A Festival Odyssey: Phish, Mondegreens, and Moments with My Son Larry Mishkin reflects on his recent experience attending the Mondegreen Festival, a Phish festival in Dover, Delaware, with his son and friends. He shares his enthusiasm for the event, highlighting the performances and the significance of certain songs, including "The MoMA Dance" and "NICU," which have deep ties to Phish's history and fan culture. Larry provides a detailed history of Phish festivals, from the Clifford Ball in 1996 to the most recent Mondegreen Festival, noting memorable moments, attendance figures, and unique aspects of each event. The episode also includes a brief discussion on the 60th anniversary of The Beatles' performance at Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Denver, Colorado. Larry expresses his excitement about attending the festival with his son and reminisces about the special bond they shared during the event.
A Festival Odyssey: Phish, Mondegreens, and Moments with My Son
Larry Mishkin reflects on his recent experience attending the Mondegreen Festival, a Phish festival in Dover, Delaware, with his son and friends. He shares his enthusiasm for the event, highlighting the performances and the significance of certain songs, including "The MoMA Dance" and "NICU," which have deep ties to Phish's history and fan culture. Larry provides a detailed history of Phish festivals, from the Clifford Ball in 1996 to the most recent Mondegreen Festival, noting memorable moments, attendance figures, and unique aspects of each event. The episode also includes a brief discussion on the 60th anniversary of The Beatles' performance at Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Denver, Colorado. Larry expresses his excitement about attending the festival with his son and reminisces about the special bond they shared during the event.
MONDEGREEN
Phish
August 15 – 18, 2024
The Woodlands
Dover Delaware
Band’s 11th festival, NOT counting Curveball set for 2018 that was canceled at the last minute due to contaminated water supply due to heavy rains and flooding.
Nine year gap between MagnaBall in March, 2015 and Mondegreen, biggest gap between festivals in band’s history.
INTRO: Moma Dance
Night One, August 15, 2024
First Night, First Set, First Song (into Back On The Train)
Track #2
2:31 – 4:05
By: Anastasio/Fishman/Gordon/McConnell/Marshall
Played:
First Played: 6/30/98 in Copenhagen, Denmark
Most recent: August 15, 2024 (Mondegreen)
Current Gap: 3 shows
The title of “Moma” is another example of Phish Phonetics, cleverly transforming the moment ends lyric into a reference to a display of “The Rhombus” at New York City’s Museum of Modern Art (MoMA).
Mondegreen: are they saying, “The Moma Dance” OR “the Moment Ends”??
SHOW No 1: NICU
Night One, August 15, 2024
First Set, 6th song (out of Roggae and into A Wave of Hope)
Track #7
3:00 – 4:56
By: Anastasio/Marshall
Played 156 times
First Played: 3.6.92 at The Music Hall in Portsmouth, NH
Most Recent: August 15, 2024 (Mondegreen)
Gap: 3 shows
Has any Phish song had as many names with as many explanations as “NICU”? At its debut in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, Trey introduced the song as “In an Intensive Care Unit.” Shortly thereafter, the name was changed to “NICU,” which some considered a play on a line from the backing vocals in the chorus (“and I see you”) and others noted was the abbreviation for the Neonatal Intensive Care Unit.
Shortly thereafter, the “controversy” began, as controversy can only begin among rabid Phish fans. Some called the song “And I See You.” Some stuck with the original “In an Intensive Care Unit.” Other interesting theories developed, including one from the Internet where a fan noted that the elements Nickel (NI) and Copper (Cu) are side-by-side on the Periodic Table and that the title “NICU” may thus be a reference to nickels and pennies or, more likely, small change.
Title is a Mondegreen for “And I See You”
Music News (from Mondegreen)
Matthew’s crew: Matthew, me, Donny, Jake, Dave and Seth
Michigan Crew: ???
NYC Crew: Max & Jess, Joey and Darby, Darby’s brother, Brad and Sam, Dan the drummer (and?), Dude from Florida and girlfriend (??), Tesh,
WHO ELSE SHOULD I MENTION?
CLEVELAND CREW: Kevin, two buddies? Aaron Anyone else?
Hot and humid/ AC units
Tents v. RV’s/bathrooms/food/water and ice/maintenance
Storm – cut Sunday short
Modern weather technology – good and bad
Just like 2022 Sacred Rose Festival
Secret Set on Aug. 16th second night
Driving 12 hours each way
SHOW No. 2: I Am Hydrogen > Weekapaug Groove
Night 3, August 17, 2024 – Second set opener traditional Mike’s Groove>Theme From The Bottom
November 11, 2012, MSG, NYNY
Mike’s>Chalk Dust Torture>I Am Hydrogen>Weekapaug
Phish | 12.29.11 | Mike's Song → Chalk Dust Torture → I Am Hydrogen → Weekapaug Groove - YouTube
15:44 – 17.43
I Am Hydrogen
By: Daubert/Marshall/Anastasio
Played: 350 times
First: April 6, 1985 at Finbar’s in Burlington, VT
Most Recent: August 17, 2024 (Mondegreen Night 3)
Gap: 1 show
The story of “I Am Hydrogen” is a love story. Conceived by Tom Marshall and Marc Daubert around 1984-85 on piano and acoustic guitar, they brought their creation over to Trey’s house, where it was recorded. Trey added a harmony to it on his electric guitar, and the “Hydrogen” we have come to know was born. Initially intended for Tom, Marc, and Trey’s band Bivouac, “Hydrogen” ended up in the Phish lineup and made its debut, all alone, on 4/6/85. After a few years, it became the connector between Mike’s Song and Weekapaug Groove.
