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Grateful Dead June '76 | Green House Wellness

Episode Summary

Dr Leslie Apgar and Gina Dubbe' are not your typical cannabis entrepreneurs, they speak with Jim Marty and Larry Mishkin about the unlikely journey that arrived them into the cannabis industry. They talk about Green House Wellness, their Maryland dispensary, Blissiva, their line of cannabis products and their book, High Heals. Larry also reviews the Grateful Deads' recently released June '76 book set. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/dr-leslie-apgar https://podconx.com/guests/gina-dubbe https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/guests/jim-marty https://podconx.com/guests/rob-hunt

Episode Notes

Dr Leslie Apgar and Gina Dubbe' are not your typical cannabis entrepreneurs, they speak with Jim Marty and Larry Mishkin about the unlikely journey that arrived them into the cannabis industry.   They talk about Green House Wellness, their Maryland dispensary, Blissiva, their line of cannabis products and their book, High Heals.    Larry also reviews the Grateful Deads' recently released June '76 book set.

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Episode Transcription

Jim Marty: [00:00:00] 

 

Jim Marty: [00:00:35] Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Deadhead Cannabis show. Jim Marty here from Beautiful Spring Day here in Longmont, Colorado.I've got my partner up in Chicago as we struggle to get through the C 19 virus pandemic. That is right in the middle of right now, Larry. How you doing up there in Chicago?

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:00:59] Hey, Jim, nice to hear from you. Thank you. We're hanging in here on our shelter at home order of which the governor has now extended in conjunction with President Trump's declaration through the end of April. So as I said to my wife, to Raul, just starting to get to know each other. But, you know, it's it's it's a good thing to do. And for me, quite frankly, I've been very busy with all of this application work we have going on here in Illinois. I think I mentioned to you right before we started, Jim, that due to the ongoing nature of the pandemic that Governor Pritchard has now, just this past Saturday, signed an order for the second time extending our filing deadline. It was supposed to be yesterday. It's now been extended to April 30th, which I think gives everybody a little bit of breathing room and not all this concerned. Yesterday, we were all going to have to be in the post office, lined up with each other, waiting to send all of these in by certified mail return receipt requested it for you. Deadheads out there go three by five card necessary. Nevertheless, we now have our extension, which is good. I think gives everybody a little bit of breathing room. We'll get these things done. So it's just business as usual here. But it is not a beautiful spring day. We're very overcast, very chilly. A little bit of rain in the forecast. So we're all staying inside. And I just keep get by in my thoughts as you're sitting out there in the bar and having a little time.

 

Jim Marty: [00:02:21] Yes. Well, I'm actually at my office today, and I just said, looking at a beautiful blue sky with white coffee clouds. But we have snow in the forecast. We might get six to eight inches on Thursday. So we shall see. That's springtime in the Rocky Mountains. Well, Larry, we are fortunate enough today to have some very impressive guests. We have Dr. Leslie Apgar weigh in and her business partner, Gina Dubbe. And they have a dispensary in Maryland called Greenhouse Wellness Dispensary. And they've also written a book recently called High Heels How to Women Found their Footing in the Medical Cannabis Industry. So welcome, ladies, to our show.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:03:06] Thank you. Thank you for having us.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:03:08] Very nice to have you on the show. A chuckle when I hear the name of that book because I love the double line times, right? I think it's great. I look forward to having a chance to ask you about it in a minute. But what's what's so exciting about this is not only are you guys on our show today and have such great information to share with our listeners about what you have done, both in terms of your approach towards medical marijuana from a treatment perspective as well as from a business perspective.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:03:35] But I'm sure Jim would join me and he and I had this conversation before and saying that we always welcome the opportunity to have guests on our show. For women owning businesses in the industry, it still remains a predominantly male industry. And the more women we can get into it, I think the better. Overall, I think that women tend to bring a different perspective than men. And I heard you talk on your show, whereas I think the implication that's the implication. But the the idea is, is that men certainly tend to walk around more talking about how strong the THC is. Well, I think it's nice to have a little bit of focus on palliative effects and all the other benefits that can come out of it, especially when you start lowering that THC level and increasing the CBD level.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:04:18] Yes. And it's interesting because really the cannabis industry didn't get a great start and it certainly didn't get a medical start, got a really recreational line. And so a lot of recreational meth still persists in this industry.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:04:34] And Gina and I really want to elevate it and make it more elegant and get whatever studies we can in place and really focus on the true medical nature of these Canton's instead of just going with the old dogma. So it's it's a challenge to get people to understand that THC is a very potent molecule with a very narrow therapeutic window, which means that too little not work and too much won't work. And there's just the right now. Talk about Goldilocks and it's just right. And that level is potentially different for everybody.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:05:11] But it's definitely part of our mission to try and educate everybody.

