"Celebrating July 4th with Grateful Dead Memories and Rolling Stones Reverence" Larry Mishkin highlights a memorable Grateful Dead concert from July 1984 at Pine Knob Music Theater in Clarkston, Michigan, which holds special significance for Larry and his friends who attended the University of Michigan. He reflects on how attending this concert was a fitting farewell for his crew as they wrapped up their college years
"Celebrating July 4th with Grateful Dead Memories and Rolling Stones Reverence"
Larry Mishkin highlights a memorable Grateful Dead concert from July 1984 at Pine Knob Music Theater in Clarkston, Michigan, which holds special significance for Larry and his friends who attended the University of Michigan. He reflects on how attending this concert was a fitting farewell for his crew as they wrapped up their college years.
The show begins with the Grateful Dead's lively rendition of "Iko Iko," a song with a rich history and a favorite of Larry's. He shares his experiences of following the Dead's tour in 1984, which included several memorable concerts. He discusses the band's performance of "Little Red Rooster," a blues classic by Willie Dixon, and how it sometimes felt like a letdown after high-energy openers but ultimately captivated the audience with its jam session.
Larry then shifts to music news, discussing the origins of the song "Cover of the Rolling Stone" by Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show, written by Shel Silverstein. He highlights Silverstein's diverse contributions to music and literature, including his work with Johnny Cash and Dr. Hook.
The episode transitions to Larry's recent experience at a Rolling Stones concert at Soldier Field in Chicago. He recounts the thrill of seeing the Stones live, especially with Mick Jagger's energetic performance and the band's enduring musical prowess. The setlist included classics like "Start Me Up," "Wild Horses," "Sympathy for the Devil," "Gimme Shelter," and "Jumpin' Jack Flash." Larry praises the band's longevity and urges listeners to seize any opportunity to see the Rolling Stones live. In more music news, Larry introduces Daniel Donato, a rising star in the Cosmic Country genre, who recently performed at the Chop Shop in Chicago. He expresses his admiration for Donato's music, hinting at a promising future for the young artist.
July 1, 1984
Pine Knob Music Theater
Clarkston, MI (Detroit)
The last night in Ann Arbor, what better way to say goodbye after 4 amazing years than go to a “hometown” Dead show. Our whole crew was there, Harold’s birthday, great seats in the pavilion and a memorable show. Always memorable when they start out like this:
INTRO: Iko Iko
Track #1
0:10 – 1:36
SHOW No. 1: Little Red Rooster
Track #2
5:00 – 6:48
MUSIC NEWS:
SHOW No. 2: Might As Well
Track # 8
1:07 – 2:45
SHOW No. 3: I Need A Miracle
Track # 16
1:47 – 3:17
MJ NEWS:
SHOW No. 4: Bertha
Track # 17
3:24 – 5:00
OUTRO: It’s All Over Now Baby Blue
Track #19
5:10 – 6:33
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to do.
No, you know what? I'm fine for now. That's OK. OK, I'm ready.
Larry (00:42.286)
Hey everyone, happy Fourth of July almost. Welcome to another episode of the Deadhead Cannabis Show. This is Larry Mishkin from Chicago. It's a beautiful day here. I hope it's a beautiful day wherever you are. We've got a tremendous show we're going to feature today as we welcome in July. This is a show from 40 years ago today, 1984, Pine Knob Music Theater in Clarkston, Michigan, just outside of Detroit. It was a little background the last night in Ann Arbor.
michigan for a large part of my crew who i had in there with for four years going to michigan and see the dead what better way to say goodbye than to go to a you know quote unquote hometown dead show the dead at that point we're still not playing in an arbor and wouldn't play there again until nineteen eighty nine but you know thirty minutes away from an arbor forty minutes over for it was we consider it a hometown show the whole crew was there was my good buddy herald's birthday for those of you listening last week you know that
We had come home early for his surprise birthday on July 1st. We had great seats in the pavilion and a very memorable show and a show with the Grateful Dead is always memorable when it starts out like this.
Larry (03:26.99)
Iko Iko what a great song by the Grateful Dead just such the party tune credit goes to the Dixie Cups for writing and recording although there's a long history of the tune we've gone through it before Grateful Dead loved to play it 185 times first show first time was May 15th 1977 in St. Louis at the arena last time was July 5th 1995 at Ruber
Riverport Amphitheater in Maryland Heights or St. Louis. I get a kick out of the fact that one of my all -time favorite dead tunes was played for the first and last time in St. Louis. 1984 was a very busy year for me, seeing the dead. I saw five shows on the spring tour, three nights at Red Rocks, summer tour stops in Cuyahoga Falls, in Indianapolis at the Outdoor National Tennis Clay Courts, where they served very funky drinks. Then this show at Pine Knob.
than two nights at Alpine Valley. So these were my first shows, my first shows ever at Alpine Valley, and ultimately the shows that were the end of the tour. It was not a bad way to close out my college slash intro to dead stage of my life, and this show is a big part of it. They came out of Aurora and Iko Iko, and as they tend to do sometimes, immediately dropped into this next blues classic.
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Little Red Rooster, a blues classic, credited to arranger and songwriter Willie Dixon. The song was first recorded in 1961 by American blues musician Holland Wolf. The Chicago blues style recorded in Chicago with Chess Records in June of 61, released in October 61 with Shake for Me on the B side.
Rolling Stones were one of the first real rock groups to record modern electric blues songs, certainly one of the first British groups to do so. In 64, they recorded Little Red Rooster with original band member Brian Jones, a key player in the recording. Their rendition, which remains closer to the original arrangement than the earlier Sam Cooke cover, became a number one record in the UK and continues to be the only blues song to reach the top of the British chart.
The Stones frequently performed it on television and in concert and released several live recordings of the song Little Red Rooster. It continues to be performed and recorded making it one of Willie Dixon's best known compositions. The song was played frequently by the Grateful Dead from the very beginning until the very end. They played it 275 times, first on May 5th, 1965 at Magoo's Pizza Parlor in Menlo Park, California and played it right up to the very last night, July 9th, 1995.
at Soldier Field. It was almost always an early first set song. I never saw Bobby open with it, but it was frequently his first song of the set leading to sets like Scarlet into Fire, Little Red Rooster, or Help Slip Frank, Little Red Rooster. So we would have these huge openers. And then when you heard the first few notes of Rooster, it always felt like a letdown. Not because the song itself wasn't a great song, but it was this huge, uplifting
total momentum, energy, opener to kind of a more standard, slow moving blues song. It could kind of suck the air out of the room for a minute. But they didn't care, and why should they? They loved it, and they jammed on it, and it rotated regularly in the lineup with C .C. Ryder, Minglewood Blues, Walkin Blues, and some other blues they might throw in there from time to time. But here, notably, I was just playing the jam because while Bobby sings it very well,
Larry (08:51.662)
And sometimes with Brent chiming in and they kind of have these caddy verses going back and forth where Brent sings Little Red Rooster, you ain't shit to me and all this stuff. Not in this version, unfortunately, because I would have played it, but we always got a kick out of that. And each time I heard it and had that kind of energy let down, it was this jam that always brought me right back into the tune.
you know by the end of it you're like now this is great song of course i love the song you know it just you have to ride the flow but you know when you're when you're really going strong on the right stuff and they come out they open with a scarlet fire and you just think the whole world's gonna take off and who knows what they might play that night and then you know it's the standard little red rooster right tom which again doesn't make it a bad song i guess if anything it it it like went from being a wildly unpredictable beginning into a much more predictable
set where you thought, okay, this isn't gonna be a set where they're gonna just go flying off into some other different direction. But as I say, at the end of the day, with Jerry and Bobby jamming on it, the band really getting into it, Brent whaling on the keyboard. It was a great jam to listen to, and by the middle of that jam, like I say, and right up through the end, we'd be rocking and rolling with it hard, and just having a great time. So...
