Deadhead Cannabis Show

Bob Hoban | Hoban Law Group

Episode Summary

Being a life long deadhead has impacted his legal practice. On this very special episode of the Deadhead Cannabis show Jim Marty and Larry Mishkin talk with Bob Hoban of Hoban Law Group. Bob Hoban is the founder of Hoban Law Group one of the world's largest cannabis law firms. He talks about how the Grateful Dead philosophy's apply to the cannabis industry, he also shares behind the scene stories of using the bands lyrics in his legal and business practices. Produced by PodCONX https://podconx.com/guests/bob-hoban https://podconx.com/guests/larry-mishkin https://podconx.com/guests/jim-marty https://podconx.com/guests/rob-hunt

Episode Notes

Being  a life long deadhead has impacted his legal practice.   

On this very special episode of the Deadhead Cannabis show Jim Marty and Larry Mishkin talk with  Bob Hoban of Hoban Law Group.   Bob Hoban is the founder of Hoban Law Group  one of the world's largest cannabis law firms.   He talks about how the Grateful Dead philosophy's apply to the cannabis industry, he also shares behind the scene stories of using the bands lyrics in his legal and business practices. 

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Episode Transcription

 

[00:00:00] So it looks like.

 

Jim Marty: [00:00:36] Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Deadhead Cannabis show. Jim Marty here reporting from very warm and mid 90s Fort Collins, Colorado, today.

 

Jim Marty: [00:00:46] I just was touring a CBD extraction lab up here in Fort Collins. Larry, how you doing out there in Chicagoland, Jim?

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:00:55] I'm doing just fine today. Everything is great in Chicago. We have beautiful weather. Everything is going just fine here. I'm still waiting for the state to give us the names of the winners of the dispensaries. And surprisingly, I had a client over the weekend who got a deficiency notice, which is only troubling because it means it's at least another 10 days before the state can make an announcement.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:01:18] So, you know, we're all starting to wonder here, clients,  want to know when we're going to have answers, but we're working on it. Without beating around the Bush team, we've got a really special show today. And let's make the most of it. We've had a number of people on this show from time to time. People in the industry, people affiliated with the Grateful Dead and even some people who kind of have a foot in both camps. But today we have a guest who really is special and may be a truly unique in this regard with respect to both the command he has of what's going on in the Cannabis industry as well as his. And I know this firsthand, unbridled love for the Grateful Dead. He has started one of the most successful Cannabis law firms in the country, if not the world. He has an international scope, both in his Hemp practice and a very strong based marijuana practice here in the United States. And I think he's really looked at by a number of people as as one of the leading people in the industry. And I would like to introduce then my colleague and the practice of law and a gentleman who is honest, as any Denver man can be, Bob Hope and Bob. Thank you and welcome to the show today.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:02:32] A pleasure to be here, guys. It's been long overdue. I've been looking into what you guys have put together over time, and it's always entertaining and really happy to be here. So thanks for having me.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:02:45] Absolutely. One of the questions, Bob, that I wanted to ask you right away is I know you get on shows and everybody wants to know when's marijuana going legal? What's the what's the latest with CBD and ah ah ah. Excuse me. Our listeners are always all interested in that. But you kind of provide us today with a kind of a unique opportunity. And that is one of the things that's always attracted me to your law firm and that got me interested with you in the first place was kind of the seamless way that you folded together. Both the practice of law for Cannabis as well as your love for the Grateful Dead. And it really got me thinking. You've been so successful with it, in your opinion that how does the Grateful Dead resonate with today's business leaders? You've really made it a point in your practice to regularly reference the Grateful Dead lyrics and other things like that. And while it's a lot of fun, I sense that there is a real purpose behind it. And I was curious as to what kind of brought you down that road and what results you've seen.