act and this was enacted on January 1 of 2019. I knew a lot of credit during continuing legal education seminars. Generally, I unless the token Hemp credit amongst the other eight marijuana credit in Goulard seminars and I'm often the first one. After a wonderful marijuana US attorney have presented.
Joy Beckerman: [00:15:51] I know one thing he does anybody know or realize that the definition marijuana was amended on January 1, 2009 for the first time in 11 years, and no one had told them that yet. But that is happened and it was amended so that now there's a section A and B, we didn't need to have a section and D. And so now there's a B.S. Such term does not include. And now instead of going right into the Majora's stocks of plant. Now it says that term does not include Hemp as defined by the agricultural marketing as defined in Section 297. So we were removed in that sense. And on top of that. And by the way, the USDA general counsel even opined in that 9:28 legal opinion saying, you know, if you're reading, as some folks say, that there needs to be another act of legislation in order for it to be removed. No, there active legislation. Happened in the 2000 Mishkin Farm Bill amended the Controlled Substances Act. Another thing. Does it need to happen for that to occur? Another day? What? It doesn't. It isn't really amended until 8 somehow magically posted on their Web site. And the USDA general counsel addresses that head on and says, actually, the Controlled Substances Act doesn't require the EPA to update its website.
Joy Beckerman: [00:17:11] It says that they have a duty to update periodically and every six months or so, as the BATF said, they go ahead and do that. But it's not it doesn't mean that it's not official. And so the DEA updates something on their website. It was enacted on January 1, 2009. The Law of the frickin land. And so the last piece that I will sort of unfold for you here is that it did some work that was surprising. And a lot of people didn't realize this was a joke. You have these legal opinions came out. It also amended tetrahydrocannabinol in the Controlled Substances Act. So it would be in the list just with this word under marijuana. And all of these things you said were one where you get to the keys, it said tetrahydrocannabinol period, just the word. Now it says tetrahydrocannabinol except tetrahydrocannabinol derived from Hemp as defined in fifty to ninety seven day of the Controlled Substances Act, which would lead you then with this confiscation to really question one mind for the love of God. So it tested positive for THC. That's part of the problem, is that they're doing sort of roadside tests. If there's anything it seemed that was going to test positive, it's not going to say how much.
Joy Beckerman: [00:18:24] But even THC derived from Hemp had been removed from the Controlled Substances Act. And I will wrap it up by saying Senator Mitch McConnell and as I often say on my Hemp Barons show and as I speak throughout the country, you may have 99 problems with Mitch McConnell, but Hemp is one, you know, has recognized that this is a massive problem with law enforcement, with boots on the ground thing. You really expect us to tell the difference? How are we going to tell the difference and test and methodology? I was using analytical methods all over the map.
Joy Beckerman: [00:18:57] So in an appropriation bill, McConnell, it hasn't passed yet that the bill that's making its way through that stuff is making progressive of legislation that's at the federal level, but is directing the team to come up with a farecompare that boots on the ground, law enforcement and other officials, whether it's state, local or municipal on some level. PAN How is this Hemp or is this marijuana? Because we're going to be having others. And and it's also great because enforcing sort of the feds to really start to move forward with the legalization of marijuana because it's going to be a pathway to liberate this plant and move forward.
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Jim Marty: [00:20:23] Because I think that you mentioned joint all Hemp products at some low level THC in them rich.
Joy Beckerman: [00:20:34] Not all of them, but certainly some of them.
Joy Beckerman: [00:20:37] And when we get into the extract. that's where we're really starting to talk about it.
Joy Beckerman: [00:20:40] Certainly fiber and grain varieties, we have certified pedigree seen around the world and we need to bring our own American Scarrow into these unique, distinct, stable varieties that become a part of agriculture to have certified pedigree. We don't just grow plants and then hope somebody is going to buy whatever the heck they might have. The soil as a manufacturer generally and a farmer are generally going to be in a contract prior to the seeds being put in the ground. And it isn't because you're guessing about what's going to come up when it comes to fiber, when it comes to grain. It's very specific varieties that, again, are stable and that are going to produce the desired nutritional profile. Again, if we're talking about that nutrient dense to perhaps food products with a specific coaching content to the size of the seed Pacific Omega 3 to 6 ratio. All of those things. So we don't have that No. 4. And the maturity is very, very far down in those plants. And the seed itself is not a consistent. Nor is the mature stock. The only crime that would happen is a trichomes or Rezende that adds here to the profit of the stock. But that all comes out in profits and survivor and trichomes a regime that adheres to the surface of the Cannabis siege.