Yeah, Little Red Rooster. The night was just getting started for the Ann Arbor crew. And we will be getting back to that more in a minute. But we're going to switch over to music news, because by gosh, we've got a lot to talk about today. Dan, what do you got for us?
Larry (10:45.262)
Dan knows how to pull them out. The cover of the Rolling Stone, which was a great tune when we were kids. I mean, I was literally a kid. It was first recorded by the American rock group Dr. Hook and the Medicine Show. It was released in 1972. It was the band's third single. It peaked at number six in the US pop charts for two weeks on March 17th to 24th, 1970.
1973, the song satirically laments that the band had not appeared on the cover of the Rolling Stone magazine that focuses on music, politics, and other stuff. The song's success led to the band actually appearing on the cover of Rolling Stone in 1973, albeit in caricature, an artist's rendition, not a photo. And that was just fantastic. But here's the thing. Dan gets this stuff for these songs and throws it over here. And almost as an afterthought, I'm reading through it.
The song was written by Shel Silverstein. Now folks, that just kind of blows me away. I hope that many people know who Shel Silverstein is, because he's just an absolutely tremendous artist, excuse me, author. But I very closely associated with him as being a children's author of some of the most fantastic.
children's work acclaimed works there are like the giving tree and where the sidewalk and the light in the attic you know when we had our kids and when other people were having kids you know you always give each other the shell silverstein books and you know that that's just the way that i remember him and and always thought of him he unfortunately passed away in may of nineteen ninety nine that the right bold age of sixty nine but
while he was around the stuff that he put out was fantastic but lo and behold he also published in a lot of newspapers he published articles in Playboy magazine he wrote a satirical adult oriented alphabet book Uncle Shelby's ABZ book but as a songwriter not only did he write on the cover of the Rolling Stone he also wrote the 1969 Johnny Cash track A Boy Named Johnny Cash
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crack, a boy named Sue, which peaked at number two on the US Billboard Hot 100. He's written songs that have been recorded and popularized by a wide range of other acts, including Tom Paul Glasser, the Irish Rovers, and as we mentioned, Dr. Hook in the Medicine Show. He won two Grammy Awards as well and nominations at the Golden Globe Awards and Academy Awards. It's just one of those things that completely caught me off guard.
And I'm so happy that Dan included it because it's a great thing and it's very, very funny. And just really quickly about Rolling Stone, which we'll get to one of these days because it's worth an entire session of this show. It's just such an all -time great magazine for so many things, but including the music industry.
And the name actually comes from Bob Dylan's 1965 song, Like a Rolling Stone. But the phrase, like a rolling stone, has a long history in music. Muddy Waters released the song Rolling Stone in 1950, which inspired the name of an English blues rock band formed in 1962, also called The Rolling Stones. And we're going to have a lot of stuff to talk about The Rolling Stones today, folks. The magazine's first issue.
Published in November 1967 by Anne Wenner and Ralph J. Gleason, mentions both Dylan and the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones first appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone in August of 68, around the time of the release of their album Beggar's Banquet. The band has been on the cover of the magazine 30 times in total. And Rolling Stone has provided a platform for the bandmates to explain themselves in their songs, sometimes send messages to one another. But you will see we're about to dive headlong into the Rolling Stones here.
kids because the very first thing we're going to talk about today is my review of the Rolling Stones. I know we just talked about the Rolling Stones last week and I was going to say, what's the difference? Well, here's the difference. They played in Chicago Thursday night and last night. But last week on Wednesday, really good buddy Fred or Freddie Burp as he's known to the crowd and I were talking the practice of law, which we do from time to time and always mix in a heavy amount of music conversation.
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He loves to travel all over the place to see music too and we hit it off with that. And he's got a great buddy, Kurt. Kurt is just a classic guy. Loves to go to music, loves good meals, great company, brings around good people. And Kurt had snagged some tickets for the Stone Show in Soldier Field. Turned out there was one extra and they were kind enough to reach out to me to join them for the night.
Some of Kurt's family members were there. Some friends of Fred's were there, including me. I got to be there. And off we went to see the Rolling Stones and Soldier Field. It was a total last minute thing, the best kind of thing you can ever have. We got there early, got to our seats down on the field, just basically in front of the soundboard.
we swatched the opening act of Betty Lovette, who I have to say I'd never heard of. She was very good, and I would actually.
dare say that you know in an actual lounge as a lounge act she would be tremendous in a soldier field with sixty thousand people i think was kind of hard to appreciate the nuances of the type of show she was putting on but she has a great voice for backing band was absolutely tremendous and the stones kinda have a history in my book of you know bringing in bands and performers like that to kind of set the mood chicago's known as a very blues town in fact although i don't think it happened this time around if it has it hasn't made the
the news yet, but it would not be unknown for the Stones to show up at a Chicago Blues bar completely unannounced and stepping in to play a set. And if you were lucky enough to be there, then you got that badge of honor and an amazing experience for life.
Larry (17:01.23)
The Stones finally come on around 9 .30. They jump in with Start Me Up, which just three seconds into the song, the lights are flashing on them, Keith laying down that guitar riff, Mick is belting out the lyrics, and I'm kinda sitting there thinking, you know, thank God that Freddie and Kurt got me this opportunity, because you can't miss the Rolling Stones. They're such a classic band. I think a lot of us begin to take them for granted after a while, because they've been around for so long. The Rolling Stones have been playing for 62 years. They started in...
1962, 60 years later. So it's not just a question of how old the guys in the band are. 62, they doubled up the number of years that The Grateful Dead played as a band. I mean, this is just incredible. Now, there were some years where they weren't touring and maybe not coming out with new albums once we got passed into the.
mid to late 1990s and the earlier 2000s and whatever. And they just came out with Hackney Diamond, which is their first album in a large number of years, and went back on tour. But the band has never broken up. Some members have changed. Bill Wyman on bass dropped out. Unfortunately, Charlie Watts, the wonderful drummer and really the backbone of the band, in my opinion, died. And this was my first time seeing them without.
either of those guys. It had been a long time since I had seen the Rolling Stones. I think, you know, last time we talked about the first time I saw them in 1981 and at the time thinking, boy, how old they sound. It's a good thing we're seeing them. And here we are 41 years later from that show, seeing them and saying to myself, thank God I'm here seeing them because I don't know if they'll ever play again, you know, and if they go another 40 years, it'll serve me right. And I'll be one of the happiest guys around. And I just can't tell you how exciting it was to be there and to be in the midst of all of this. They play
They'd get off of my cloud. I know it's only rock and roll, but I like it. Again, two more tunes I'm just crazy about. Angry off the new album, which was fine. And then they had their fan voted song of the night, She's Like a Rainbow, which is just an amazing tune anyway. One of my favorite early Rolling Stones songs. And with.
