James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith founders of Sana Packaging and huge Dead fans join Jim & Larry. They share their favorite Dead and Phish stories including a funny review of the Phish MSG concert. They also talk about how Sana Packaging uses reclaimed ocean plastic and how they're providing the packaging for Micky Hart's "Mind Your Head" brand. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/james-eichner https://podconx.com/guests/ron-basak-smith https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/guests/jim-marty https://podconx.com/guests/rob-hunt
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith founders of Sana Packaging and huge Dead fans join Jim Marty and Larry Mishkin. They share their favorite Dead and Phish stories including a funny review of the Phish MSG concert. They also talk about how Sana Packaging uses reclaimed ocean plastic and how they're providing the packaging for Micky Hart's "Mind Your Head" brand.
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Jim Marty: [00:00:39] With your Jim Marty here from the Dead had Cannabis show. I have my partner in crime,Mishkin, up in Chicago. How you doing, Larry?
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:48] I'm doing just fine. We finally got winter here over the last 24 hours. We got ourselves about six good inches of snow. And just where we were beginning to wonder if we were ever going to get it. It came with a vengeance.
Jim Marty: [00:00:59] Yes, I saw that on the news that the Midwest was getting hit with a snow storm.
Larry Mishkin: [00:01:03] The step took a while, but here we are. It's winter in Chicago.
Jim Marty: [00:01:07] Excellent. Well, we're lucky enough to have James Eichner and Ron Basak-Smith and there from the great company called Santa Packaging. And so today we're going to hear about our overlap of love of Grateful Dead and Fisher music along with sustainable business models. And James and Ron, go ahead and say hello.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:01:35] Hey, guys. James here. I'm really excited to be on the show and really looking forward to talking about some of our favorite things to get right here as well.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:01:48] And the percent echo that. Let's talk in the Grateful Dead Fish business. It's more fun than that. Excellent.
Jim Marty: [00:01:54] So let's start with a little bit of Grateful Dead and Fish. If you want to share with us our fans, who is a Deadhead Cannabis show, I've heard a lot about Larry ani's experience with the Grateful Dead and Dead and Company and Fish. But I don't share some of your experiences because like many people who are big fans of the Grateful Dead, you are maybe even too young to see any shows while Jerry was alive. Got it. Fill us in on your history and background, how you came to be Big Fish and Grateful Dead fans.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:02:27] Yeah. So go ahead and start us off here.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:02:31] The first time I heard the Grateful Dead was when I was sick of all my current music and went looking through my dad's record collection and he gave me a Europe of 72 to listen to. And I was about 14 at the time. And it's been a love affair ever since. And then as far as fish goes, I started getting into fish shortly after that. However, I grew up in Switzerland, so I wasn't able to catch any pre hiatus shows. And when they came back in 2009, I was living in the states at that point. So then seeing as many shows as possible since then and probably somewhere in the 60 show range with fish. And then yeah, I'm not lucky enough to have seen Jerry. But of course, you know, many, many incarnations of Grateful Dead bands, including further Ratdog that Nico and Billy and the Kids and few others.
Larry Mishkin: [00:03:41] Well, that's great. And first of all, like I said before, what a great dad you have. That's what any good father should do with their kids. Well, they want to know about music. And I love I love that he turned you on to Europe 72. My introduction was more through Working Man's Dad and American Beauty, which was great way to do it. But for me, Europe seventy-two kind of brought it all together because that was the first time I'd ever heard the dead play live. It was amazed at how different it sounded like before I saw them in concert, how based, how different it sounded live. Same song that it did on the on the album. And then I went out and saw him a few times and came back and put Europe seventy two back countries at the time. It was really the only life that music that I knew about. And it really confirmed that, wow, this is really special what they do. And my love affair with Europe 72 went on to the point where a few years ago, the dead released a box set with every show from Europe 72 tour. And it is without a doubt, my favorite box set that they've ever released. It's one that I listened to continuously at it. It's my opinion. It's kind of unique because it gives you that rare opportunity to hear. Bobby, you're playing certain songs like Playing in the band and some of those others he was just brand new with. And over the course of that tour, he develops them into the songs that we all recognize today that you have 70 to have that complete set.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:05:13] He was lucky. A friend gave that to me a few years back. And this is good stuff on that.