 

Jim Marty: [00:05:18] That'd be a good name for a Strain.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:05:20] Goldilocks would rescue this if I can see each one of you. You know, just briefly, tell us how it was that you came into the Cannabis. And then maybe just as importantly, how the two of you found each other to be able to watch towards this business that you have, that Gina and I were backdoor neighbors.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:05:43] I moved into the neighborhood in 2002 and Gina welcomes me by bringing me a freshly baked pie, as apparently you do when you are from West Virginia. And so that's how I met Gina. And over the years, we became fast friends because we had absolutely nothing in common and are completely different with wildly different upbringings. But naturally, we became best friends. And I was approached by a patient years ago in when I was working in my medical spine. She's somebody I've known for years and years. And she said, hey, would you be open to us fitting you as our medical director? We're building a vertical bed right now. And we know you're from Seattle and you're cool and you're open minded. Is that something you'd be amenable to considering? Sure. So then the conversation changed and it included the need for funding. And I said, well, Gina has funding and she's can certainly get us more funding. And she's also a venture capitalist and a serial entrepreneur and probably somebody that we would want to partner with. But I said please don't get her on the phone with your guys out in California unless they're legit, because Gina's legit and I don't want to waste her time. Please don't embarrass me. And she assured me that that wouldn't be the case. So we got on a conference call after playing tennis because her working moms and constantly cramming two things into one opportunity. So we were in the car together coming back from tennis and we got on the phone with these guys in California and. You know, I'll let you take it from here.

 

Gina Dubbe: [00:07:24] Well, it was an interesting conversation. One of the things that I had asked them was what's the return profile on the investment? And the guy said to me, Oh, honey, you would never understand the bear. And I guess we looked at each other both dumbfounded. Nice. No, no. I assure you, I have an engineering background and I've been a venture capitalist for a number of years. I'll get the math. No, no, we're not going down that path. And so, needless to say, Leslie and I looked at each other and said, OK, we're not going to do this. By the time I got home and called Leslie, she was just pulling in her driveway. And I said, you know what? We can bid this or Dan sells. We don't need any help. We don't need anybody. We'll do it ourselves. Now, that was a remarkably crazy thing to say at the time because I had never used Cannabis at that point. And so we were jumping into a whole new arena with a doctor and an engineer in something that we knew relatively little about. But starting any business is the same. It's the the mechanics of the business. No cash equals death. You have to have a plan. And the Maryland request for proposal really drill down into how you were going to train, what your business plan was, much more so than the Cannabis portions itself. So we wrote the proposal all 600 pages of it and tossed it over the wall. And a year later, shockingly, we were one of the highest scoring proposals that went in and we had our choice of any region we wanted. Because in Maryland, you could only win one. So here we were looking at each other going, what are we in for now?