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legendary tour veteran Chuck Lavelle playing keyboards for him. He just kills it. Mick is out there on the acoustic guitar. They go into wild horses with Keith stepping up to the microphone and harmonizing if that's what you want to call it, but singing with Mick on the chorus and just having a great old time into Mess It Up, another Hackney Diamond song, and then into a classic off of Exiled Main Street, Tumbling Dice. Always makes me think of Linda Ronstadt and her version of it.
This is the Stones doing it baby, and they're made to do it. They then went into You Can't Always Get What You Want, you know, when you get that big chill chill with Mick on acoustic guitar. Finally they do the band intros. Carl Denson was in the house. Very excited about that. Always a huge Carl Denson fan and had never seen him tour with the Rolling Stones before. I don't think he started until 2015.
The last time I saw Stones, the Stones was in the late 90s or early 2000s. And it's wonderful to see him up there. Always great to see a familiar face. Keith steps up to the microphone and says, it's good to be back in Chicago. Actually, it's good to be anywhere. And we all laugh, because there's a man on this earth who shouldn't be alive, let alone be.
playing guitar and singing up on stage in his 80s. It's Keith Richards and he just killed it all night. Ronnie Wood was awesome. They were great. Then Keith does his little mini set. Mick goes off stage and he does Tell Me Straight from Hackney Diamond, a little TNA from Tattoo You, Happy from Some Girls. The only song again that I think I mentioned last week that I love is Before They Make Me Run, Did Not Make It. Onto the list of
Keith Toons, but they were all great. Mick comes back walking out on stage for a killer sympathy for the devil, wearing a long red top coat, and very much looking the part of the devil as he pranced around the stage all night, prancing, dancing, running. It was like Mick, as always. The only thing I'll say that we all kind of noticed, and you notice these things now, I guess, was that sometimes when he went back to the microphone to talk after he stopped singing,
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He needed a second to catch his breath. Now you know what? At 80 plus years of age, I'm gonna cut Mick some slack on that. His hair looked killer, whether it's dyed or not. It didn't look dyed, it just looked completely natural. He's still as skinny as a toothpick. And when they showed the close -ups of his face, yeah, he has some lines in his face, he's aged. But you know what? Mick rocks that look better than anybody who will ever rock that look. So, you know, far be it for me to complain anything about it. He just looks like he's ready.
keith richards comes up to the microphone for his three -song set he looks great he's singing a song she's having a great time ronnie wood was just killer on his guitar you know definitely style in it you know in his early eighties and you know all of those guys with just energy to burn and here's the thing man they're playing
The shows are playing these songs at their regular tempo. This is not an old guy's tour, slowing it down and giving us a lounge act version of it. They were out there rocking. You could close your eyes and just, this is Keith Richards playing Jumpin' Jack Flash, which I haven't even mentioned yet. We'll get to it in a minute. Any of these songs, and it's just, it's iconic. There's no disappointment here. You are not gonna go and say, wow, they didn't really sound so musically, they're as hot as ever.
And you know, and Keith's, Mick sounds a little bit older, but after my experience trying to say that in 1981, I ain't saying it again. These guys kill it into Honky Tonk Woman again with Chuck Lavelle, just amazing on the keyboards. Just can't say enough good things about him. Midnight Rambler with Mick doing his classic blues harp and just.
wailing away on it while he's singing it. Had enough energy for that to play and sing that tune. And then they went into Gimme Shelter and
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i love the song gimme shelter it's such an absolutely classic tune i it's hard to say enough good things about it
and I'd never seen them play it live. And they came out and they're playing it and they get to the female vocalist part, rape, murder, it's just a shot away, it's just a shot away, and we all know the story of it, I'm spacing her name at the moment, the woman who sang that on the album and the story about how when they were ready to record it, they ran out and grabbed her even though she was like literally going into labor and she was sitting there, you know, belting out those classic lyrics
and that distinguishable voice, while she was almost in the throes of having a baby. So who's gonna come out and who's gonna play that role and who's gonna make this song the classic so that while you're listening to it, you won't even begin to think like, this is just an old version of it. Well, they were joined on stage for this and as a background singer all night by the former Tina, the Tina Turner musical star, Chanel Haines.
I did not ever see Tina, the Tina Turner musical. I'm sorry that I didn't, because Chanel has an absolutely incredible voice. Just gives you chills. And she was background singing all night. But on this song, she was just unbelievable. She first played with the Stones at their show in Milan, Italy in June 2022 to perform Gimme Shelter together. Source told one of the newspapers,
that the stones already had a very close relationship with tina turner obviously she would was classic playing with mcjager and chanel blew them away when she got up on stage with them so i would say that you know she blew all sixty thousand stones fans away last Thursday night at soldier field it was just an unbelievable moment goosebumps really the whole thing and it just got such a rise out of the crowd
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and then they screamed even louder when they rolled over into a painted black another classic early stones tune with strong psychedelic overtures then they closed out with of course their standard jumpin jack flash and i'll just tell you you can hear jumpin jack flash a million times and on the million and first time it still moves you as much as all the previous times this is i've said it before i said it last week i'm gonna say it again the rolling stones are the greatest rock and roll band in the world
OK? The Dead aren't a traditional rock and roll band. And most jam bands aren't traditional rock and roll bands, because traditional rock and roll bands are playing three to five minute songs, right? Sometimes they're six or seven minutes. Occasionally, you get like a stairway to heaven. But this is just right. And stairway to heaven, by the way, yes, Led Zeppelin would be in the conversation for greatest rock and roll band. But the Stones are just the Stones. 60 years, going strong. Mick and Keith, from the very beginning,
just still killing it and playing it like it's like you're listening to get your yas out. OK, I came home and I put that on and it's just amazing. And Jumping Jack Flash for my money may be the greatest rock and roll song of all time. It's so classic. It's so great. It's so distinguishable and just amazing music, amazing vocals, amazing everything and just.
everybody in that place was up and dancing and we were having a great time they finally ended five minutes to go in the back into whatever they had to do and they came back out for there to on course we sounds of heaven one final hackney diamonds tune and then into satisfaction and satisfaction is also a classic closer for them or on core for them and who doesn't like satisfaction right
I never unfortunately got to hear the Grateful Dead play it. They played it pretty somewhat regularly between 1980 and 1984, but I never caught it. But I've heard the tapes of it and all of it. I mean, again, when you get the Dead to cover one of your songs, that's pretty cool when you're a rock and roll band like the Rolling Stones. And the Dead knew who's music to cover, and they went right for that. And the satisfaction is just so great. You're listening to it, and it's coming to an end.