Larry Mishkin: [00:05:19] That's a lot of fun.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:05:20] Can I jump into my early days of the debt to get sorry? So I was born in eighty nine. My parents had me while they were still in college. And they were they opened up a. Is in Ithaca, New York, and Salem South, they themselves were not Deadheads at the time and but many of their employees were. And so. I just have very early memories of life during during those songs. And then I first show my parents their employees. I guess one point in time felt that they needed to go to a show. And so they bought them tickets to Buffalo 93 and they took me. I have no memory, but I think it finally had some impact on me in some way or another. My dad says it was a terrible show, but, you know, it was so they didn't they never really continue to go. Seeing that shows at that point in time. But, you know, life went on. And for some reason in high school, I was walking down a city aisle and so Grateful Dead City. You know, kind of just browsing. Turned out very recognizable songs as I grabbed this thing. There's the great, great asset's classic, you know, gets on there. And just kind of at that point on, it's pretty stuck to it.
Larry Mishkin: [00:06:52] But I don't want to say that that makes me feel old. But I was going to sue the dead in the late 80s and early 90s, and we always used to see people there with their little kids. So you were probably one of them? Yes. And we'd say that's credit for it. Parents take their kids to the shows. One other thing I have to throw when you grew up in Ithaca. Difficult for me in my early years was the centerpiece of my Grateful Dead existence. My best friend and the guy who turned me on to the data followed Mike Miller from Minneapolis, went to the cryptology, and we were all in Ann Arbor and we used to drive to visit him at this college. And from there it was like the jumping off where you could see the dead in Rochester, Binghamton, Syracuse. And because, you know, you could catch like four or five dead shows in four or five days without ever having to drive very far in any one direction. And it was amazing. We used to love to go there and hang out at difficult. It peaks at the names and then go see the grateful that I actually had.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:07:46] I went to college. I had to I didn't I didn't grow up there. I moved to when I was like four or five. But I knew that was a good place to catch shows.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:07:55] That's where I went to school. And then I think it was sophomore year when they when they played Barton Hall, where they played by half. It's like that's just not good. Town Hall. That's the scene of the greatest show of all time. All right.
Jim Marty: [00:08:11] One of our family stories is our older son who's Buddy James and Ron's age is 31. He lost his first tooth at a Grateful Dead concert in Las Vegas.
Jim Marty: [00:08:24] I believe it was 93.
Jim Marty: [00:08:26] And, you know, in the darkness and the confusion of a show, he really lost his first 2 5, 6 years old and he immediately lost it. And on the verge of tears, one of the ladies who was with us picked up a kernel of popcorn and said, no, here it is. Here it is. And so that night in our other we we put that kernel of popcorn under his pillow. So that's a famous Maadi family story that we want to know when everyone gets together. But I want to send this conversation in a slightly different direction, because the four of us actually are on the same page where we both are fans of both the Grateful Dead and Fish. And that's not a universally true statement. Many people who wrote The Grateful Dead have no interest in fish and vice versa. And I wonder if Ryan and James, as as good representatives as they are of the millennial generation, if they have any comments on that. And what do you see in your friends? Do you get them into Fish and the Grateful Dead or do they like one and not the other? What are your comments, gentlemen?
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:09:34] I think amongst my friend Gates, there is definitely I don't know. Everyone seems like both. It's hard to make this point in time and separate the two. I think for us, as you know, in our age group, the fact that Stitcher is still playing live shows is a huge impact in the whole thing. You know, the live experiences, it's hard to beat that. But I I get buddy is you're at G.D. safety. And that was a funny combination for us because there is such that of that stress between some fans and a dad impression. Yeah, I but it's going to be at one point during a relatively Stitcher sounding section of the show. He's like, look at all these Deadheads dancing the session, love and trade. And I just thought that was a great moment in time. And it was. Yeah, they they go together quite well. Well you know, they're very different, but there differences makes them feeling at different times and different moments in life.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:10:30] Yeah, it's funny. Everyone's musical taste is different. But I'm I'm always amused by the jam band rivalries and how at its first of all, you know, it's all subjective. So people like what they like. But it is it is really funny just witnessing how end to it. You know, people get over the differences between them and which is better. And you know that the truth is in my mind that there's a big overarching things that they haven't and that are more from that community perspective. You know, obviously, musically, they're, you know, night and day from each other. You know, there is an influence, but it's really it's it's I think the reason I like both of them so much is because of the similar community that they foster.
