As a Special Operations Team Commander with Marine Raiders, Bryan Buckley led multiple teams in deployments. Today he and fellow Raider Matt Curran are now leading Helmand Valley Growers Company to produce high quality cannabis products designed specifically for PTSD. They join Larry and Jim to talk about their company and about music including Phish Dinner And A Movie and Kenny Roger's passing. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/guests/jim-marty https://podconx.com/guests/rob-hunt
As a Special Operations Team Commander with Marine Raiders, Bryan Buckley led multiple teams in deployments. Today he and fellow Raider Matt Curran are now leading Helmand Valley Growers Company to produce high quality cannabis products designed specifically for PTSD. They join Jim Marty and Larry Mishkinto talk about their company and about music including Phish Dinner And A Movie and Kenny Roger's passing.
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Jim Marty: [00:00:36] Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Deadhead Cannabis show. Jim Marty here reporting from beautiful Longmont, Colorado. My partner Larry Mishkin up in Chicago.
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:45] Jim, how are you? How are you doing?
Larry Mishkin: [00:00:47] We are on a stay at home order here as well. But luckily today we've had beautiful blue skies and word appropriate. We try to sneak outside and get a quick walk around the block and take advantage of it.
Jim Marty: [00:01:00] Pool. Very good. And we are lucky enough to have guests today. We have Brian and Matt and they are former Marines and are doing some experimentation with Cannabis and CBD products for post-traumatic stress syndrome and others. So with that, let Matt and Brian introduce themselves with your full names and the full name of your company. And take a few minutes. Tell us your story. Tell us how your company got its name and what you're up to.
Bryan Buckley: [00:01:32] Yeah, it sounds great. So this is Brian Buckley and we have Matt Kern here as well. The company is called Hollman Valley Growers Company. And what we're doing is a former Marine Raiders, which is the special operations component that goes to Special Operations Command from the Marine Corps. And we came up with the name because we served in an area in Afghanistan called the Helmand Province. And in our unit, when you served there, you become part of what we've called the Helmand Valley Gun Club. And you get a tattoo. So we really want to gear our brand for overall mission of helping out veterans by utilizing medical Cannabis. We came up with the name of Helmand Valley Growers Company. That way, you know, Campese Archmage back to the Marines that served in the Helmand Province and also kind of keeps a military brand to our organization.
Jim Marty: [00:02:25] You see, and you manufacture products in the San Diego area.
Bryan Buckley: [00:02:30] Yes. We just launched in the San Diego area early February.
Bryan Buckley: [00:02:35] And what we really want to do was our whole focus is on what we're seeing going on with the veterans and the opioid and suicide epidemic that's currently plaguing all of us. And we're really kind of look at the benefits of medical Cannabis and really thought it could be a viable opportunity. And a lot of our passion, what we're doing is we're actually setting up a medical Cannabis research design on the symptoms of post-traumatic stress by utilizing medical Cannabis and currently right now is still in being designed out while we're waiting for our recruitment and treatment protocols.
Bryan Buckley: [00:03:12] But once we have that, we're going to submit it for an institutional review board or an IRP, which allows us to print our findings in medical journals. This will be a three phase operation. Our first phase will be the first study we hope to have going by early summer, and that'll be with 60 veterans. Once we have an idea of what genetics are working for, the symptoms of post-traumatic stress, we'll go back and grow those, come back out, do a more robust study between two to four hundred veterans here in California. And then once we have dialed in the way we want it to be, we'll move the research up into Michigan as more of a retrospective study. And so that way we can validate our findings. And then from there, we want to get another opportunity to go in front of Congress and show them our homework that we put together that we have. The data is backed by American doctors. And, yes, medical Cannabis is a viable option over the period to see if we can get it into the V.A. medical system and make medical Cannabis federally legal.
Larry Mishkin: [00:04:09] Brian, this is very and that's very interesting what you're saying. And here's my question for you, exporting to us, if you will, your relationship with Cannabis and how you guys have now gotten to the point where you recognized Cannabis as being an effective treatment for PTSD, which kind of made that link for you guys. How did you get into it?