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:09:05] And to put that into a little bit of context, you know, had already been approached by other people within the Cannabis industry and for whatever reason, she had turned them down. So she already was tuned in to this as an opportunity that she probably should consider. And I was becoming ever more disenfranchised with traditional medicine because it is all about profit over patient and it's becoming more and more impersonal. I'm supposed to have a relationship with my laptop computer in the room and put in codes and things and click boxes instead of really connecting and sitting with somebody and really seeing them and listening to them and truly being a doctor. And so that discontent had already started for me, which is why I opened up my medical spa in 2008. But the discontent was growing. And this opportunity, while terrifying to me because my colleagues told me that I was throwing away my career and my reputation and potentially my medical license and what the heck was I thinking? It did have a little bit more context than we just had this phone call and jumped in. But quite honestly, at the time, we just had that phone call and jumped in and it was a big giant jump.

 

Jim Marty: [00:10:33] Do you have a reason to location in Ellicott City, Maryland? Do you cultivate or do you simply buy and sell your Cannabis?

 

Gina Dubbe: [00:10:42] We simply buy and sell. In Maryland, everything's vertical ized, grow processor and dispensary. We have hopes to get a processor in later rounds and we've also bid in other states. But in Maryland, we have the dispensary and then we have a second company called Blue Theba, which manufactures a line of women's products that we designed specifically for ourselves.

 

Jim Marty: [00:11:05] I see. So so you purchase your Cannabis from others?

 

Gina Dubbe: [00:11:10] We do. We have fifteen licensed growers in Maryland and fifteen processors. And so there's quite a range of product. And in our dispensary we carry about 300 different items flower vapes, tinctures, gubbins, pretty much the gamut because we deal with patients that have all different issues.

 

Jim Marty: [00:11:30] Ok. And so what do you look for when you're making your purchases?

 

Gina Dubbe: [00:11:34] It's really a variety of things. When we look at flower, we want a blend. We want some high THC, some CBD THC blends. We also want the different herpes within the Cannabis, because as you're aware, the triptans are really the secret sauce. They're what make people feel different ways and different folks react differently. For vapes, we want to also the different range. We really focus on a lot of tinctures for our patients, especially depending upon their individual conditions.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:12:07] So what may be different in Maryland to your guys of states is that Maryland, for better or for worse, has been really strict about their testing requirements and it. Course adds expense to the process, but they're really, really persnickety about testing and labeling so that if you go to some other states, you don't know what's in it.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:12:33] You might know what percentage THC or CBD or MG that you don't have anything else. There's no other turbine's or minor cannabinoids that need to be on the label. So we're really lucky because we get seaways for all these different products and we get to dissect into the nitty gritty to select what we want so we can really offer our patients a full spectrum. And it's it's a lot it's a lot of detail, but it's also tremendous.

 