Larry Mishkin: [00:11:20] That's exactly what I was going to say as an old guy. My impression is that the younger people really liked both bands a lot. When you slipped back to my generation and Jim the generation. I think that's where you see not quite as many people with the overlap. A lot of guys I know, you know, we all grew up watching millions of dead shows and fish was out there, but we were so committed, so schedules into going to one of the bands that we just didn't feel like we had the band with necessarily to take on another one. And quite frankly, for me, took a few years after jury stuff before I finally went to my first show. And like you just said, the amazing thing to me was to get there and then to discover that the sense of community and the crowd was was so much the same as the dead in terms of the way they acted and cared and respected one another and loved their music. And that's really what pulled me into Phish was, you know, kind of being able to find another community like that that I really felt comfortable with. I really enjoyed going to a show with. And, you know, it was almost like the music with Phish came second for me after I found a place where I really like to go.
Jim Marty: [00:12:27] And they both have shaped down street.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:12:30] Yes. Did you.
Jim Marty: [00:12:32] Very important to people listening to this who don't know. Shakedown Street, in addition to being a Grateful Dead song, is also what we call the bending, the impromptu, sometimes black market bending that goes on outside the shows with the tailgating. And so they both have a strong shakedown street where you can buy T-shirts and all kinds of crazy things out in the parking lot.
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Jim Marty: [00:13:45] shifted over to business, and because you guys have a heck of a business that you started and as an accountant for the Cannabis industry, I'm very interested to hear about, number one, how you got started because capital for Cannabis Cannabis related business is scarce. And also remember to the sustainability because like I said, as an accountant, I see a lot of the byproducts and the waste that is generated by the Cannabis industry. You know, growing Cannabis does create a lot of waste of creates waste water. It creates a lot of empty plastic pockets and other items that are used up in the process create things that go to the landfill. So I'm going to turn it over to James and Ron and tell us a little bit about the history of your business and how the sustainability model is working.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:14:36] I like the transition from. Shape that shape to get into the business talks. I think, you know, at its core, James and I had made many walks down, shakedown and just the understanding of how that business model works.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:14:52] And, you know, I think there's a lot of parallels to the way we want to incorporate our business and build that community around sustainability. And yet Cannabis being a new industry really gives us that opportunity. So the history of our business, James and I were in grad school together at Seiyu Boulder. Both had been in Colorado since legalization and really saw the amount of candidates waste that was being created. We felt that there is a better way to do it. We were fortunate enough to Dena. a class project together where we were kind of able to develop the initial foundations of the business. And then going into our second semester of school or second semester of our last year of school, Kenedy Boulder Cannabis focused business Accelerator was doing was launching a cohort. And so we were lucky enough to be accepted into that cohort during our final semester of school. And that was actually initial seed funding for the business. We are very early on realized that to do what we wanted to do and get this business off the ground is going to take a good amount of capital. And so we just kind of the stars aligned for us where we were finishing up school, had some initial seed funding, and we're able to really focus 100 percent on getting this business off the ground. And I can. But James died into kind of the philosophy behind what we're trying to accomplish with with sonna.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:16:17] Yeah. Now, one other thing I'll touch on related to the accelerator. As you know, accelerators are a great opportunity for people, but it's always, you know, based on whether it's going to be a good fit for you and your team. And Ron and I were two guys that had an idea and we had no time and no money to work on that idea. And really, what the accelerator provided us with was that time and money, as well as a network of individuals that we could begin to tap into as resources, both financially, but also from a mentorship and partnership perspective. So that really, as you know, without Canopy Boulder, Ron and I would have never really had that opportunity to dedicate the time and money necessary to sign a package and actually get it off the ground and then come out. So it's offical perspective. What we're trying to do is create Cannabis packaging for circular economy. And the way we define a circular economy is, you know, there's three main tellers to it. And one is designing out waste and pollution. The second pillar is keeping materials in use for as long as possible. And then the third pillar is doing our best to regenerate natural systems along the way.