Joy Beckerman: [00:22:05] And having said that, we generally do hold the keys, so we take the shell off and then market or move forward with that. White was. In the beginning. But anyway, very low, low levels. Lots of products have absolutely no teeth in them whatsoever. Certainly CBB, which is helping to drive awareness of all of the many uses of Hemp and which is driving the revenue to really create an infrastructure to process with other more valuable parts of the plant. No, not necessarily more able to public health, but more valuable to industry. We have trillion dollar industry here outside of of extract, which is where we are running into these two issues. The presence that we have, those still not greater than 0.3 percent, which is a legal limit, but those other trillion dollar industry, you know, food, human and animal food, body care, paper, textiles, building materials, bio conflicted bioplastics and just the appearance of coding, energy storage, fuel, nanotechnology, biomedical applications. I mean, Cannabis of all of humanity. Me and Hemp certainly does that. But the abstract is where there's an issue. In fact, a lot going on and other industry leaders in history and Hemp that states have begun to add to their labels. You know, this means this product meets the federal requirements for Hemp.
Joy Beckerman: [00:23:31] However, consumption be slashed by some drugs because it's important for folks to know who are taking full spectrum Hemp x that product and who have come to rely on them for any number of symptoms, temporary or otherwise, in their lives. If they are given with a custody battle or, you know, probation, parole type situations or employment issues, they do need to be made aware that again, because the presence of P C have positives, that it's possible that even though they have very, very low, basically hardly detectable limits to the amount in their systems, it could in fact test positive for THC. Really the key. We all need to get over it. You know what we're dealing with going from the theatrical prohibition into truth and common sense. And this is another world that we're dealing with right now. This is how human unconsciousness and revolutions unfold. And so, you know, the next step here is to get everybody OK with S.A.C., which has been so demonized and yet it is arguably renos valuable. And by that I mean extensive medical benefit and psychological benefit compounding plant that's been more research intensive prep. We've definitely been putting a damper on research for the last 18 years, but we're getting there. The plant is re-emerging in a big way.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:02] Well, I, which is your shirt is really not only right on the mark.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:06] Very important for people to know and understand it. Know one thing I want to make sure that the people know up there is the important role that HIV played a couple of years ago. LT wouldn't be a slip in with your proposed rules for Hemp and for offshore extraction. It certainly looked like they were trying to figure out a way to close the loophole by saying that somehow it was a controlled substance. And I know that the HAARP locked away in a legal action brought to the 9th Circuit actually by the whole department. Maybe you could tell us about that a little bit. Is it really? I think it really. If there's a direct line between that court ruling and the $2085.
Joy Beckerman: [00:25:48] No, indeed. And thank you so much for bringing it up and what Heroes Hoban law. group is to have taken that case on. And Ann Patchett, again, who is also a counsel. He's based in San Francisco.
Joy Beckerman: [00:26:02] He's also a counselor with us. Yeah. Yes. So he was a counselor and a part of that legal team with Bob Hope and Derek Grass and peace in mind. That was very important to the ACA because Patrick had then our litigator since the early 2000s. And so to see him align himself with Hoban law. as of this is fantastic.
Joy Beckerman: [00:26:22] This is just Hoban law. era in this space with actually on many levels in all unwinable for people different from the whole thing group.
Joy Beckerman: [00:26:31] All three people who you just mentioned, Bob Hope and Garrett Graphic Patrick jargons, I suspect knows much about Hemp to you and the group, maybe just to make it straight as anybody else in the country. And you're right, they have a long history of working in defending their Hemp rights and they're doing it a short really worked out to be a good competition because you guys are ultimately all good for the underlying result was tossed out on a procedural technicality. You got some good Cannabis from the Ninth Circuit to really establish the legitimacy of industrial Hemp.