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And at this time, I mean, you know, whatever. We all joke around what happened 40 years ago, but these guys are in their 80s. And there's just this real palpable sense that it can't go on forever. And maybe it can. Maybe Mick can do this forever. Maybe he's just wired a little bit differently than all of us. I don't know. And it wouldn't surprise me if he could. And Keith Richards, just the fact that he's alive and playing suggests to me he could go on forever. And Ronnie Wood does not look like a guy who's going anywhere. For all we know, they'll be playing
10 years from now they'll have to have a whole new backing band because those guys will be moving on to it. I can't tell you. But if they come through your town, if you have a chance to see the Rolling Stones, you got to go see them. It's just it's rock and roll history. And every time they play it is. And when they're gone, they'll be gone. And so please go see the Rolling Stones if you have a chance. Now we're going to pivot right from that to Daniel Donato, the Cosmic Country.
who I'd been hearing a whole hell of a lot about. I had never seen him before. And he was playing at a little local place here called the Chop Shop, where I was lucky enough a couple of months ago to head there with good buddy Rob to see the Sam Grissman project, which I talked about on this show, which was an absolutely killer show. But Daniel Donato, man, I mean, this dude really comes out and rocks the house.
and i guess i wasn't entirely sure what to expect i i i don't really know any of his music i had not listened to any of it previously we got there a couple of minutes late unfortunately because we're so used to people starting late that really wasn't some ready for somebody to kind of come in and start on time he had played the night before friday at this is just two nights ago on saturday night the night before he played and i guess he started a little bit later we were kind of counting on that but this was Saturday night the place was just jam -packed
It's a small little bar with a, it has a stage and a relatively small stage area that I'm gonna guess a standing area in front of the stage can maybe hold 250 people. I'd be surprised if it could hold 300 and then there's, up above there's like a little balcony of like a VIP, you can go up there and hang over the balcony and watch the show and that was all filled and then once you get back outside of the little viewing area and you spill back out into the bar.
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A lot of people are very happy out there. The sound out there was great. You just can't see the stage very well. But people were hanging out there and dancing. My wife and I managed as concert veterans to work our way in and slipped right in front of the sound board and had a great view and not very far back from the stage. So the sound was totally excellent. And I will say Daniel Donato and his band, as advertised, came out and they really, really rocked.
I didn't know a lot of their tunes, so I had to check it out online on Set List FM. They opened with Sunshine in the Rain and To Justice, Jessica, which of course I know, but we missed it because we hadn't gotten there yet. Boogie Man, Two Hills is the song we walked in on, sitting on top of the world, so I felt like, hey, he's sending me a Grateful Dead message right away. Not a Grateful Dead tune, but one covered often by the dead in their early days, and I believe it's on their first album ever. Half Moon Night, Big Iron, a Marty Robbins tune.
which Bob, Bob, we're in the Dead, Bob, we're singing it, but the Dead covered a certain number of times and Bob would play it in concert with some of his bands for a while. It's a great little tune that just kind of goes through this whole showdown of the US Marshal and some outlaw and it's very, very funny, love it. Riders in the Sky and closing out the set with Edge of the Mountain. They came out with the second set, dived right into Respect, the
Classic Otis Redding cover and did a very, very good job with it, I thought. Forgotten Days, Valhalla, Sugar Shack, Look of the Draw, Sugar Leg Rag, Freewheeling, Weathervane, Blue Skies, yes, the Irving Berlin cover. And then Weathervane, which again was great. They went off, they came back out for the encore, and Fish Style walked, the four of them walked up to a microphone and stood around it, clearly doing some acapella something, you know, of course, the dead.
used to do it with We Bid You Goodnight and Fish does it with Amazing Grace and other tunes where they crowd up around the microphone like that. And these guys came out all stepped up to the microphone and sang, I kid you not, I've Been Working on the Railroad. I gotta tell ya, it made me laugh. At first I thought, are you kidding me? And then as they sang it and got to the, you know.
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Someone's in the kitchen with Dinah, E -I -E -I -O, the whole thing, you know? I said, well, I used to sing that to my kids 30 years ago, but I hadn't really thought about it in a long time. And here they were singing it. Very, very funny. And then ended with Dance in the Desert that had about a 10 minute jam in there that may have been the finest jam of the night. But Daniel Donato was just absolutely great. Thank you to good friend Laura, good friend Alex, and others for...
recommending recommending him so highly actually first heard about it from alex who was the source of much good music for us and when i saw a lot who's married to good buddy marks brother -in -law what when i saw her out of the sphere shown good buddy mark was there along as long as as well as her husband and good buddy marks brother -in -law bobby and she said she was going to be going to daniel donato in chicago and that really inspired me to get my tickets and unfortunately at the last minute they were able to make it but she had seen them the night before so
She was all happy about that. And it was just a great experience. I'm just going to throw out there, his voice caught me off guard. It's not a voice you would expect. And as the evening went on, I got more and more used to it. But I just say that as a disclaimer that when he first started singing, I did a double take because it kind of sounded like he was taking big hits of helium, and then like we would all do back in the day, and then talking that high pitched voice. But it didn't discourage me in any way.
And as I say, by the end of the night, we were all well used to it. But it's just a note. Meanwhile, great Daniel Donato show. Loved it. Very, very excited. And also special thanks to good buddies Rick and Ben, who conveniently live right there in the neighborhood for pre and post show hospitality. We got to meet their good buddies, Ashley and Todd. And everyone had a great time. In more music news, Neil Young cancels the remainder of his summer tour dates due to illness.
As you know, I talked about it on the show a few weeks back. Right heading into Memorial Day weekend, we were all set to see Neil Young here in Chicago at North Early Island Pavilion. Good buddies Andy and Alex were in town, along with Suzanne from San Francisco. We had Mikey in from Minnesota, and just all sorts of good folks. We were all over at Harold's Place.
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getting ready to cruise over to see the show. We all got text notices that the show was canceled. We couldn't believe it. But we held out hope that in the second half of the summer tour, when everybody got healthy and they were back out playing again, because the second half of the tour had not been canceled, just the Chicago show and then subsequently two shows, I think, in Texas. And there was talk that they were going to reschedule the shows in the places where they were canceled. And so we held out our high, high hopes that we would still get to see Neil.
But just this past week, the notice came out that in fact, the whole remainder of the summer tour has been canceled due to illness. There has not been any specification as to the nature of the illness or the individual suffering from the illness, which is certainly fine. It's none of our business. We just hope that certainly all of them, but in particular Neil, that if he's one of them, that everybody gets healthy very quickly, and that if they can't play this summer, that they can get back out.
with the whole crazy horse thing. We were all very much looking forward to it. In fact, good buddy Kerry, who was going to be, who was instrumental in getting all of us the tickets for the show and was keeping us updated on a lot of this stuff, we were all talking about, he sent around a tape for us to listen to from one of the earlier shows on the tour. And we were all commenting on just how raw, but good raw and hard rock and roll energy that.
Neil was sounding on Take Me to the River, and not Take Me to the River, Down by the River, excuse me, Down by the River, Cowgirl in the Sand, and just some of those great, great tunes, and what a bummer it is to have missed out on the opportunity to hear it. But look, there's worse things in life. I've meanwhile had a wonderful summer of music, and no dismay. But in that very same line, we find out now that Willie Nelson is sitting out the Outlaw Music Festival.
I just heard about that as well and was very saddened on a certain level to hear about that because Willie, of course, is, this guy just keeps going and going like the Energizer bunny rabbit and it's really kind of amazing how long he's been able to go on. But last week his camp was forced to issue a statement that the at the forthcoming Outlaw Music Festival that the artist would take a break from his rigorous touring schedule at Doctors Orders.