Jim Marty: [00:13:04] Very good. So you're on the front lines and you see breast cancer patients, post-partum depression, opioid use and abuse. One of the things I always say is why would you take opioids when you're in Colorado? You can smoke some of the best marijuana in the world. So tell us about that link between opioids and Cannabis to give people also do it.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:13:28] So it's funny. I just got the journal article today that we actually published a case report of an individual who used cannabis to come off of her opioids the second time she had a big surgery, the first time she had that surgery or similar surgery. It wasn't legal in Maryland. Yeah. And the difference in her recovery is just striking. So what we find is that Cannabis Potentia, it's opioids, which means that it makes them work longer and more effectively. And because of that, then the patient can use ever less or lower doses and less often and really get them self weaned off quite effectively. Secondly, Cannabis decreases or eliminates the withdrawal symptoms and the anxiety that is associated with coming off narcotics. So it's it's been profound. It's one of the first things that Dina and I witnessed at Greenhouse. We had our very first patient patient number one, we call her to this day who had been injured in the war. I think she had a Humvee accident and had a bunch of hardware in her back.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:14:49] And she was on enough that enough to kill a horse. She was on a pump like an insulin pump, but it was a fentanyl pump. And she was also on morphine tablets, multiple, multiple tablets a day.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:15:02] And she was just. Her life was ruined and she was just incapacitated. And she was just waiting for us to open so that she could start the process.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:15:12] And in three short months, she was off everything. Now, I don't recommend that that was not part of her plan for her, but she is such a warrior and a hero.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:15:29] And that was just the beginning. So since then, we've had lots and lots of patients who've come in and used Cannabis to help them get off of their opioids and their benzos and their sleep agents and their other medicines that they test. So it's it's been an exit drug, not a gateway drug.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:15:50] I could jump in and say, I love these kinds of stories. And to me, what's amazing about them is that we hear the same story all the time last week on our show. We had two gentlemen who are former special ops Marines. And now that they're out of the service, they've dedicated their whole Cannabis business for helping PTSD. And similarly, helping war veterans get off of opioids. But even before that, when I was going to conferences, the group Athletes for Action would always bring in former NFL players and former hockey players. And every single one of them tells the same story that you just. But obviously, you're not all sitting in the same room coming up with the same story. So what that says can be a ray person when it comes to the medical field is that what we're seeing is more than just a coincidence. Right. Where this really goes wide credence to the idea that there is a recognized use for tabloids in helping people from off of opioids and get something back resembling a normal life. And the fact that you're able to come up with the same results and certainly Dr. Ripper's, as a trained physician, for you to be able to see it and understand and appreciate it for me just means that we're taking one step closer towards the type of, you know, full scale recognition that this this research here. This needs not just. The business perspective to make it available to everyone out there who can really enjoy these benefits.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:17:26] Yeah, and it's it's all about the education. So we were really fortunate that our patient agreed to let us use her as a case report and grateful for the opportunity of the American Journal of and the Cabinet in Medicine for allowing us the opportunity to get that published. Because really the only way we're going to move the needle is if we push for education and legitimacy. And the first way to do that is to get some studies. Case report is not great as far as doctors consider literature and and studies. I would really want randomized controlled trials. But given the schedule one status, I don't see that happening in our country for a little while. But once there's enough pressure put on these politicians to say, look, here is overwhelming data, anecdotal and case reports and all the others. We've got to study this plant. You've got to get it off schedule one.

 

Jim Marty: [00:18:23] Another thing a bring up is this should be of no surprise to anyone that Cannabis has medical attributes because virtually all of our drugs originally come from plants, aspirins, the bark of a tree, poppies and opium, cocaine and coca leaves. So it should be no surprise that a plant has medical qualities.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:18:46] Yeah. The problem is that the plant is four or five hundred different things. And Pharma can't get Routt wealthy on four or five hundred different things. They want to take synthetic THC or they want to take the CBD that they've just done at the dialects and they want to be able to monetize that. But as we all know, it's the combination of all of these chemicals and it's the elegance in the way that the plant puts it together. That is where the magic happens. And you're not really going to be able to manufacture that in a lab, but you can sure as heck grow it in a greenhouse and make a pill out of it and get people much, much better. So it's it's like I've become a natural pass and I didn't realize it. But I probably should go to naturopaths school now and learn all about plant medicine, because we certainly didn't learn about this in in the traditional medical school that I attended.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:19:41] Sure. The doctor up or requested that. I want to ask you again, you were kind enough to talk about with me right before we started this recording. One of the things we noticed is in Jim Marty actually mentioned in the introduction to this is that you've been experimenting for these stood hussie with the possible uses of tabloids fighting post-partum depression. And the question that I had raised for you is where he is. Where does this fall out in the issue, if you will, between a mother who wants to be nursing her child, but is also badly postpartum depression and what the current standards are on whether or not it's okay for a mother who's nursing to be smoking or wine or taking care of this one way or another.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:20:23] Right. So as a board certified opg vion, the American College of opg Wine has a hard stop on cannabis use in pregnancy and breastfeeding in the mouse model. There are actual structural differences in the fetus's brain that persist and we don't know what the implications of that are. It is fairly unethical to study pregnant women and see what happens to their offspring. I mean, we can look back to thalidomide, which was a medicine given for a benign condition, and it resulted in limn loss and other maladies and terrible, terrible things. So we don't necessarily want to experiment now as somebody who has been around the block a few times. I can tell you that there are probably a lot of my patients that I was caring for unknowingly, knowingly, they were using, you know, and I didn't know it and nobody knew it, because in our culture, it's just not appropriate to disclose that we'll sic social services on them or whatever.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:21:28] So I do feel that there are some medications that are deemed legitimate by the overdue ends in the world.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:21:39] And I can tell you that they probably are more dangerous than Cannabis, but I don't have studies to prove that. And until I have studies to prove that, I have to just air on the side of caution and say it's a hard stop. We don't recommend that you use this while you're pregnant or breastfeeding. And as I was telling before, I can actually kind of understand the science of why people get postpartum depression theoretically, because if you're endocannabinoid system is dysfunctional or it's depleted, I can tell you that when you are nursing, you are menopausal, your estrogen levels are really, really low.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:22:20] And estrogen levels falling also cause an on demand to fall. Which is your endogenous endocannabinoid.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:22:28] So it makes complete sense that we should be able to supplement a breastfeeding mom with cannabinoids to make, you know, to get the anxiety to go away and the depression to go away.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:22:41] So I really look forward to the day where we have the ability to do that safely.