Larry Mishkin: [00:17:39] I think that's great what you guys are doing. I love the plant. I loved the IPO. And what I really love about it is this. First of all, you're here. I love this idea of a circle, right? The packaging is made out of Cannabis told Cannabis that you're using it. But more than that, you know which your idea does, is it? You'll look, we've we've gotten to the Cannabis worlds. And one of the things I hear everybody saying, it's pretty good news with the bad news. Right. If you're going to be in business, then you're in business really with the world like any other business out there. And that's true. But I still think of the Cannabis industry as being different because it's Cannabis. And whether it's right or not, I still have to keep our short, full circle associate Cannabis with my Grateful Dead and Phish experiences and things like that. These were the experiences that really taught me to appreciate things more like our environments and being conscious and socially aware of things. But the idea that you guys within the Cannabis industry were taking these ideas and applying them so it's not just useful and helpful for the industry that's sustainable and it's good. The world and it's good for the environment. I think, you know, really kind of helps draw this circle for people who are just brand new to the industry and coming in to show that, hey, there's more to Cannabis than just smoking and enjoying it. There is this whole lifestyle of this whole view that says it's our planet. We've got to take care of it and we're going to do to this industry.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:18:59] Yeah, James and I always talk about it in the sense that we feel, you know, the mentality of the Grateful Dead and fresh in the sense, you know, break the rules. There are no rules. It's possible.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:19:11] And that's really true in the Cannabis space and in a new industry.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:19:14] And you just really feel that way about packaging in the sense that we can really use the nature of the industry and the fact, you know, that it sets state lines under-regulated and overregulated in many senses to create a new framework for packaging and hopefully know show that we can you can do things a different sisal, packaging, spiteful marketing.
Larry Mishkin: [00:19:37] I think it's great.
Jim Marty: [00:19:38] Tell us about some of your products and what they're made of.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:19:41] Yes. You know, our material take in our products. We really have two philosophies here. First one plant base line is what we launched with. It's 100 percent plant based bio Hemp bio composite. And the whole idea here is really looking at the world of bioplastics and saying, you know, really there's kind of one elephant in the room being corn, corn, plastic, vla. And the idea there is that the idea is great. But really in practice there's a lot of problems with the industrial corn industry and just how how that whole supply chain is built right now. And so, you know, we obviously want to see how it can be disrupted, their moves much away from that material as possible. But, you know, understanding that that's really what we have to work with. Are a lot of these products right now. And so the idea becoming to use Hemp as a viable feedstock. You know, we started Xanax. Hemp was just just kind of entering into legalization. And so that was the whole idea that we could have this this plant that we can really use to create bio bioplastics and bio composites. And we know that there's an industry who wants these materials. And so we really start getting getting that product to market. That was really our goal. We wanted to be sure that you could use him as a feedstock to make a bio composite and then, you know, make it meet all the regulations that the industry requires. The second idea here is that we also in the world are packaging as many, many product types that we're potentially packaging. You know, it concentrates vape pens, edibles, beverages, et cetera.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:21:13] And so, you know, we know there's gonna be more material types needed. Hemp is very early on in its development. And so for us to run a viable business and really meet the needs of our customers, we need to use other other materials. And, you know, traditionally a lot of packaging folks are using mostly virgin material. We want to take on that producer responsibility and transition away from using versus material and creating single use plastics. You know, the idea here is that recycling is great. You should continue to do it. But if we do not actually manufacture and work around some of the difficulties with recycled materials that we're currently experiencing, well, then you shouldn't do that system, right? Like if we're under 10 percent reproduction of recycled goods, then, you know, every year more than 90 percent of the materials produced are not getting recycled plastics. You know, that's that's just not acceptable. So what can we do to change that? We know that there's a abundance of non virgin materials available on Earth. And so for us, that's just kind of a tenet of our business. We want to always try to incorporate as much non virgin material as possible into our business model and into our products so that we can basically make the systems work. You know, that's what we really want. We want to say, how can we make preexisting systems that are out there? We know that there's problems with them. You know, they're not accounting for many of the negative externalities. Let's start from the ground up with a business and the model that you're creating so that these negative externalities are lessened.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:22:48] I think that's where our reclaim notion plastic line comes in. And I think that products from the U.S., it's very easy to understand. We have a abundance of arsenic out in the ocean waste and we can use that material to make usable gets. And, you know, we really as a business want to focus on the fact that the materials aren't necessarily the problem. The problem is that waste system and the fact that these materials make it out into the environment, make it to the ocean and questioning why that's happening. What can we do to change that, bringing awareness to it? These are all really important to the whole whole idea and our business.