Joy Beckerman: [00:27:04] Yes. And and I will. And that was in fact the name of the 2014 Farm Bill amendment, was the legitimacy given the field of research. So I let you set that up. So I just want to want to just elaborate on that for a moment and say going back to Patrick and the NCAA and our legacy history of taking on the DEA in October of 2000. And one gentleman, the we have started to gain a little bit of traction here in the United States with a hemp seed oil industry. So in 1997, Dr. Bronner's, David and Michael Bronner inherited Dr. Bronner's. So they graduated, respectively, from Harvard and Yale, began to add, have seed oil into their cells in California, New Kybosh, a hemp seed company. And now they also the tsd and various other products. And now even exact, they had started to gain traction. And so the DEA sees this happening in 2001. And I'm a clear blue sky. On October 7th of that year, they put forth this interim rule to make sterilize testees and cold press Hemp need oil meant as human consumption to be Schedule 1 controlled substances and Silver Asai A immediately re-asked it along with some of these other named plaintiffs. And I've got to get it out there because I think it's so fantastic that the corporate name for Dr. Gardner stope isn't actually Dr. Bonheur. So they DEA. Dr. Bonheur so they do business in sector partners.
Joy Beckerman: [00:28:39] Every other corporate name is all one godsakes in this matter with Hemp Industry Association, all one godsakes Newquay that Ruth Hemp Foods, Ohio Hembree and a few other plaintiffs vs. the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. And that was before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. We won twice because essentially they came. They didn't they couldn't take no or yours, you know, denied all the answers. So the DEA came back again and we have what we call Hemp 1 and Hemp to our orders in 2003 and 2004. That was the circuit. Those judges saying, no, these these architects of the definition of marijuana understood that there was at least some THC trace non-detectable amounts in these parts of the plant. And yet they made exceptions for them. They made an exception for the exception. So even the sterilized easier and the mature stocking up in our Krier definition that we were suffering under did also say in a parent's medical except the resons their pot. So they made it clear that you couldn't you couldn't accept the resin from them. Some the mature stuff and you couldn't get the resin from the brass plant material around the seeds that you could access to sterilize seeds and you could access to stop. And a side note, I don't want to go on too many tangents here, but side no member. I told you at the beginning of the show that the definition from the 1970 marijuana tax that was 1937 Marijuana Tax Act was adopted in 1970.
Joy Beckerman: [00:30:14] So I understand the sophistication of the architects of that definition of marijuana. Way back in 1937, they knew that the goodies were in the Rezulin, that the goodies were in the icon. They knew that the goodies were the cannabinoids. And they wrote the definition to make that clear, whether you were looking at marijuana, whether you were looking at this section for Hemp, the regens were off limits. So in any of that, we won those cases. And Patrick represented us in those cases. Then in December 2016, some. And a half years after the final come 2014, yet signed by the Obama administration, we've got multiple acres. Thousands of acres growing in the United States in 2016. Just under 10000 acres that year in our country and out of a clear blue sky. The DEA finalizes the amount of marijuana, etc. We can then in a proposed date since July of 2011. And in fact, that was one of the legal arguments that they're hoping did such a tremendous job. Both both in case law and in arguing it only ended riding there. There is case law that a proposal can't in some eminent place for five years. But, you know, just fascinating stuff in the end. True. We lost the marijuana extract case in terms of the petition because we hadn't filed a public comment way back in 2011 when it was imposed rules far before the 2014 farm bill, which created a definition perhaps for the first time in U.S.
Joy Beckerman: [00:31:51] history and distinguish it from marijuana. And I'll use a Bob Hope in term end created a seismic shift in Cannabis policy throughout the United States. I borrow that term from him all the time. But due to that amicus brief and a wonderful activist and Hemp extract company T and ex botanicals out of Sparks, Nevada. That was incredible. Man. Mike. With his own money. He's got some. Actually, I can't say that some other large companies I should die are probably seasoned. Scientists donated five thousand each year or so to help get this amicus brief written amicus being Latin for friend of the court. Well, we had twenty nine federal legislators who helped draft and support the 2014 tender, actually filed a brief on behalf of the HIV and plaintiffs in that marijuana extract matter and said he is abusing their authority. The DEA is implementing the law and the exact opposite manner than it was legislatively intended to be. We intended for all parts of the plant resins to extract derivative flowering crops and leave all of it to be liberated and could not be subject to the Controlled Substances Act. And and in fact, the justices did listen for that. And on page four of this memorandum, they didn't want to make it a policy opinion.