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:03:45] That's a great point. I mean, ultimately, the Grateful Dead lyrics mean so much more to Grateful Dead change, I think, than other lyrics from other bands, because the catalog, the library is so darn diverse.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:04:04] When you go from a song like Shakedown Street to Tarakan station, what the heck is that?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:04:10] You know?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:04:10] I mean, how did that come out of the same band? When you think about those things? They talked about innovation, but it's also more about the experience. It's about the live shows. It's about the collaboration with people. That really is the undercurrent. It's the common denominator between folks that are Grateful Dead fans and really focus on the lyrics as it relates to business. You know, I recognized many years ago that this space was getting high and the Cannabis industry was something that was going to be extremely in need of legal counsel and consultants and advisers going forward, because it was something that was sprung from night into the sun. And all of a sudden here we are years later. And there's there's a lot besides this, the sage wisdom of the lyrics to look at it. It translates to business.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:05:00] I mean, think about it. The Grateful Dead. They've mastered improvization. If you're not an improviser as a business owner, especially of small or medium sized business owners, then you don't have a chance. This Grateful Dead demonstrate how you can live by your values, right. How did they succeed? By doing good as a law firm. You certainly have to have that integrity. You have to have those values. And the industry values are something that people in the industry ultimately follow and make sure that you are who you say you are. The Grateful Dead also pioneered customer service in a certain respect, or at least customer value. I mean, think about it. What exemplifies being loyal to their customers, their listeners, their fans, more than making all of the content free. Getting to provide value to that customer. Providing ticket services that that that circumvented Ticketmaster and the like.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:05:56] Over the years. So there's a lot of things you can learn from the Grateful Dead as it relates to business. Those are just a handful of things.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:06:02] And I'm curious, in your in your practice, if you had people respond specifically to that and take note of what you're doing.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:06:12] I get notes all the time. I get by the way, I probably shouldn't say this, but there's a little game we play whenever I have a talk or whenever we're on a conference call. And it depends if there's some other Deadhead fans you try to work. Lyrics into everything.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:06:28] And it's a game where you awarded points and the points really don't count. And they don't matter and there's no object objectivity around what points.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:06:36] But the bigger the stage, the higher profile the audience, the more points you get for working in tactfully and appropriately. And suddenly Grateful Dead lines and people find them. And then people that read what we put out as a law firm and that listen to our podcast the whole minute they listen to it and they say, well, you know, that was a great way to work that line in. Or, you know, you talk about your work as advocacy and you talk about your work out in the field. And you say something like, I spent a little time on the mountain, I spent a little time on the Hill meeting Capitol Hill. Like people like those things.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:07:13] And it attracts them to you because it shows that there are layers to the person behind the business person, especially as lawyers, like as lawyers. We get put in a box all too often. And if you look at people that use Grateful Dead lyrics that have high levels of success, it's not limited to lawyers and it's not certainly with limited to the Grateful Dead to think of a great deal, what you know, as he now rates a basketball game and how he works lyrics into that, it's pretty profound. It puts a smile on your face and it makes you appreciate that person's contribution much more.