Jim Marty: [00:23:27] It's interesting that you bring up Hemp because it seems that that industry. It reminds me so much of where the marijuana industry was 10 years ago, where it's basically two or three. Harvest's is what we have under our belts since the 2014 Farm Act and now the 2018 Farm Act has Casely make low THC Hemp legal A can be transported across state lines and there is so many uses for it.
Jim Marty: [00:23:57] That's the size of the hemp industry, I think very quickly will dwarf the smokable I-Team seed industry. Did James or Rhonda ever comment on that?
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:24:08] Yeah. You know, I think there's definitely the whole non smokeable side of side of things, industrial side of Hemp.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:24:16] I think just the opportunity there is is massive. The biggest thing and you know, we we experience it every day and our business is that these things take time.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:24:27] You know, everyone Hemp is legal and people expect that products are going to be there and it's easy to happen. But when you look at kind of the history of any any product, any trucks, you know, there's a whole development at the genetics and the processing commoditization and then the ability to manufacture it becomes a huge, huge factor in where are these are the players and the manufacturers that are in to work with the Stitcher material, the variations and the difficulties really in using a new material and the variances that everyone knows happens when cultivating any Cannabis product.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:02] Well, what I like about this is that we're you know, it's kind of like a spillers or a dead has 3v3 sitting around during space thinking about things. Right. You come to the conclusion, hey, wait a second, this Hemp that we have is so good we can use it to make a container to hold the Hemp itself. And. Right. It's it's it's a great idea. Give me what you guys have done. Is this amazing, first of all, that, you know, you had the vision to do it and second of all, that you were actually able to do it. I can tell you from my my day to day law practice, most clients who private usually, you know, satisfy one of those criteria. They have a great idea, but they don't know how to do it or they're very talented, but they don't know what to do. And you guys have really, you know, brought that together in a way that's both impressive in terms of the quality of the product you produce and its positive impact on this industry as well as society as a whole. I seem to recall that in our discussions you were letting us know that somehow you guys are now involved with Mickey Hart's new brand of Smokable. Cannabis, can you tell us a little bit about that?
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:26:01] This is really exciting for James and I kind of just felt awesome when when MrHoward Strand reached out Major Head to see if they had asked if they could use a period tubes for their brands.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:26:15] I see. That was super excited about it and everything ended up working out. They just launched with it just basically this month. I think last month. And think you should see them all over from California.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:26:29] Yeah, they're they're hassin used career rolls. And in true Mickey Hart fashion, they will blast you off.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:26:37] And it also really valid that a lot of what Rod and I have been working on for the last few years, you know, if there's if there's one you know, if working with a working with a member of the Grateful Dead really just validates everything we've done so great.
Larry Mishkin: [00:26:54] So that this was my version of the Grateful Dead fantasy game. Right. Which is we all go on with our normal lives and one day the Grateful Dead reaches out to you. That's pretty amazing. That's awesome. That's fair. And you're right. Those those men I tried one of those prequels. Unbelievable. Nice. Nice.
Larry Mishkin: [00:27:10] Before we bale, I just left that. And I'm so sorry. You end up in the pre-op to the show. Which one of you was at the Fish New Year's show? I was wrong. OK. So sweet girl. So I like that I heard the music. I know that you know that the show was great. But of course, the big mystery of that show it if you were there alive, if you could help us. What the hell happened to Trey on that platform?