Bryan Buckley: [00:04:29] Yeah, absolutely. That's a great question. Obviously, Matt and I. Being Marines, you never really thought about Cannabis at all. And once we transitioned out, we had a pretty, pretty rough deployment in the summer 2012 in Afghanistan, where, you know, I don't know if this is true or not, but I had one high ranking officials say to me one time that it was Friday, the bloodiest summer that had special operation forces has had since the Vietnam War. So news to say we when we come back home, you know, you're kind of things have slowed down and you're you're you're kind of dealing with what happened over there and tried to put everything in perspective. And, you know, a lot of us when we get together, there's a lot of drinking going on and just kind of trying to put the pieces back together. And one of our other co-founders, Andy Myers, who served with us as Marine Raiders just one week, he was looking a lot better, a little more refreshed. You know, he's kind of back to his old ways. And I said to him, like, hey, what's going on with you? And say, here's here's the truth. He's like, you know, I gave up a fifth of Jack for a joint. And I'm like, You're. He just listens. Hips great, like I'm not blacking out at night, I'm not drinking and driving. I remember everything that happened. I'm getting a great night's sleep. And it actually kind of helped him transition, in his words, from a warrior to a partner. So we really said, hey, maybe there is something here. And it was still, you know, in the 2016, 2017 timeframe. I think people are still a little bit more like hide in the closet in terms that are candidates use. But as we kind of talk to more veterans on the one off, they were more saying like, yeah, I've been utilizing to really help improve my life. So we want to do things the right way.
Bryan Buckley: [00:06:09] Obviously, people are looking at a green Rush. That's great, but we really want to make an impact with our veterans. So we took our time. We met with members of Congress and we said to him, you know, we think this could be a viable option. How can we get this moving and get some traction legislatively? And they told us, you know, for the most part, the days of people advocating for it has kind of gone as far as it can go. What they're really lacking is the research aspect. And they're like, listen, if you can get data and get some data from American doctors, that would really help move the dial in a direction that you guys probably want. So we just said, okay, Roger that. We had no idea how we're going to do it, but we'll find a way. And we ended up meeting up with a gentleman named Lon Blot from the emetic there, a research firm based off Israel. They came over to California just around the 2017 timeframe. I explained to them what we want to accomplish and they love the idea. So we brought them in as our research firm and then just go through back and forth of how we can make this work and how we can get to join our IRP.
Bryan Buckley: [00:07:11] Biomedical really kind of took charge of that, put all the pieces together and formed a really great team for us. So we're very excited about that opportunity. And we also want to do is kind of make a call to arms of Cannabis community. We feel that veterans from privvy, the ones who can make the biggest impact here with Congress. I mean, after all, they're the ones who sent us off to war. We kind of look like a now we're back. It's your turn to fix us. And so one of the nice things we do is 100 percent of our profits from our recreational brand goes back to that veteran mental Cannabis research that we're conducting. So not only do you got a great product. Everything tests over 90 percent, but also your dollars to go beyond that and really help make an impact mattherson the veterans like. So we focus on the American medical landscape as well.
Jim Marty: [00:07:55] Let's the tell us more about your products. What is your supply chain? Did you extract and then what is the final product and then where can people find them?
Matt Cullen: [00:08:05] Yeah, absolutely. And this is this is Matt here. We start with a desolate. We do the fillings and in capping the packaging is all maintained here in a single manufacturing workflow in San Diego where we're based out of that's distributed again. You know, it's an in-house distribution. We're here locally within the San Diego area. We're sort of broadening our region north a little bit, but manages to get into dispensaries in Vista. And we're looking at opportunities in L.A. and in further north and to northern California. You know, unfortunately, with where we are in the world today, that's been stunted just a little bit. But the tops have not. You know, the desire to get us up and get get our product in dispensaries is not, you know, definitely the outreach from from our fans and in people. You're not in the social media world who want to get a product in their hands. It is definitely increased. So we're eager to get out there and get on the shelves. We do have three strains. We've got an indica. We've got a city VA. We have our hybrid.