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He also was reportedly not feeling well enough to take the stage. As a follow up to the initial pause in appearances, Nilsen's camp issued a note informing the public that he would not be in attendance at the concert on June 26 at Veterans United Home Loans Amphitheater in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Willie, I believe, is 91 years old. And the latest statement that came out was that he will.
He was not be performing. They expect Willie to return to the tour shortly. Bob Dylan, Robert Plant, Nelson Krauss, Solis will all perform as scheduled at that Outlaw Music Festival and did. Lucas Nelson and family, as well as other special guests, played their own set and that they were playing a number of Willie's tunes and songs. And he's just not feeling well enough then to join the Outlaw Music Festival. And so it's.
it said it's reality it's amazing these better out to play music for so long willy nelson i think it's a pretty incredible thing and he has his own brand of marijuana which you know he's he's the guy that should have it he's another one of these guys who you know smoke more marijuana than any of us could ever possibly imagine and you know still basically toward at the age of ninety one even if he has to take a few extra days off here and there you know
with the classic line that marijuana won't kill you unless you let a bale of it fall on your head. So, Godspeed to Willie Nelson. Hopefully he feels better. Hopefully Neil Young feels better. And hopefully Mick and Keith and Ronnie Wood just keep playing forever and ever because where would we be without any of these guys? So, lots of music news today, but we got a show to focus back on from 40 years ago. And we're gonna dive right back in with the song that they closed out the first set with.
real crowd pleaser everybody up on their feet singing and dancing and we knew that with the second set still to go was going to be a fun night
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Might as well love it. It's the opening track on Jerry's Reflections album that was released on February 15th, 1976. We've discussed it a lot. It tells the story of the 1970 train tour.
1971 train tour, no yeah, 1970 train tour of the same name, Festival Express across Canada taken by some of North America's most popular rock bands, including The Dead, Janis Joplin, the band Buddy Guy, Flying Burrito Brothers, Ian and Sylvia's Great Speckled Bird, Mountain and Delaney and Bonnie and Friends. There's great stories, amazing musical mashups, and it's the subject of a 2003 documentary film directed by Bob Smeaton. The film combines footage of the 1970
concerts time on the train interspersed with contemporary recollections of the tour by its participants. It is a recommended film if you have any interest at all in the music from that era and I just love that body guy is included. It's just great. It's it's it's great might as well just a wonderful tune to hear with the Jerry Garcia band but the dead played at 111 times first played on June 3rd 1976 at the Paramount Theater in Portland Oregon and they last played on March 23rd 1994 at Nassau Veterans Memorial.
Memorial Coliseum in Uniondale, New York. So the set ends. We're all kind of mingling around, bouncing around because of it being our group and it being Ann Arbor. We were all taking a little trip of our own and enjoying every minute of it. And the second set kicks off. They come back in. And it was just really a all in all an excellent show.
They come back in and open with a classic china writer Then they gave us a wonderful Oops, nope, sorry. Yeah Dan quick cut for a minute there Thank you Okay, I'm ready now
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They came out, the second set starts. They open with a wonderful China writer duo into Sampson and Delilah, into He's Gone, drum space, a beautiful China doll, and then they dropped into this one.
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i need a miracle from terrapin station elm was released on july twenty seventh nineteen ninety seven the band's ninth
studio album, the first one with Arista Records and Clive Davis after the band's record label, Grateful Dead Records, had folded. It was produced by Keith Olson in LA and actually recorded down there. It settled in basically as a second set tune with the band, sometimes out of space. In this instance, one removed out of space. The first time I ever heard the Grateful Dead play it, and one of the first times I remember starting to really focus on the band,
I saw the dead play the song on Saturday Night Live on November 11th, 1978. In the early slot, they played Casey Jones. And then they came back and they played I Need a Miracle after that for the second musical performance of the night. Garcia was playing his famous Wolf guitar. And I can't say that I remember that, but I do remember that while Bobby was playing there right next to him, and now going back and seeing again, I realized he was.
doing a little bit of slide guitar there as well very, very effectively. But he was wearing some crazy thing that my childhood memory, well, not childhood, I guess, teenage memory of it was that he was wearing boots, like riding boots up with his pants tucked in. But when I went back and looked at it again on YouTube a few years ago, what I realized was he was wearing Argyle -style socks pulled up by a guy.
over his pants, or maybe they were knickers. I couldn't tell for sure. But it's kind of an interesting look. And if you're curious, you can just go to YouTube and call up Grateful Dead on Saturday Night Live.
Larry (46:15.022)
put november seventy eight or nineteen seventy eight or whatever but it'll come up right away and you can see bobby with very very weird fashion look which is it turned out was never an unusual thing for bobby is he like to push fashion all the time although he does look very very young still in that in that clip compared to having just seen him of course it this year but it's always nice to be reminded of that kind of youthful impish appearance of bob we're when he was the joker of the group and you know also the singer
writer of many of the band's top songs. Half of their top, so half of their songs. So a good number of their songs, but it's just fun to go back and see it. And I Need a Miracle, they played it a total of 272 times. The first was on August 30th, 1978 at Red Rocks in Colorado. And the last time they played it was June 30th, 1995 at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh.
we are now going to move over into cannabis news on there's a lot going on in the world of cannabis dan we got for us on this
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Thank you, Dan. The No -No song, 1974 by Ringo Starr, recorded by Ringo. It was written by Hoyt Axton and David Jackson. It appeared on Starr's 1974 album, Good Night Vienna. It was released as a single in the US on January 27th, 1975 with Snookeroo on the B -side. It reached number one in Canada, number three on the Billboard charts, becoming his seventh and last top 10 hit. It also reached number one on Cash Box charts.
in the U .S. Very funny, very cute tune, love it. And Dan, find another good one for us to talk about and much appreciated as always. So let's dive into marijuana news. There's just a whole bunch of stuff to talk about here today on marijuana and let's see how much we can get through it before Dan starts giving me dirty looks because I'm taking too long. As ESPN just recently reported,
The NCAA Division I Council voted last week, last Tuesday, to remove cannabinoids from the banned drug class for NCAA championships and postseason football effective immediately. It's a major rule change to a rule that has high profile consequences over the past decade.
While schools have their own drug testing policies and standards for most of the season, the NCAA controls drug testing in the postseason and historically has been stiffer, has had much stiffer penalties than those imposed by the schools.
The NCAA drug testing program is intended to focus on integrity of competition and cannabis products do not provide a competitive advantage. Council Chair and Illinois Athletic Director Josh Whitman said the council's focus is on policies centered on student athlete health and well -being rather than punishment for cannabis use. In 2014, Michigan basketball star forward Mitch McGarry learned he would be suspended for the entire 2014 -2015 season due to a positive marijuana test during the 2014.
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NCAA tournament as a result. McGarry declared for the NBA draft and was selected at number 21 by the Oklahoma City Thunder. Now let me just say that as a Michigan sports fan that really strikes home and that really sucked because Mitch McGarry was a key part of Michigan basketball at the time and here's what makes it even worse. He was tested during the 2014 NCAA tournament. He didn't play in the 2014 NCAA tournament.