Joy Beckerman: [00:33:17] But on page 4 of the memorandum that the justices filed. They said that essentially the marijuana extract rule does not violate the V Act, meaning the farm bill because of the language in the farm bill that says notwithstanding the Controlled Substances Act, which those legislative heroes and heroines said was intentional. And so essentially for the listener, we've got these three beautiful branches of government. We've really been a tremendous country, despite everything you see on the news all day. And despite the tearing down and degradation at Hemp of the culture and this incredible fiber that we're seeing with the Trump administration, we have a wonderful system here. And we have a legislative branch. We have an executive branch and we have a judicial branch. And when it came to the 2014 farm bill, that was the legislative branch putting forth their intent. Then we had the DEA now and we have a mirror. But for those four and a half crazy years, they certainly were not. They are the executive branch. They're then tasked with implementing the law. And when we when it became the feds versus the feds, which is essentially what we were dealing with, the legislative branch versus the executive branch, it then took the stakeholders, the ACA and plaintiffs, to bring it before the judicial branch to work it out and hold the moderates. And that's such a beautiful way. Crash.
Larry Mishkin: [00:34:41] Well, good. Thank you. Yeah, that's that's a wonderful recap of what all it was a very big moment tonight. And I think you've covered all really well. You've kind of pointed out some of those issues, right? I mean, look, I don't have anything personally against the be here for a couple of weeks. But certainly, you know, they've gone so far afield that it was necessary for Congress to come into town to a separate piece of legislation where, if I could, part of the record here and tell them what our guys, you you running around doing it and interfering with all of these legitimate programs. But maybe we'll give a little bit of a debt of gratitude here, because as a result of their overreach, they help us establish this important point of what was very good.
Jim Marty: [00:35:24] Yeah, that's really interesting. I've learned a lot on this phone call and it does seem that we don't know what we have here. And we're just still unwrapping all this all these changes and trying to figure out what they mean. Well, I see we're coming to the end of our time slot. Joy, thank you very much. That was very enlightening. So, Joy, do you like getting company to get to Jan and company shows you get submissions?
Joy Beckerman: [00:35:53] Not as many dead in terms of themselves as I would like to. I of course, when they when they first we and we have fare thee well saw and so on and so forth. I got to all of those that I have to say, as much as I miss the boys and I miss the community, Hemp Hemp is really full court press and I just travel all the time. Wow. So unfortunately that the news and the revolution are for the first time in my life in the last year or so. Quitting is the main priority with you to be aware of the detrimental tohappen. I'm going for that challenge. And now Hemp. It is critical that I do law. I'm thrilled to live in upstate New York again, where we have kind of dead cover this. Believe it or not, in Seattle, Stitcher, when you heard the Pacific Northwest is not replete with red pepper and that New York is full of them. So I at least get my community and my old friends that I used to tour with, they're still here. It's still good to see them and say, yeah, I have a choice.
Jim Marty: [00:36:53] A lot of fun. There's so many Grateful Dead tribute bands. We call them that. They actually have the Grateful Dead Tribute Band Festival's.
Larry Mishkin: [00:37:03] True. Nevertheless.
Larry Mishkin: [00:37:07] It's a lot of fun, Joy. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Larry Mishkin: [00:37:10] Really, really fascinating information and presented on a level that I think people really need to hear because we have the Hoban law. reduce you. This is a continuing problem where people just don't understand the law. They don't know what rights they have. The police don't know what rights to enforce or not enforce. And it's groups like yours and the efforts that you make to help educate the public and eventually get to where we need to be.
Joy Beckerman: [00:37:34] Shared responsibility. Thank you for doing it with us. And thank you for the great job you gentlemen do on the show. So much fun. Thanks for having me.
Jim Marty: [00:37:43] VeryOK. Well, for all of us at the Grateful Dead Cannabis show over and out and we'll talk to get to.
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