 

Gina Dubbe: [00:22:44] Leslie and I are in agreement that what we need in this country is for Cannabis to come off the Schedule 1 list because it restricts any kind of federally funded research. And so if we can move it to even Schedule 2, we can then start research and trials and the ability to get data.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:23:04] That's not anecdotal, but how healthily is it that I mean, what's at the dial X? What did that schedule that I hazard even guess? And what about synthetic THC that's scheduled 3? So how is the schedule? How is synthetic THC a schedule 3? And the plant is a schedule 1.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:23:23] I just I don't understand it because there is no one of the things that you and I try to avoid in our show is politics. But I can talk about this because this is political across the spectrum. I think that the government cover up of THC in marijuana. And, you know, there's the misinformation that's been spread religiously in this country for the last hundred years is, you know, maybe the worst cover up that we've ever faced, because not only have lives been ruined by people going to jail over something, they shouldn't be going to jail for the sake of all of the people who have been denied an opportunity for the healthful benefits, because as you point out very accurately, we can't study it. So we work we're in a horrible catch 22 where we say, well, we have nothing that shows us it's safe, but we're not allowed to test it to show that it's safe. So we're just going to let it sit here in limbo. And meanwhile, professionals such as yourself are out there in the field actually seeing the benefits that it provides. But no one doctor or even group of doctors can necessarily push that needle in the other direction. What we really need to do, I think, is, is to get our government leaders on board with us and change the nature of the message. And the more that they can hear about it from license to the registered and respected health care workers, certainly the better for all of us.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:24:35] I love what you say. I love how you said that. And I agree completely with everything you said. In fact, in the last appendix of our book, I talk a little bit about the history of cannabis in our country and actually in human history and how we got to this place that we're in today. But it is an absurd story and it would be fun to hang out at when Cauvin is over and have a drink and talk about all these things with you guys. But. Yeah, it's it's a big problem. You know, and I definitely feel a responsibility to be the thought leaders and to be the ones leading the charge. And it is exhausting because we are pushing the rock uphill just like this office did. And it's it's hard to change their recreationally minded people that we are surrounded by. But we really want to legitimize this medicine and we'll publish it and we'll go on The Today Show and we will do podcasts. Then we'll talk to whoever. And really, it's all about the education. So we're committed to it for sure.

 

Dan Humiston: [00:25:43] I want to take a quick break to thank you for listening to today's show and to invite you to listen to all the other great and JPL's Cannabis podcast, like Raising Cannabis Capital. The show which features Cannabis entrepreneurs that are raising money to expand their organization. Tune in each week on Thursdays and Sundays to hear founders of awesome Cannabis companies talking about their business and their fundraising plans. Who knows? Maybe you'll discover the future Amazon or Apple of Cannabis on the Raising Cannabis Capital podcast.

 

Jim Marty: [00:26:17] Really appreciate you being on our show today. And you know, this is the Desert Cannabis show, so we should talk some music. I understand you both have grown children and you know what kind of music you like. You know, what kind of experiences did you have with your kids growing up? Did you go to concerts with them like I did with our sons?