Matt Cullen: [00:09:03] And we seen, you know, named Afghan Rimel. We've got purple train wreck and sour diesel. And I tell you, you know, 100 percent of people that reach out back to us and give us feedback have found that has helped them in some way, form or fashion. You know, I think that the majority of the trends we hear that, you know, it really helps them get a good night's sleep. It was the best thing they've ever gotten. We've been very fortunate and extremely privileged to to be hands on with some some veterans who unfortunately are suffering from some pretty extreme, you know, wounds from from their experiences in combat and that the feedback has been great. I mean, it's just it just really, you know, moves move our heart. It's our mission is our drive just to get get in the hands and help people. Anyone, anyone who may be suffering from PTSD.
Jim Marty: [00:09:49] You know, how do your products, they spend cartridges gummies. What is the end product?
Matt Cullen: [00:09:55] Yeah, that's correct. We do we do cartridges, vape in cartridges.
Jim Marty: [00:10:00] And then you come today to the front end or do you buy other people's product?
Matt Cullen: [00:10:04] We don't currently cultivate. Right now we start with this list and that goes, of course, with the CIA and the track route through the system. So we understand, you know, where our THC levels are and we're putting it, you know, a high quality product out for our consumers. Once we once we finish this first round of of our research with our IRP, we're gonna start over with an in-house cultivation. And that's truly where we're going to go hands on from. From seed to shelf, if you will, with with our. Later, Andy, you know, a team of genetic geneticists and in our research based model so that we can grow the strange exactly the way it must be grown and we can track them all the way from from their start up in the ground all the way through the extraction process and into the hands of users, the people who need it most.
Jim Marty: [00:10:53] That's great. And tell us your Web site so people can find the retail shops where your products are sold.
Bryan Buckley: [00:11:00] Yeah, absolutely. The Web site would be w w w dot hdb g company dot com.
Larry Mishkin: [00:11:07] Well, this is really exciting stuff. And so here's where I wanted to see you guys, because I think the more I hear about this, you know, the more impressed I am. First of all, I love the fact that you're bringing a guy in from Israel, because, as you know, I discovered last year and really I've known for a while, Israel is so far ahead of the rest of the world in terms of this. And apropos to what you guys are doing. One of the primary reasons why Israel got behind Cannabis research so strongly 50 years ago is because they realized that their soldiers were being exposed to hashish and other things through the Arab populations. And they wanted to find out what impact, if any, it would have on their troops. So it was research done specifically geared towards medical troops. And in fact, a CBD has become a mainstay of their arsenal over their preferred treatment for troops and for PTSD and all of that. So what you guys are doing here is just carrying the ball to the next level and pushing that forward. And I think it's tremendous to see that. It's also what you're saying is very, very consistent with things that I've heard Jim Marty know. If you see these at the it all the Cannabis conferences, they always have a group there from a group called Athletes for Action.
Larry Mishkin: [00:12:15] And it's a bunch of former usually football players or hockey players, the ones who are really getting dinged up and banged around a lot. And every single one of them tells the same story. You guys were telling you this is why I'm such a believer, because none of you know each other. And you all say the same thing, which is I was a football player. We had aches and pains. They give us opioids, but we couldn't smoke marijuana because then we couldn't play. We wouldn't get paid. And after we retired, we all know we were dying on these opioids and then we shifted over to marijuana. And it's the same thing. I've been able to take myself off of the opioids. I'm on marijuana. I'm a better person. I'm enjoying life again. And it's just so tremendous to hear, you know, how different groups along the way make this discovery on their own. And the fact that, you know, you guys came up with this through your body is, you know, just tremendous. It's an anecdotal thing that's going to change the lives of many, many people for the better. It's great what you're doing.
Jim Marty: [00:13:07] I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Spot on. I mean, you know, we have Fela. I was very glad. I just ran into a line at a Cannabis conference and things really took off from there. So we got very fortunate.
Larry Mishkin: [00:13:18] That's great. That's very exciting stuff.
Jim Marty: [00:13:20] Was there much drug use and drug abuse among the soldiers over in Afghanistan?