 

Jim Marty: [00:07:44] I agree. I do the same thing from time to time. One of my favorites when I'm negotiating a business deal is a one man gathers where another man spills.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:07:57] I just going to say that's a great line. It's a great line to talk about the different uses of Hemp. We always find that. What about the stuff that you leave in the field after you take the flowers in the CBD off of it? One man's going to gather that because there's business to be made.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:08:11] That's true. That's very true.

 

Jim Marty: [00:08:13] And back to Robert Hunter's lyrics as I try to explain to the Deadheads say it's like Shakespeare. It's poetry. One hundred percent.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:08:23] Well, I think that's true. And, you know, we've talked about this, Jim, before. And Bob, you and I have had this conversation as well. But, you know, the thing about that is that Robert Hunter's lyrics could stand alone, you know, with or without the music. They stand alone as wonderful poetry. The fact that Garcia put and, you know, we're put such beautiful music to it as well. You know, really just takes it to another level. But, you know, my favorite line is what would fish be like if Trayon Astacio had Robert Hunter writing lyrics for him?

 

Jim Marty: [00:08:52] That's right. I love this great band. But you know, the lyrics to Rebel versus, say, Susie Greenberg. No comparison.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:09:03] That's that's that's very, very true. That's very true.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:09:06] So, Bob, I'm curious, in your you know, do you find that you're constantly bumping into other Deadheads along the way so you find dead heads in the strangest of places, perhaps if you look at it, right?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:09:21] Yes, exactly. The the the things that did occur to me is when I weave in a line, for example, we were talking to a group of investors recently and, you know, the idea of plant, you plant ice you're going to harvest when that came out and it came out naturally. And even that's important thing about using these lines. It's got to come up suddenly and in context and be appropriate. That can't be preplanned. Yes.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:09:48] So when you say that and then somebody comes up to afterwards and go, hey, I heard you're big Grateful Dead fan. I said, well, didn't you happen to notice? Oh, you know, I thought that's what you were getting at. But I wasn't sure. It just sounded like such an artful way to make your point. And that's another reason, Larry, that this makes it that that this works so well. You know, forcing something in there, you're using it. It's an artful way of saying something you otherwise would have said. And it's inspired written by the Grateful Dead. And by the way, I must know, you talk about hunting. Let's not leave John Terry Barlow out there, man. I was just up in Wyoming last week and drove through Corer, Wyoming, where he was from. And, you know, reminds me of this great story Bobby tells about what he wrote saying the circumstance and the thunderstorms that came across the Wyoming high plains and saw one of those. Right at that point in time, as we would say, it was a giant purple rogue thunderstorm that just came rolling over the mountains, dropping like lightning and thunder everywhere. So it was it was pretty awesome.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:10:48] That's funny. You know what's interesting to me here and the three of us, I think, really kind of are perfect examples.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:10:56] You know, my father was always really concerned about me running off to all these Grateful Dead shows. Right. All who are these people you're hanging out with and who are these crazy Deadheads and who are these? And yet, if you stop and you'll look at the number of successful business people in this world who are, in fact Deadheads, I think it freaks pretty well for the people that find themselves hooked into the Grateful Dead.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:11:16] Well, yes. And let me give you an example of that in real time. I was down in Mexico for the dead and company playing in the sand just in January. And I guess that was the end of January, early February, and this was right before it really started to have any impact across the United States. And it's the second year in a row I'd gone to the plains in the sand. And while that was it's a great event. One thing you notice is the level. And by the way, it's not inexpensive to go to playing in the sand. They price it accordingly. They know their audience. Right. It does attract a level of professionals who have gotten to a certain point their life and that can afford that. And we saw that you see that firsthand in that makeup of that crowd. Business leaders from all over the world. You've got people that recognized their faces from the front of Forbes magazine just walking by in a tie dye with a beer in their hand. That's the kind of crowd at the dead edge I've evolved into. Not to suggest that it's all like that or that that means some are better than others, because that's not the case at all. But it does have a disproportionately large group of highly successful professionals that follow the dead.

 

Jim Marty: [00:12:27] Have you found.

 

Jim Marty: [00:12:28] Have you found the same thing, Jim, to fill in a little story along those lines? My wife and I were lucky enough to we saw some red rock shows in August, September of 1983, and then we followed them down to Santa Fe for a couple of shows in September of 1983. And six months later, we started our own CPA firm. So big inspiration to me.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:12:54] Sure, sure. It's it's a great way to go sometimes, you know. For me, I've always just like the fact that when I'm sitting in my office, I have a Grateful Dead poster on the wall.

 

Jim Marty: [00:13:02] Yeah, me too. And a lot of ways they represent freedom.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:13:06] They really do. They really do. It's it's it's a it's a great thing, Bob, along those lines, something we like to do with our with our guests who come on the show, who have a little bit of a Grateful Dead background, is when was the first time you saw the Grateful Dead?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:13:19] You know, when you submit that note the other day, probably back October 26, 1985, in Tampa, Florida, I was about just a little over 10 years old and my uncle had brought me to a show. I just remembered the song Throwing Stones and that setlist and just, you know, what a powerful anthem that was, perhaps. And, you know, you talk about, you know, liberty and you talk about that freedom, the great fear that typically stands for that. But it also stands for social activism, some of the other ways attenuated to the second set of that show. And you've got a really, really long and deep women are smarter, which you knew that wasn't an go. I go, by the way. You know, it was it was pretty remar, right?