But in the second game, or whichever game it was, the coach decided as an inspiration to the team that McGarry would be on the bench in uniform, even though they knew he wasn't going to be able to play. But the rules state that any player in uniform on the bench, whether they play or not, is subject to random mandatory drug testing. And that, in fact,
They pulled Mitch McGarry's name, he had to do it, he tested positive, and so they suspended him for the entire next season. Now it was a rule, right, and he did break the rule and blah, blah, blah. But for God's sakes, it was crazy. How crazy was it? What was the uproar? The uproar was so bad that later that year, the NCAA lessened the penalty for a positive marijuana test to just half a season, which is still ridiculous. But if they had done that with Mitch McGarry, maybe he would have stayed one more year at Michigan.
and who knows what the wolverines might have done with them that which never wind up having much of an n b a career but that's okay we love them at michigan and he was a great player that really shocked so it's nice to see that finally the n c a is doing it now it comes as recreational marijuana continues to be legalized across this the country gives you say we have twenty four states getting more and more all the time
And the NBA ultimately removed marijuana from the league's drug testing program in 2023 as part of a new collective bargaining agreement. So, you know, it's nice to see that in some places out there, we are actually seeing progress. Even if it's late, even if it's belated, it's still good and, you know, we applaud that constantly. Now, here's something else because we've talked a lot about them.
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re scheduling marijuana from schedule one to schedule three. And the thing is this, it doesn't belong on the Controlled Substance Act at all. And we've talked about this. Now, one of the big reasons why people are excited about it though, going from schedule one to schedule three, even though it will remain federally illegal, is because 280E as a tax restriction only applies to companies or businesses
that sell at retail a schedule one or schedule two controlled substance. So schedule three takes it out of the realm of 280E. Now that's exciting, but what's happening is it turns out that there may be some overanxious dispensary owners out there. So the Internal Revenue Service is advising all marijuana companies that they still cannot take the federal tax deduction for business expenses that are afforded to other traditional industries unless and until the administration finalizes a rule to officially reschedule cannabis.
In a press release last week, the IRS clarified that its policy known as 280E still applies as the federal government moves through the process of potentially moving marijuana from schedule one to schedule three on the CSA. Until a final rule is published, the Internal Revenue Service today reminds taxpayers that marijuana remains a schedule one controlled substance and is subject to the limitations of the Internal Revenue Code, it said.
the law with respect to the schedule or classification of marijuana has not changed. Taxpayers seeking a relief of funds paid related to the Internal Revenue Code, Section 280E by filing amended returns are not entitled to a refund or payment. This comes as certain multi -state marijuana operators are seeking refunds for what they say are excess taxes paid in past years due to 280E. So.
You know, not to say that it won't eventually get there and be a good thing, but by God, the IRS is going to go down kicking and screaming on this one, right? You know, now I suppose they can take the position that until it's final, it's final. You know, one would hope that since nobody ever contemplated 280E being used on marijuana in the first place, notwithstanding the language of the section in the tax code, that the IRS might have, you know, started showing leniency earlier, but they didn't. They haven't. They fought it tooth and nail, and they're going to continue to fight it right here.
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until the very end so screw them and that's just the way it is but it i want to go back and talk about something here because last week we talked about jeff landry being the tool governor of louisiana who said that even though his state passed legislation allowing the governor to pardon people who had been previously convicted on
low -level marijuana crimes he just declared that he wasn't going to do it because you know he was not going to let louisiana be known as a state where the law doesn't matter and yeah yeah yeah and you know just a real tool and you know he's the same guy who says we're gonna put the ten commandments in the classroom and i can't wait to be sued right you know which taxpayer money gets lost in those lawsuits you fool jeff landry said let's go the state's gonna spend a billion dollars or whatever it'll cost out a billion but a lot of money
and legal fees and everything else defending those cases. And if he loses, he's going to keep appealing it all the way up the ladder until eventually he takes it to the Supreme Court. And then what's he going to do if the Supreme Court rules against him? I suppose you could say the Supreme Court might not rule against him. But it's not a separation of church or state if you don't separate church and state. So I mean, it is what it is. But while we talked about that, I contrasted our good buddy Landry with Governor Wes Moore, a Democrat.
who was the governor of Maryland. And we talked about how they had launched a big program that was going to pardon, amass pardon for over 175 ,000 marijuana and paraphernalia convictions. Well now, he's announced that he's gonna develop a first of its kind marijuana workforce development program with a focus on supporting industry participation by the people who have been criminalized over cannabis.
He announced the Cannabis Workforce Development Program, it's its official name, a free service for eligible applicants that is being jointly run by the Maryland Cannabis Administration and the Maryland Department of Labor. This groundbreaking collaboration will support Marylanders interested in joining the state's growing cannabis industry and prioritize individuals and communities directly impacted by the war on drugs. Moore said in a press release on Thursday, for decades, cannabis policy has been used as a cudgel. Together, we prove how cannabis policy can be used
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as a valuable tool to leave no one behind. Through the program, participants will be able to take eight self -paced courses taught by industry experts, licensed marijuana business operators, and college professors. After completing 100 hours of virtual instruction, they will also be able to enroll in a two -day in -person course for occupational training. The governor's office says the initiative will help reduce barriers to employment and create a path to sustainable jobs in the cannabis industry.
It has to be said that Maryland is leading the country in cannabis reform and reinforcing that legalization that must be accompanied by efforts to address the burdens of criminalization. Through this program, individuals adversely impacted by cannabis criminalization will be able to receive real -time, hands -on experience and access to job placement. It's scheduled to start in November of this year. How refreshing is this to see this? Not only is he not being a
Greg Landry, excuse me, Jeff Landry, and I don't even need to excuse, nobody really cares what his name is if he's gonna act like that. No, we're not gonna take advantage of this, those people are guilty and they deserve to be punished. Well, in Maryland they don't feel the same way, do they? In Maryland they say, not only are we gonna pardon them, but we're gonna train them. We're gonna train them so they can go back and work in this industry. Because people want this industry, it's a reality, it's here.
All we do is read good things about it, medically, socially, right across the board. But by God, the Jeff Landrys and Ted Cruz's of the world and some of those other Republicans we talked about, they are gonna tell us what's good for us because they know, right? Really funny, isn't that? Big government has no place in anything in our country until they don't want you to smoke marijuana or have gay sex. By God, then the government can't step in fast enough with all of its restrictions and these guys just ride along with it. That's okay because it's all religion and
blah, blah, Christian nation and all that stuff. And we're not going to get into that. But when it comes to this, when they start telling people what they can and cannot do just because Jeff Landry doesn't know what marijuana is really all about and no personal insults are necessary, his name speaks for itself. But we don't need people like that telling us about this. Thank God for Governor Moore and Maryland and other states that hopefully will emulate this program. And this is even so much better than states like Illinois and their
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programs that they put in that just never had any chance of succeeding. And why people would think that putting everybody in the same group of people instead of breaking these up into two completely separate categories, which they really deserve to be. On the one hand, you're helping people, and these people can get bonus points and that other stuff, which is fine. But just have them compete against one another. There's really no need.
to have open competition with all of the other groups that you're trying to separate out so that you can actually have people like this who have been negatively affected disproportionately by the war on drugs and have lived in neighborhoods that were disproportionately affected. And it's just not right on any level. And I love that Governor Westmore is not just saying
paying lip service to this, he's starting a program that's going to get minorities and people of color actively involved, directly involved in marijuana businesses. They may not be the owners right away, but they're going to get in. And while Illinois and some other states are still litigating over this stuff, they're stepping in and they're learning how to run this stuff so that they will be able to either get their own licenses or perhaps go to other states. Or maybe even they can license themselves out, as other contractors have done.
it giving them a chance to compete in the game is just so important that I think that what governor Moore here is doing is wonderful and I hope that every other state out there emulates this program as they bring adult use online and maybe Jeff Landry will get over himself and consider doing that as well but I wouldn't bet on it. Here's just something that's interesting and maybe will help calm down people out there who are
afraid that marijuana being rescheduled or ultimately descheduled will make the world a less safer place. US Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg says that moving cannabis to schedule three of the Federal Controlled Substances Act will not affect drug testing policies for commercial truckers, noting that the Department of Transportation specifically lists marijuana as a substance to screen for.