Bryan Buckley: [00:13:24] No, not at all. I mean, everyone I mean, it's just very much ingrained in us like a do not touch marijuana or Cannabis. You know, we get urine tests and all that stuff. So it's not even really a thought. Yeah. You're getting a couple people. I was in the operator side that might test positive, but that's, you know, farm in between. So really to us like Cannabis was really boring until really like 2016 when we start taking a hard look at it.
Jim Marty: [00:13:50] Very interesting. Well, they shifted over a little bit later. Dep. more questions before we talk a little bit about music.
Larry Mishkin: [00:13:57] No, other than I guess just to ask you guys this. Are you constantly recruiting new veterans to come in and work with you and help you expand across the country? Did you have a goal to expand outside of California is what I should really us?
Bryan Buckley: [00:14:10] Yeah. You know the first part. Absolutely. You know, what we'd like to do here is really kind of have veterans make a medicine for veterans. And, you know, part through our nonprofit organization called Our Brothers Foundation, we help out veterans transitioning out the military. We help them out with their V.A. disability claims to ensure that they get the rating that they deserve. If a veteran is struggling with opiates or alcohol or PTSD. All the above, we have treatment facilities that we can send of that suit just to kind of get themselves right. Obviously, we're doing medical candidates research. And the last part of that is we do job placement for the veteran so that they have that sense of purpose like they did back in the military. And ultimately not make a decision, they might not be able to come back.
Bryan Buckley: [00:14:54] And just to add to that. We absolutely want to help, you know, every single way that we can. We look for those opportunities. And it's been from day one when Brian and Andy all sat down and spoke about this, where we really want to get down all the way to the compensator level and and gain true relationships with these people who were out there, whether it be a grower and a contractor. You know, the great labs that are out there, manufacturing, you know, facilities and companies like the one we're at now all the way to dispensaries. And as we know, as we grow and as we're able to do, strengthen that bond and then expand to state to state to really use that as a bridge and as a network that veterans are. Know transitioning out of military and not sure what they want to do. We have an opportunity to make that face to face connection. You know who knew that? And Myers wanted to be a, you know, someone who who grew vegetables in his backyard and to be able to link in to that and understand that growing. I mean, he's so passionate about that really gives. That's why that's his purpose. But to be able to plug those veterans in. And a lot of veterans want to get out and go back home. And it's a little bit scary, right, because they're taking a step into the unknown and they may not have a job to go back into and to provide that hope for them. And and an opportunity to be able to come out and confidently step into the next chapter of their lives and have a place where they can at least start and experienced, you know, the same joy that we experience every single day when we know we come to, quote unquote, work, although it's not work for us. You know, we we absolutely love what we do every single day. And it keeps us up at night and gets us out of bed. First thing in the morning is we race to work to start another day.
Larry Mishkin: [00:16:31] That's that's great, what I really like about this is the marijuana in the cannabis industry needs this. I think it's a great thing for it, right? I mean, part of your pitches, you're not just getting a quality cannabis product, you're actually helping to support our soldiers and our veterans. And the people who went out laid their lives on the line for all the rest of us. And if you don't mind me saying so, I'm taking it to the next level, which is, you know, in a lot of communities, the Cannabis community still finds itself kind of locked in a battle in Illinois, for instance. We have both youth, but each community has the opportunity to opt out if they wanted to. Our surprise. There was a number of communities that were opting out. And typically what we find is the opt out decision is based on a lot of bad information and kind of reefer madness carry over. But I you know, I would say that in this country right now, regardless of your political affiliation, the one group of people that get universal respect from everyone is veterans. And the fact that we have veterans groups out there who are, you know, taking Cannabis and running with it and really making it something not only benefits you and your your your veteran friends, but it benefits the Cannabis community as a whole. Because we've got a group that has tremendous credibility really speaking out in favor of it. So I think it's great.
Bryan Buckley: [00:17:44] Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. We have a term in the military we call right out of breach. And it's simply, you know, simply we can put explosives on the door and it goes off and that's a breach and everybody writes it. It's bad. They can't they can ride that shockwave and take advantage of wherever they're going. And, you know, we carry that over to. So what we do now and that's really what we want to do. We want. We want to be a breach for the Cannabis community and let them rise to be reached with us. You know, we can do exactly what you just said. Use what we've done and who we are and where we've been to to help reach the industry. And in with it, you know, take all these amazing people who we get to experience the pleasure to work with every single day.