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:26:37] Well, we're really fortunate here in Maryland because we have Merriweather Post Pavilion that's just down the street and we've Meriweather closed last year. So we're able to see concerts all the time. My husband and I have a very eclectic sense of music, but I think. Well, first of all, let me just go ahead and say I did go to the Grateful Dead concert in Eugene, Oregon. I'm trying to remember what year it was, but I went in a VW bug. I'm just saying, not a.. A bus, a bus. A VW bus. Light blue. So and I have my Birkenstocks on my tie dye from back in the day. So, yes, I definitely was part of that. I think little feet open forum. I I am a child of the 80s, you know, so I have like the new wave. I got the U2. I've got. Imagine Dragons and everybody else in between. Certainly I keep my ear to what our kids are listening to and they often bring up really cool bands that I never would have heard of. And so I'm I will definitely say eclectic as my tastes. But one thing that is not in my playlist is Gina has on her playlist.

 

Gina Dubbe: [00:27:53] And I am definitely a country girl. I have listened to country music growing up in West Virginia through my whole life. And my children and my husband and I, we are country music fans. Zac Brown, Little Big Tail, Lady Antebellum. You know, we'll go off radar a little bit, but not to the degree Leslie does. So like most things less than are opposite on everything.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:28:18] Before we learn or just go, there is one last question I want to ask, because we touched on it at the opening and I think it's important to you. Please just give us and our listeners a two minute summary and review about your book. What kind of brought you to to decide to write it? You know where you've been going with it and the name how you got the name. Because we think it's great.

 

Gina Dubbe: [00:28:40] Well, we really have been asked everywhere we go on how we got into this industry. And so what we decided to do was really look back and give the chronology of how we got here with the pros and the college and the good and the bad. And so high heels is a nod to being female in a male dominated industry. And the fact that we have seen Cannabis care and change lives. So the book is actually h e l s it walks through how we did and some of the adversity that we encountered, like things that you wouldn't imagine the growers would sometimes sell to other dispensaries at half the price. We got it. Because the good ol boys club was alive and well. And now that we do a significant enough volume, we have a seat at the table. But it was hard to get there. So high heels walk you through that. It's basically a love letter or a cheer for anyone that wants to get into the industry. And it's encouragement on that. They can do it, too. It works. You buy it. You can buy it on Amazon in paperback or in Kindle. And we also just released it in Audible. Well, you can sit and listen to it in your car.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:29:50] Whoo hoo hoo! Who was the narrator? What are you with us? Even better. Fantastic. OK, well, that's great. Thanks. Is that. Yeah. That's. I saw that it was reading about that. And I love your business and everything you're doing, but I really love the fact that you took time to tell your story and get it out there, because I think it is important for the people to be able to see it. Right. If you guys can do it, then, you know, hopefully others will draw inspiration from that. And we'll have all sorts of people getting into the industry that we're hoping.

 

Jim Marty: [00:30:18] Leslie, Gina, thank you very much for being a guest on our show. And I look forward to meeting you in person someday, maybe on the marijuana track or maybe when I'm in in D.C. lobbying Congress on marijuana issues.

 

Leslie Apgar: [00:30:31] Well, we know we can't wait. We look forward to it. And we appreciate all that you guys are doing as well. But the good work.

 

Jim Marty: [00:30:37] Now, that was a great interview, Larry. Those two ladies are doing great work for the industry. But let's talk about some music. The only good news I have right now in the middle of a pandemic is that getting company and fish have not canceled their summer tours yet. So let's hope they ride this out and go on tour this summer. I'm definitely looking forward to the debted company shows, I believe July 9th and 10th at Folsom Field to start the tour has got a lot of shows lined up, including there'll be a GICs on Labor Day weekend once again for the 12th year in a row. What do you got, Larry?