Larry (01:01:18.03)
Our understanding of the rescheduling of marijuana from schedule one to schedule three is that it would not alter DOT's marijuana testing requirements with respect to the regulated community, he said at a congressional hearing last week. For private individuals who are performing safety -sensitive functions subject to drug testing, marijuana is identified by name, not by reference to one of those classes. So even if it moves in its classification, we do not believe that it would have a direct impact.
on that authority. He was responding to a question from Representative Rick Crawford, a Republican from Arkansas, during a House committee on transportation and infrastructure hearing on Thursday. The congressman had referenced concerns from the American Trucking Association about the broad public health and safety consequences of reclassification on the national highway system and its users, which led to Buttigieg making his statement. But folks, let's stop and think about this a minute. And let's think whether
Rick Crawford really had thought this question out, whether he really knew what he was asking or whether this was designed to be some sort of a gotcha. One of the things we've said on this show and one of the things that we'll always say on this show is that nobody endorses intoxicated driving. Nobody endorses driving under the influence. No one in the industry does. They do not. Nobody's going to sit here and say, if you smoke marijuana, you are a safer driver than somebody who does not smoke marijuana.
You know, that may be true in certain cases, but it's certainly not true across the board. And even I would recoil from taking that position and trying to run with it. It's just the way it is. What we've always talked about is the idea that we as a society already let people drive while intoxicated. Just because you don't blow a 0 .08 when they come around or 0 .08, whatever it is, to test you.
doesn't mean you haven't been drinking that night, and doesn't mean that you might be slightly buzzed, slightly intoxicated, right? So you're out there driving while intoxicated. And what we've said is, in that instance, if you have a person who's been drinking and is intoxicated, as compared to a person who's been smoking marijuana and is intoxicated, the marijuana smoker is going to be safer than the driver who's consumed alcohol, right? So let's begin with that basic premise when we go back to address this, because
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I certainly don't remember seeing Representative Rick Crawford getting up in arms about the fact that alcohol is legal and that truck drivers could be drinking alcohol or other drivers on the road could be drinking alcohol, who truck drivers have to drive around. In fact, for the American Trucker Association to say it, nobody cares about alcohol, really? But we're gonna make a deal here about marijuana just because it got moved from schedule one to schedule three? Now, I'm gonna absolutely agree with what
Secretary Buttigieg says about it because marijuana is marijuana. We agree in safety sensitive areas of employment people should not operate equipment, should not be doing those things if they're high, just like you don't want them doing it if they're drunk or other way, but that means also if they're under psychotropic drugs or anything else that is legal or that you can do, they shouldn't be doing those things. Now, as a practical matter, do some people still get high and drive? Yes, they do.
Do some people still get drunk and drive? I'd bet a lot more just because of the number of alcohol sales versus the number of marijuana sales. So why are we making such a big deal about this when nobody ever suggested that taking it off schedule one would now allow drivers to start driving without drug tests? The marijuana industry has never taken that position. I'm not aware of anyone in the government ever taking that position, and nobody would because it's a ridiculous position to take. Just like nobody's saying, well, it's not that it's a ridiculous position to take. It's a ridiculous position to take.
As long as you don't care about anything else that people are doing and acting like marijuana is somehow unique and evil, and even though we don't test for those other things, how are we going to make sure that these people aren't driving stone out of their minds? So again, a Republican legislator running a nanny state, very funny on the Republican side, and taking a position that just really has no sensible place.
anywhere in the discussion that they're trying to have. And really, that's just the case. The hypocrisy is startling. Not really, it's just frustrating. And the lack of just basic common sense. You just want to turn to them and say, are you saying this because you're stupid or are you saying this because you're looking to get clickbait? And if it's the latter,
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Why are you doing that if you're an elected representative? Now, you could say the same thing about some Democrats, and I'm sure, and I don't mean to imply that that's only just Republicans, but marijuana is a hot button for them. And even though we've talked about all the Republicans and right -wing pundits that openly smoke marijuana, and it's known that they smoke marijuana, and I have myself many, many friends who have and will vote for Donald Trump who love getting high. So there's no direct basis with that. But when you talk about legislation, it is the majority.
who have problems with it, who object to it, who act as the prohibitionists tend to be Republican. And you don't really see a lot of Democrats swinging in that direction. And so this is a non -story that Crawford wanted to either boost his own standing or just make some news on. So he asks a rhetorical question that's ridiculous. And hopefully that's the end. We'll hear of that. If there's a spate of accidents by drivers.
driving while intoxicated on marijuana that i imagine that at some point something will have to be done but i say you know unless and until and not just because somebody test positive for t h c if they're involved in an accident but to be able to be proven that their metabolites are still such that their hydroxy not carboxy t h c metabolites so that is still psychoactive in their blood and those instances when they can prove accidents under that standard that i think it'll be time you know to start weighing in on it but
not anymore or any less than they've ever done it when they weigh in on alcohol. So let's keep track of all of that. So those first three stories come to us. Thank you from Marijuana Moment. We are going to touch very briefly because this is just coming down on a draft of the new farm bill. We're going to get into this more later. But there's a problem coming up now because there's going to be an amendment to the farm bill. So despite years of, this is Marijuana Business Daily. Thank you very much. Despite years of.
regulatory progress at the state level, widespread national consumer adoption, and a growing acceptance of hemp -derived products. Overreaching politicians in Washington, DC are threatening to dismantle one of the nation's few growth industries, one built by small businesses and American hemp farmers. An industry -paralyzing amendment introduced in May by US Representative Mary Miller of Illinois, to my great embarrassment and shame that we would actually have somebody in Illinois who could be this blind and
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and ignorant to these things is just astounding to me but I digress. She's not my representative so I had nothing to do with her getting there. So okay, this amendment is now part of the draft farm bill. The inclusion of the amendment came without a roll call vote or insight from industry leaders, mom and pop retailers or consumers who use these products to improve their everyday lives. Millions of Americans have come to rely on CBD and hemp -derived cannabinoids for countless reasons including wellness, lifestyle choices,
and alleviating other various concerns. Now what is the nature of this amendment? Okay, well here it is.
Larry (01:09:05.006)
time out sorry I lost my amendment sorry
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get for trying to prepare everything at the last minute.