Larry Mishkin: [00:18:26] Absolutely. I think it's great.
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Jim Marty: [00:19:05] Now, this shows the dead head Cannabis show, so we talk about Cannabis, but we also talk about music. And the question I have for you is what type of music do Marines going into battle in Afghanistan listen to?
Bryan Buckley: [00:19:20] Yeah. I mean, we weren't listening to much a Grateful Dead end. You know, people might think, you know, where we listened to like Metallica or maybe like five finger death punch or something really to kind of get you fired up. But even that, I don't think would really answer the bell for the the intensity we're about to face when we went to go conduct combat against the Taliban. So in my eyes and then the eyes of all the guys on the team, there was one voice and one voice only that would get us ready to go. And that was that Lady Gaga. OK. There you go. Lady Gaga was what we listened to read before we went out to battle. We came with a little poker face. You know, all that good stuff. We're ready to go give you a bad night. First album when Lady Gaga came on. That's amazing.
Jim Marty: [00:20:02] I'm sure she'll be glad to hear you then. Have you ever got to meet or talk to Lady Gaga?
Bryan Buckley: [00:20:07] I would love to thank her for her service because honestly, it's like we've listened to her almost like that cloak of invincibility would hit all of us.
Bryan Buckley: [00:20:14] And we're like, all right, let's go do this. And then, you know, we return back from our missions. We would turn on a little motley crew. Home sweet home and get ready to do it all over again.
Jim Marty: [00:20:25] That's right. She's got a great voice and I loved her and a star as the one who introduced her to a lot of people who didn't or very well.
Bryan Buckley: [00:20:32] So this is great.
Bryan Buckley: [00:20:34] Yeah. Now, that was really a great movie.
Jim Marty: [00:20:36] Thank you very much, Larry. This anything in closing?
Larry Mishkin: [00:20:40] No, just other than I'm going to have to wake you guys up the next time I'm in California, cause now I'm really intrigued to try your product. That sounds fantastic. Would love to have you out here.
Jim Marty: [00:20:49] Yes. Thank you for your service. Thank you. Guys, we really appreciate it.
Bryan Buckley: [00:20:53] All right. Thank you for paying your taxes. All five lutely.
Jim Marty: [00:20:58] Oh, that was a fascinating interview with Brian and Matt. And the great ones. They're dealing with veterans. Shifting it back to the other side of our show. You know, we're in the middle of a pandemic right now in the United States, and a lot of places are on lockdown. A lot of tours have been canceled. So we don't have a lot of music to talk about. But I did find out that Jazz Fest in New Orleans has not been canceled right flat out, but it's been moved to September. So the tickets I bought will be good in September. And I look forward to being in New Orleans. Larry, what do you got?
Larry Mishkin: [00:21:34] Well, first of all, I was going to say, you know, folks in New Orleans never cancel a party. They may have to reschedule it. But, you know, they're not going to cancel it. So that's wonderful. I hope you get down there. You see some great music. In the meantime, I think was worth talking about it. It was fascinating how quickly it's all happening is that, you know, with all of this stay at home stuff, we're finding performers and artists and everybody who are all making their works available online. I am going to show my ignorance here because I don't know well enough to know the name of it. Does a jazzy deejay who did a big party from his heart met in New York over the weekend and had a hundred thousand people, including Michelle Obama. Done. But everybody is getting involved with it. So why not the groups that we liked as well? And you and I were talking before the show, officials announced that starting on Tuesday night into the foreseeable future, they're going to do something called dinner and a movie. And it's fascinating. The movie each week will be official. That'll be streamlined. You can watch it and the dinner will be anything you want, except that each week they're going to have a recipe that they throw out there on Facebook. So if you want, you can cook right along with them. So as we sit here on March 24th, today, being a Tuesday night tonight, they're going to be showing the shoulder. Broadcasting is from August thirty first 2012. It was recorded a ticket out of Denver. Jim, I'm going to guess you were at that show. And the meal that they've posted online is Tray and two artists studios. Between me and my Bell Veggie Chili, if you go to the link on Facebook, you can download the recipe and you can cook dinner with them and you can watch the concert with a band. Sounds like a great way to spend the Tuesday night today.