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:14:03] Exactly. I used to drive me crazy 50 years ago.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:14:07] Well, so 10 years old. Boy, I think you take the record for the for the youngest first show that we've had on the show so far. Very impressive. Do you have a recollection of it? I mean, you really recall enjoying it at the time as a 10 year old?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:14:19] Well, I guess so. And so's was the first one that might have been the seventh race song in the show, if I remember correctly, at the beginning of it. I was just awed by what was going on around me and the people. And then that was the song that sort of got me to go, Wow, I get it. Or at least I feel something now. And then, you know, from that point forward, it was more about the music that show, if I remember. But, you know, even going back, I know you guys were talking about the 30 well shows the other day. You know, the same thing I recognize as a 10 year old. It's the same thing I recognize at the fairly well shows. When you look around that, then whatever it might be, there were 10 year olds. There were 78 year olds. There was everywhere in between. There were people and we chose wheelchairs. The women, there were women. There were people of all shapes, sizes and colors. And that is ultimately what the Grateful Dead shows were all about. And that's what the thing back when I was 10 years old that impressed me the most. I was standing next to my uncle, who was an old guy at the time, probably, you know, 40 plus or minus. Right. An old guy, quote, unquote. And looking around two guys that were probably 60 at the time. And these are even older guys. Right. And then looking around and now we're the old guys and there's another younger generation below us. It's a pretty darn cool thing to be a part of. And it really represents the timeless element of the music. The music stands for something much more than just the notes on a piece of paper and the words like you said, Jim. It's poetry. It means something for people. It's shaped people's lives so deeply. It's certainly shaped mine.

 

Jim Marty: [00:16:31] So, Bob, what did you do before you started Hoban law.? And what inspired you? You talked a little bit at the top of the show to devote a law firm to the Cannabis industry.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:16:43] That's a great question. So before I went to law school, obviously before I went to law school, I worked for the U.S. government on the East Coast in Manhattan, graduating from Rutgers University. I had just a hankering to get out to the west, to the Rocky Mountains. I did a lot of mountain biking. I did a lot of backpacking and climbing in the West. And I decided I wanted to move out there. So I decided to apply to law school in Montana and Wyoming to get as far away from New Jersey and the East Coast as I could. And so I went to law school in Wyoming, ultimately started to recognize that I probably would like to live in the front range in Denver rather than in Wyoming. And as that evolved, different opportunities came along. I worked for a couple of judges which are federal court judge. I work for a state court judge. I worked for a a spin off of a large firm in Denver that was called Davis, Graham and Stubbs, and then began to do commercial litigation at a pretty high level. I began to do a lot of property rights litigation and I decided to start my own law firm in two thousand eight. Incidentally, the firm at the time was called Hoban law.. Incidentally, that was around the time my mother was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a couple of years into it. In fact, she died in July 2008. And that's how I began to consider Cannabis as a viable practice area. I never wanted to be a criminal defense attorney. I've never practiced criminal law a day in my life. I always wanted to be someone that made things happen.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:18:21] That was on the negotiation side, although I did litigate a lot of commercial matters on a large dollar disputes between large companies. Now, as things evolve, I started to help my mom understand with pancreatic cancer. What were viable legal, importantly, legal options for using Cannabis. If she'd even try it, she would never smoke anything. And that led me to find these caregiver networks online. Here in Colorado under our legal medical marijuana system. But there weren't dispensaries at the time. So these folks begin to, you know, sometimes you'd call them and it's a hit and I get the best stuff in town and you'd say, duly noted. And then the next person you'd say, I'm looking for something from my mother and they say will come by I oil or a cracker or something like that that she could track. And so we did those things as well. But that led me to say, well, I'm an attorney. How can I help you establish this commercially? And one thing led to another. We want a case on December 30th, 2009, first time in U.S. history that a court told a local municipality that it could not shut down a marijuana business because it was a constitutional right in Colorado to be a caregiver, which contained commercial rights to cultivate and distribute medical marijuana. So the rest is history. That case went down. My face was on CNN all over the news. And for the next four to six months, we were chock full of new clients wanting to navigate the space, both in Colorado and around the country. And here we are today.

 

Jim Marty: [00:19:48] Very good drug. In fact, my relationship with your law firm started when you were helping NCLR.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:19:54] Oh, Jim. Yeah. Well, we go back a long time. If you think about some of these seminars in backrooms and in small venues with some of the earlier marijuana operators across the city of Denver and across the state of Colorado. It's interesting how far we've come. You know, this is overplayed, but it has been a long, strange trip for sure.

 

Jim Marty: [00:20:15] You get that in there? Yes, sir. I think you and I might have won a case or two. You hired me as an expert.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:20:21] Yes, sir. I remember that specifically. At least one of them. And I remember the look on the other lawyer's face when you testified in arbitration and completely sent their case. I forget specifically what the issue was right now. But but I recall that vividly. You did excellent on the stand and the client was very pleased, which ultimately is the goal. But, you know, one of the reasons that you're successful is one of the reasons that we're all successful. The folks on the phone is because some folks look for answers, others look for fights. Sometimes as a lawyer, you have to fight. But if you're always looking for answers, you're always looking to solve the problem with answers, which is, I think, a common bond between the three of us. Then you're going to succeed no matter what you do.