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:31:17] Well, you know, look, for right now, it's just nice to have that out there as a possibility. If circumstances dictate that they have to change, then they will. But yeah, I mean, he hit it any time. It was always, you know, you kind of get to these you know, I kind of call the dog days of winter where I can't decide if it's winter or if it's spring or it's what. There was always a Grateful Dead spring tour, a Grateful Dead summer tour to look through and to look forward to kind of pull you through that time. And yes, right now, I'm certainly looking forward to a summer tour for either or both of our favorite bands and hoping they get out there. But as we talked about you. We don't have to starve. In the meantime, Fitch still has their Tuesday night dinner and a movie. Unfortunately, I was not able to get the listing for what shoulders that they're going to be streaming tonight for the recipe for tonight. But then I also discovered that on Saturday evenings, I believe it's 7:00 Central Time, nug dot net nuggets, dot net is showing daddy company show. So this past Saturday night, they showed the they had the show from last year at Wrigley Field. And it's always one of my favorite shows that they play to see because it was a great show and it was a lot of fun. But right at the very end of the second set, they were playing, Mama tried. And Bobby was playing his acoustic guitar because he had switched over to acoustic at some point the middle of the set to one of the songs they were playing.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:32:45] And they ended mine, tried in a way that was really kind of sad and and didn't really sound all that great. But, you know, if you'd gone to that shows often enough, you know, sometimes they end with a bang and sometimes they end with a thud. But all of a sudden onstage you could see it. Now, to be able to see the video and actually have a very close up to the stage and see what was going on, it was great. Bobby was all excited about something and he switched out. He put on his electric guitar and went around. All the band members kept certainly his finger around in the air and went back out and carried it down three to one. They jumped right back into the end of March to try to. I turned 21 in prison the last last go through and played it all the way through. And then they played it into a beautiful transition, the wolf. And then they played Wolf like to close out the show. And, you know, I mean, come on. In all my years and you going to see the dead. I never saw it. What band? What musicians are basically rehearsing on stage. Right. And say, you know, I don't like the way that's that. Let's go back and play the end of that one more time that it's you know, it's that kind of stuff that you see. You're like, right. This is like you going to see him. So I agree that I'm hoping that this summer tour is going full force and we're out there dance at the West Texas.

 

Jim Marty: [00:33:53] Well, thank you, Larry.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:33:54] And before we go, I just have to say and I'm sorry. I know this is going to be a little bit painful for you because it's not your birthday yet, but for everybody else out there in the world.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:34:04] June 1976, box set is now delivered. Jim gets his on his birthday in May. So he's just going to have to listen to us talk about it for a little while. I'm here to tell everybody out there that it's it's amazing. It's you know, people talk about 73 and they talk about 77. They talk about these years, Jim. The last couple of weeks you've been teasing this. And one of the things that you've always been very strong on, these were the first shows after the one year break. So they were all refreshed and ready to go. And most importantly, it was the first round of shows since they came out with Blues for Allah and to be able to hear these original versions of hope all the way Slipknot, Franklins and all the other songs off of that album that they that they're playing is just tremendous. Again, on the very first night, the first night in Boston that opens the whole box set thing. They have a beautiful version of Jerry's mission in the rain.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:34:54] It's just filled with wonderful little things like that that just really make it worthwhile. So I'm even looking forward to your birthday because I want you to get listen this. You and I could start talking about it.

 

Jim Marty: [00:35:05] Well, I just hear that helps with songs on the Grateful Dead, serious radio stations. And I have heard some of it. And it does crystal clear and amazing. People I have been listening to some 1977 shows were again, great recordings by Betty cancer.. They call those Betty boards. Yep, that's right. Now they're soon to C.D.. Well, very good. I think that's all for this episode of the Deadhead Cannabis shows. So thank you very much, Larry. And from Longmont, Colorado, this is Jim Marty saying goodbye for now. Larry, you want to sign Larry Mishkin signing off?

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:35:46] Tell you everyone stay healthy.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:35:48] Listen, the Grateful Dead and enjoy some Cannabis a little help time go by faster. Thanks, everyone.

 

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