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:27:33] Yeah.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:27:34] So, you know, being there live in the moment, you're kind of like, what what's going on in intrusive nature? You're oh, you know, you never know if they're calling a gag or there's some some messaging going on or what, you know. But I would say during the during the show, it was awkward. There was a long a long pause. And it just, you know, for that type of show, New Year's show, that just didn't make sense. It wasn't a five minute pause or something.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:28:02] Yeah.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:28:02] And then, you know, at the end of the show, the whole the rescue squad song that kind of was you could tell us there's you know. But it just didn't seem normal. But if you go back and listen, you know, they have they have video of the whole thing now. If you watch soon after all, because I was like, you know, I kind of wanted to figure out what is going on. You watch. I think it's after sand or during sand. If you look at Trey's left front's chain that's holding his platform. You see. If you're looking at everyone's really closely, they're all tight and the left front one on trays has an ever so slight wiggle to it. It's so slight, but you can definitely it's noticeable and you like that has to be the time when it happens and all the other platforms went down. That's my theory. That's what. You know what I saw. But yeah, definitely seems like there's a some type of mechanical some sort of mechanical issue. And it's, you know, that those platforms that you have one chain that's not working, you can't really can't really move it. But it definitely seems like many rewatches on that. Yeah. Know during the moment of, you know, it's quiet and seems like they're figuring stuff out eventually he's just like, you know, fuck it, I'm going to go for it. You know, that's that's it.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:29:24] And here's my other question. What's the 38 minute tweezer? Really all that?
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:29:29] It was pretty awesome beer. I was at for new years. I wasn't on the floor. But for the trees and the before. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was awesome. I've ever been on the floor at MSJ. That energy there sounds like a good spot for that type of stuff.
Larry Mishkin: [00:29:47] That's fantastic. The jim just on the music front. I was just one of the let you and our listeners know in case they're interested out there. I just have a chance to see the North Mississippi All-Stars the other night. And for people who have not yet seen them, you have to go see them. And for people who have seen them, then you know that you have to go see them. They've got a slightly new lineup. They have a new bass player. But Luther and Cody were at their peak. And, you know, one time they're played drums or they're playing guitar. They played a great Deep Ellum blues. And to go down the road feel bad. And they did play for about three hours. So they were just absolutely excellent. And then this week coming up, we got the Tedeschi Trucks Band from the town. Do either of you guys run or are you guys into that just to expand love?
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:30:36] Yeah. Susan Tedeschi has the voice of an angel.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:30:42] That is that she does angel for my drummer. It's just it's beautiful.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:30:48] Yes.
Jim Marty: [00:30:49] Yeah, well, good. Well, this is great.
Jim Marty: [00:30:52] And I was gonna say we have some things to look forward to session Mexico. We'll be there next. Phish shows, I believe. And then they just announced the lineup for Jazz Fest and the first weekend in May.
Jim Marty: [00:31:06] Any company will be playing a jazz fest in New Orleans so that the deli company right now is playing in Mexico.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:31:11] Sads. That is really, I think, one of the greatest. That's the vocals on the planet. There's I've not been to anything like Jazz Fest and I've been to a fair amount of festivals and that is just the most magical city to see music and looks lollapalooza for adults.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:31:30] Exactly. Exactly.
Larry Mishkin: [00:31:32] Know they've got real food and stuff like that. And the Jazz Fest is awesome. And of course, if you guys have been there, then, you know, is greatest jazz fest itself is you have to catch those late night shows because that's where the magic happens all about the late night shows.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:31:48] There's no other city, I think, in the United States where you could like, you know, maybe maybe New York, but you know, where you can just be at show after show after show and see like three or four shows in an evening with, you know, set times to as late as like 7:00 a.m..
Larry Mishkin: [00:32:07] Oh, yeah. You know, the meters never came on stage till 2 o'clock in the morning. It was wonderful. Very much so. Well, this is great, guys. It's always fun to talk to people who are sound initiative or successful or the Cannabis industry. They love the dead in fashion jam bands all the better. I mean, we're so happy you guys get on our show today and talk to our fans out there. We'll tell everybody. Start looking for Santa packaging wherever you can.
Larry Mishkin: [00:32:30] Let's support these guys.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:32:32] Thank you. Thanks for having us, guys. Is awesome. Yeah, it was a real pleasure.
James Eichner & Ron Basak-Smith: [00:32:36] Well, thank you very much, James and Ron. And we'll look forward to seeing some of your products on the shelf and see if we can't help you out by buying a few things that are wrapped in your packaging. So this is Jim Martin playing for the Deadhead Cannabis show over now. Thank you, Larry. Thank you, James. Thank you, Ron.
Jim Marty: [00:33:00] And catch you next time. Guys, keep an eye on . See a show.
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