 

Jim Marty: [00:21:05] Yeah. Well, as they say, that path as follow your steps alone.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:21:09] Bob, you earlier you mentioned in passing with the hope in minute, which I know is your podcast, you want to give our listeners a 30 second update on what happens on the Hoban minute?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:21:20] Yeah, I'd love to thank you for that. The Hope Admitted is hosted by Eric Cingular. You are a young man that's just dynamic and helps helps us steer topics in interviews with some of the leaders around the world in this space. And it's you know, I wouldn't say it's a serious show, but it's certainly the topics we address are very timely. We had entire two week session that led to two months of sessions all about covered and Cannabis with people checking in from all over the world. And it's gotten a lot of attention. So we're very excited about that. It's an opportunity for us to show what our lawyers do and what our clients do and really put his perspective on the global Cannabis industry, because that's really, really interesting, just to see how this things evolve and how the eyes of the world are on us right now. Is this industry grows. I mean, every single day we're all doing something professionally that either hasn't been done before or has been done very few times because this industry was all underground until relatively recently.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:22:26] So it's something we should all be proud of.

 

Jim Marty: [00:22:29] I have one more question as we get near the end here with all the social unrest going on. You think it's a springboard for legalized Cannabis at the federal level?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:22:39] Well, I think there's several things that lead to that. Number one is the the endemic. If you think about medical marijuana, it made some of its greatest public policy advances during the AIDS epidemic in the United States from a policy perspective. So we've got a track record as a as a industry of moving forward regulations when it can assert itself. And certainly here with a public health impact, we've seen that the federal government has assembled a team to look at cannabinoids as a way to mitigate or prevent the protein hook that's attached to the coated the corona virus from attaching to the human body. Looking at the fact that cannabis is an essential business in so many jurisdictions around the U.S., but also around the world, looking at the history of the Great Depression and how alcohol legalization prohibition ended as a result of looking at it as an economic opportunity and a social justice opportunity coming out of the Great Depression and looking at what's happening in Latin America right this second, where we have nationalized health care systems actively asserting themselves and saying we want to integrate medicinal cannabis. And then the politicians are following them up and saying, we want to look at cannabis as an economic driver.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:23:55] So all of those things lead to, I think, fundamental change as it relates to public policy around Cannabis. And I think that the the racial injustice that led to the League of the Prohibition of marijuana as being highlighted by the racial justices that we see in the protest subject matter today. Those things are a dubstep if if the Cannabis community can band together, come up with a cohesive plan. And these are all discussions that are underway with part of those discussions that we believe that we can assert ourselves as an industry, promote racial harmony, promote racial progress in terms of social impact, and also look at the legalization Cannabis, which again was made illegal due to reasons based and rooted in racial injustice and racism from the beginning. So what a greater symbol that we've achieved, the social changes that we're hoping to achieve through these protests and through the unrest in America right now by showing that Cannabis legality and prohibition has been ended at the federal level. Now, there's an election in November.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:24:59] I don't know if you guys knew that there's an election in November.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:25:02] And it's basically I don't want to say it because I don't think this sits well to everybody. But I think we have to be honest with ourselves. It's a coin toss. Who's going to win this election in November? And Joe Biden has not been necessarily a friend to the Cannabis industry as a thing. So we have to stay very much in tune and push the agenda from the Democrat administration of potential administration as to what they're going to do with Cannabis. And, you know, your guess is as good as mine with a potential second term of the Trump administration would do. But let's let's see what we can do to look after the industry as it relates to those policy topics.

 

Jim Marty: [00:25:42] Well, I think that is a very good way to end things today. Larry, do you have anything else?

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:25:48] I just want to ask Bob one last question as we talk about all of this. And, you know, you told us your story, Bob, sitting here today. Are you are you amazed at where this Cannabis industry has come from 2008 when you were first, you know, beginning to pay attention to it? Did you have any reason to ever believe that the Cannabis would grow to the point that it's grown to today?