Larry (01:10:06.19)
Okay, I got it. Sorry about that.
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But they don't stop there. We now have, as we, no, I screwed up because I forgot where I ended last time. Hold on.
Larry (01:10:33.902)
So what is this amendment that Mary Miller from Illinois has introduced? Well, let's let her tell you about it. She says, my amendment will close the loophole created in the 2018 Farm Bill that allows intoxicating hemp products like Delta A to be sold. In other words, the block will redefine hemp to exclude intoxicating hemp -derived cannabinoids from the definition of hemp. So hemp.
not all of the hemp plant will be legal anymore. That part of the hemp plant that includes intoxicating hemp -derived cannabinoids will not be legal. Now, I don't know exactly how they're gonna do it because even though I have a very small mind when it comes to botany and things like that, cannabinoids are in the entire plant. So how do you have a hemp plant that doesn't have all of these cannabinoids but still has all the other properties that people who use hemp for non -medicinal purposes use it for?
I don't know. Maybe there's a way to use it like that. Maybe there's not. But it's not like you can say, we're just going to cut off the stems at the top or anything like that. And why are you doing this? For what reason? If you can already smoke marijuana in your state, which is a much stronger intoxicating cannabinoid, cannabis -derived product, then what's the problem with letting people use hemp that's a much less intoxicating product? That's one of the reasons.
why people like hemp in that instance, besides the fact that there's tremendous medicinal and psychological benefits that we've talked about on this show and that are out there and that anybody can Google and find. And now that it's been used so long in the United States, we see, we know. It's not just rumors anymore. Have you read stories about people engaging with THC hemp -derived products that they've overdosed, that they've died? No, you haven't.
It's safe to consume. It's safe to do everything with it. So this is just a dick ass move that somebody is just giving their middle finger to a big group of people out there for reasons that we don't know. She says, well, they're being marketed to children and sending hundreds of them to the hospitals. OK, we have to stop teenagers and young children. So let's cut off the head. Great idea. What about all the kids that drink alcohol and get sick and get sent to the hospital? But we're not cutting that off, are we?
Larry (01:12:59.086)
What about all the medicines that are out there that we see? Nobody is marketing hemp -derived CBD products, hemp -derived THC products to children. And if they are, then it's like any other group out there. You go out and you shut them down. You don't get rid of the entire industry. You don't say we're going to get rid of it. No, this is just, call it what it is. It's just bullshit. I'm sticking my nose in your business just because I want. But by God, don't send.
Federal investigators ought to do anything in my neck of the woods because we don't trust anything that comes out of the federal government, but we know better. It's enough to make you want to get stoned and have Mary Miller get stoned with you. But this is what's going on. We'll keep you posted on the new farm bill and whether this amendment ever actually makes it out there into anything that we really need to be worried about. And if it does, we'll be exploring ways that we can hopefully get rid of it once and for all.
One final thing before we drop back into 40 years ago, as I've done from time to time, I just want to let you know that lately on the flower side, my new favorite strain is Goof. It's a sativa from Michigan, and it's absolutely excellent. It tastes great, has a great effect, very uplifting, doesn't give you that post -sativa downer that you could normally get sometimes from strong sativas, and highly recommended. And then on the extract side, we're going to go to Missouri.
because i've become a fan of diesel punch number two which is a butane hash oil from elevate which is a missouri entity in the cannabis industry so check those out if you're ever in michigan or missouri tell me heard on the deadhead cannabis show for god's sakes because we like to support everyone out there if you've heard of the strainers try to strain that you like let us know we will be happy to talk about it just come to our website and
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Just a feel -good offer from Jerry. Here it is.
Larry (01:16:54.254)
We love Bertha. What a great song. The first song I ever heard The Grateful Dead play live. One of my all time favorites. It's certainly a favorite show opener. And this version was the latest I ever saw it played in a Grateful Dead show. Second from the end of the set. Followed by a killer sugar mag. It works really, really well just about anywhere they play it. And it was...
It was a great show. It wasn't like we were having a downer show and we needed somebody to boost us up. This was just a great version at a great show. And it just goes to show you never know with Jerry. And sometimes he's going to do strange things. And whatever inspired him to play it, we were happy to hear it. So happy, Grateful Dead played it 401 times. February 18, 1971 at the Capitol Theater in Port Chester, New York was its original.
It was last played on June 27th, 1995 at the Palace of Auburn Hills. Again, not too far away from Pine Knob. We got those Michigan connections going there. And it was released on the Grateful Dead, just Grateful Dead, the 1971 live album, also known as Skull and Roses or Skullfuck, which was the name the band wanted to give it, but the record company said, no, no, they won't work. It was the group's first album to be certified gold and remain their bestseller album until surpassed by Skeletons from the Closet, which ultimately got surpassed by all sorts
of other stuff I hope, because it's the greatest hit sale, but it shouldn't be their number one of all time. So I've talked a lot today. It's been a great show. We've just had a lot of content. I'm glad we could get to all of it. This has been a great episode. And this is just a great, grateful, dead show. It's very nostalgic to go back and think that it's been 40 years since we all said our goodbyes in Ann Arbor and went out on our separate ways. And yet here it is. It's just, you know.
one of those things and it's it's it's hard to believe because it does just really feel like yesterday we were listening to show how exciting it all is
Larry (01:18:53.23)
in a minute here we're gonna close out i'm gonna leave you with it's all over now baby blue which is the encore from that show that was a tune that also was first played in nineteen sixty six early one of the matrix in san francisco and last played on february nineteenth nineteen ninety five the delta center in salt lake city the first show i ever saw it ventura they played as the encore and i got to see it quite a bit but then in the the later years mid to late eighties and nineties it didn't get played with quite the same frequency but was always just a wonderful wonderful
way to head out into the night and to say goodbye. Bob Dylan classic. I want to give a birthday shout out to my good friend Harold whose birthday actually is today, July 1st. He was a star of last week's episode. Who was also at this show in Michigan as our Ann Arbor years came to a close. He actually had another year because he switched majors, but we felt like it. But Harold was there. Judy, who's now my wife, Deanie, Janet, Rick, Tommy, Andy.
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and our classmates good friends and dead show companions during the formative years of the next day i packed up my car and drove home to st louis but it was not the end i'd then went back up to chicago a few days later for the alpine valley shows as i said my first ones ever there and of the first of many for a few years there all the way through eighty nine before they left alpine and made their way over to soldier field one final shout out today as well to good buddy tom and his wife lady jewels on their anniversary
So July 1st, the first week of July, there's always a lot going on out there. My brother Jeff has a birthday. My good buddy, A -Well, has a birthday. And so I hope everyone enjoys themselves.
Larry (01:20:40.43)
have a safe fourth of july holiday weekend there's no new nepis no new episode next week i'm taking a holiday long weekend with ruby and others who may come along with us i'm sure that dan will have a wonderful rerun of one of our classic earlier shows i hope you listen to that but then i'll be back after that with more great content we're getting ready to head into the fish tour and be excited to talk about that
we have guests who are going to be coming on who will also be very interesting and so i hope you will join us as always have a great time celebrating be safe and enjoy your cannabis responsibly it's all over now baby blue thanks everyone