Jim Marty: [00:23:26] Well, yes, I definitely was at that show, so I'll look forward to the replay. You I've heard a few things that is up to I heard Treys been posting a new song almost every day as he's quarantined in New York.
Larry Mishkin: [00:23:39] Yes. And I did just read this afternoon that he has canceled his summer tour. Now, I don't know if that also includes Oyster Head, which was scheduled to be triggered this spring. I've got my oyster had tickets for April here in Chicago, the third week in April, although I guess given the way things are going, they could already be a dicey situation. But he but he did it out to his summer tour is being canceled or postponed at least. So, you know, more budget crisis there. But you're right. Here he is. He's putting out new songs for people to listen to every day. You know, I mean, I think that's great museums and art institutes of, you know, putting their gallery exhibits, online operas and everything. And, you know, we can we can get all the arts we want just as long as a good Internet connection.
Jim Marty: [00:24:24] Very interesting. So, yeah, he always does Red Rocks with the Trey Anastasio band. So that's that'll be a shame if we don't get that this summer. But you know, Sharon Tate, the Oyster Heads Show I saw in February less Claypool really dominated. Trey was actually, you know, placidly a second guitar to the less claypool's bass. And Claypool did most of the lyrics as well. So it was very good. Stewart Copeland did a great job on the drums. Another thing I heard about trade is a story which may be true just in a third hand that he gets a lot of requests from friends for loans and money. And what he'll do instead of actually outright giving them money is he'll give them co-writing credits on new songs that he puts out.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:14] Oh, wow. You have be a big Robert Hunter's buddy back in the day and getting a few cold credits on some of his songs.
Jim Marty: [00:25:21] I did hear morning about Robert Hunter to. He was playing in Denver either at Sanchez, Broken Arrow or Beyond Key, and the borrower went after him at the end of the night with his payment for a service for his musical performance. And Robert Hunter. Now you keep it. I'm doing pretty well on the royalties.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:42] I like that. That's the kind of story you hope you wish you would hear, right? Happy ending. I like that.
Jim Marty: [00:25:47] And we lost Kenny Rogers last week.
Larry Mishkin: [00:25:49] I saw that. The Gambler. Right. I. You know, I have to tell you. It's what's amazing about a guy like Kenny Rogers is, you know, for the last 20 years, I've just had him totally stereotyped as the gambler and that whole thing. Yeah, the song was fun back in the day when we first threw that every now and then when I started reading his obituary, he'd read about all the different musical things. He was involved with the band first edition back in the late 60s. And I mean he he covered all different kinds of music. He was at rock and he was in country and he was he'd really like an amazing person. And I, you know, now disappointed that I didn't take enough time previously to really worry more about him. And, you know, he'd have a chance to really enjoy some of that. But, yeah, I was very sorry to see that that we lost Kenny Rogers.
Jim Marty: [00:26:33] And as part of his obituary when I was clicking online, there's a 1982 duet that he does with Polly Dolly Parton. I think at the Country Music Awards with the cover of Biji song Islands in the Stream, I believe is the name of the song. And it's a great duet. I'd encourage our listeners to check that out as a final tribute to Kenny Rogers.
Larry Mishkin: [00:26:57] Absolutely. The Gambler Folds em for the last time here.
Jim Marty: [00:27:02] So I think that brings us to the end of our time slot. So, Larry, you want to sign us off?
Larry Mishkin: [00:27:08] I will. Always a pleasure to talk to you, Jim. Thanks to our new good friends, Brian and Matt, for taking the time to come on the show today and tell us all the exciting things that they're doing.
Larry Mishkin: [00:27:19] I hope you all enjoy Trey's veggie chili tonight and enjoy the show.
Jim Marty: [00:27:25] And everybody stay healthy and we'll be in touch. Thank you, Jim. Okay. Over and out.
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