 

Bob Hoban: [00:26:09] The thought of having a regulated dispensary system in Colorado at that time was the most exciting thing I could possibly imagine from a policy and legal standpoint and ruined. Right. I also taught at the University of Denver Cannabis policy from to 2011 to. 60. So being able to teach Cannabis policy courses with a straight face and being able to look at a dispensary system, that was the most exciting thing that I could ever possibly imagine. And then CBD and the Kernaghan OIDs from Industrial Hemp happened at the federal level under these strange political times. And now it's a global industry. I could never have imagined that those things would have occurred and that those things would have afforded me an opportunity to work with clients and, you know, just have some fun working in this industry and dancing. Pretty serious issues. But one thing I just want to mark as it relates to today is I just read this article a couple of hours ago at the Nassau Coliseum. By the way, gentlemen, the Nassau Coliseum looks like it's being closed down. It's all dead. Billionaire owner of the Barclays Center and the team's poker off. He's basically said he's going to close it. Now, there is a debt scenario so it could come back. But let's focus on the Grateful Dead for just a second. There was 40 some shows at the National Coliseum the night when you think of the other day that think about what your favorite shows were. I go back to these NASL Coliseum shows from the early 80s because it was Bobby Rock Star.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:27:42] It was fast. It was Mingo. What it was like. Oh, sure, it was West L.A. Fade Away being developed. And Cassity, by the way, in 1984, he show, which is my daughter's name.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:27:54] So I love those NASL can't see him shows from the early 80s fast right to the point. And just exciting. But we might not see the NASL can't see him anymore, even though deadend companies play there. Fairly recent.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:28:07] Well, that's you're right. And that's too bad, because the other day my son called me and he said he was participating in some online thing where you had to identify a different song every day.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:28:16] And the theme was the other day, a song from a band that you wish you had seen. And of course, for him, he wished you'd seen the Grateful Dead. And he wanted to do eyes of the world. And besides the fact that I loved that my kid knew right away to go the eyes of the world without me prompting him, he calls me up and he says, Dad, I need a good version of Eyes the World. I'm like, Now, Sakala, see Coliseum. Branford Marsalis on that alto sax. That's it. That's what you wanna listen to. And you're right. Every time I think of the necessar Coliseum, forget about the New York Islanders. I just think of tremendous dead shows.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:28:44] Tremendous dead. Yes. Well, we'll get back to that. That's that's a good thing. And that also means that you're raising your children, right, Larry?

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:28:54] Well, you know, that's that's I have to tell you, Bob. Jim and I have had this conversation as his kids are the same way.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:28:59] You know, there's not a single album in my father's record collection that I would ever listen to. And he never had any interest in listening to what I listened to. And now my kids can't get enough of the Grateful Dead all of a sudden. And they love the fact that all this music I made them listen to for all these years. All of a sudden they say, wow, this is really good. We really liked it a lot. And for me, the fact that I can share this kind of music and experience with my kids is what makes it most fun of all.

 

Jim Marty: [00:29:22] Well, I think we've all raised our kids the right way. I've always taught them that there ain't no time to hate.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:29:28] That's right. That's right. Very true to that. Absolutely. Bob, this has been great. We just can't thank you enough for all for taking the time to be on the show today for our listeners out there.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:29:41] If you want to listen to the hoeben minutes, you can get a link to it by going to Hoban law. DOT law, which is the firm's Web site. And there's all sorts of good information there about the firm and all the lawyers. But you can certainly get a link to Bob's podcast. I would strongly encourage people who have an interest in the Cannabis industry and want to be up to speed with what's going on at the moment. That's a great place to learn about it. And you can count the number of dead references you hear. So, Bob, thank you so much for coming on our show today.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:30:09] My pleasure. Guys, thanks for having me.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:30:11] And I'm excited to coalition and to keep listening to you guys as you debate these topics.

 

Bob Hoban: [00:30:19] And I love those getting outside the Grateful Dead a little bit as well when you talk about the fish and some of the. So keep keep the good stuff. Come and gentlemen.

 

Jim Marty: [00:30:28] We will indeed. Again, thank you very much. And this is Jim Marty signing off from sunny and warm. Fort Collins, Colorado.

 

Larry Mishkin: [00:30:36] And this is Larry Myshkin saying goodbye. Thank you all for listening. Thank you to our guests, Bob Hoban from the Hoban law. Group. And everyone, have a good week. Thank you all.

 

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