Into
Weekapaug Groove
By: Anastasio/Fishman/McConnell/Gordon
Played: 523 times
First: 7.23.1988 at Pete's Phabulous Phish Phest in Underhill, VT
Most Recent: August 17, 2024 (Mondegreen Night 3)
Gap: 1 show
“Weekapaug Groove” takes its name from the town of Weekapaug, located on the shores of the Atlantic Ocean in southwestern Rhode Island. According to Mike, the song’s lyrics (“Trying to make a woman that you move, sharing in a Weekapaug Groove”) are meaningless. As Mike said in a 9/9/97 interview with Parke Puterbaugh:
“So we came back to Boston [from Weekapaug, after playing a gig there at a yacht club], and I guess we were in the van or the Voyager we used to drive in, and that song “Oh What a Night” came on the radio. You know that one? That awful Four Seasons song? We just constantly listened to songs and changed around the words as to what they might sound like. I always had a particularly hard time hearing lyrics anyway, so I always would sing a song on the radio, sing along with the wrong words. So the bridge of that song goes ‘Oh I-I-I trying to something,’ but I was singing it, ‘Oh I-I-I trying to make a woman that you move,’ which means nothing, 'sharing in a Weekapaug groove.’ So we all just started singing that, as complete nonsense: ‘trying to make a woman that you move.’ It never occurred to any of us that it had any meaning, ever. There was a period of time that we were singing it, and I used to just yell out the lyrics, between singing them I would just yell them out as if I was preaching them, just to sort of make it more ironic that they have no meaning.”
SHOW No. 3: Yamar
Night 4, August 18, 2024 – First set 10th song out of Stash and into Timber
August 17, 1996, Clifford Ball, Plattsburgh AFB, Plattsburgh, NY (1st Phish Festival) into It’s Ice
Phish-Ya Mar-Clifford Ball (youtube.com)
0:13 – 1:45
By: Cyril Ferguson
27th November 1951 - Cyril 'Dry Bread' Ferguson was born in Nassau, New Providence, Bahama Islands.
Ferguson was a Bahamian musician and entertainer. He composed songs in the genres of goombay, calypso and Bahamian pop music.
Some of his more popular songs include: Ya Mar, Sunshine On My Body, Bahamian Music and Don't Squeeze The Mango.
Ferguson died of complications related to diabetes on 9th April 2009.
“Ya Mar” resides as a favorite in the hearts of many fans. It represents one of Phish’s few forays into calypso and is among the most playful and danceable songs in the band’s repertoire. And anytime Trey screams for Page to take the reins – “Play it, Leoooooo!” – the crowd is apt to go wild. Page’s nickname actually comes from this line in the original, where The Mustangs urged their own piano man to step into the spotlight. The title seems to reference the slurred interpretation of “your ma,” as the singer recounts the disdain his lover’s family has for him. Phish put their own unique stamp on it by often changing the “no good pa” lyric in the chorus to mimic their own “oh kee pa” phrase.
Played: 232 times
First: 2.21.1987 at Slade Hall, UV, Burlington, VT
Most Recent: 8.18.2024
Gap: 0 shows
Marijuana News
SHOW No. 4: Simple
Night 4, August 18, 2024 – First set second to last song of Izabella and into Golden Age
July 27, 2024, Alpine Valley, East Troy, WI second set out of Sigma Oasis and into The Howling
Phish - 7/27/2024 - Simple (4K HDR) (youtube.com)
0:18 – 1:28
By: Gordon
Played: 209 times
First: 5.27.1994 at the Warfield Theater in San Francisco
Most Recent: August 18, 2024 (Mondegreen Night 4)
Gap: 0 shows
"Simple" was first written and recorded by Mike Gordon in a four-track medium in the Doo-wop style and introduced to the band during the studio sessions forHoist. This version reflected the country and bluegrass writing style of many previous Gordon compositions. The song was left off of the albumand the band showed hesitation in performing it live.
Then, on 5/27/94, “Simple” debuted in a very strange and raw fashion during the “Mike’s Song” at the Warfield in San Francisco. In contrast to the song we know today, the debut version of “Simple” was Mike’s original lyrics sung by the band members over a jam that had emerged from “Mike’s.” Three weeks later, “Simple” was played for a second time at the historic 6/17/94 gig, the same night that much of the country was watching the low-speed police chase of O.J. Simpson’s white Ford Bronco through L.A. This version was significantly reworked and sounded much like the “Simple” we are accustomed to hearing today, with the exception of a minor humoristic augmentation providing the line “We’ve got O.J., cause we’ve got a band.”
Mondegreen: We’ve got a cymbal (simple) cause we’ve got a band
OUTRO: Twee Pri
Night 3, August 17, 2024 – Encore out of YEM into end of show
April 20, 2024, The Sphere, Las Vegas, NV Encore out of A Life Beyond the Dream into end of show
Tvidler 202202 11 by Ryan Maguire (youtube.com)
0:00 – end
By: Anastasio/Fishman/Gordon/McConnell
Played: 321 ties
First: 2.1.1991 at Alumnae Hall, Brown University — Providence, RI
Most Recent: 8.17.2024 Mondegreen Night 3
Gap: 1 show
A "reprise" is a sort of musical afterthought – basically a reintroduction of and variation on the main theme of a piece of music. Thus, “Tweezer Reprise” is a slight variation – a condensation of sorts – of “Tweezer.” As it does on the album A Picture of Nectar, the “Reprise” often follows “Tweezer” in concert, most frequently as an encore song. It is also common as a second set closer following an earlier “Tweezer.” A few times, the “Reprise” has even been spewed out of some long, monster “Tweezer,” serving as the thrilling exclamation point at the end of a raging, set-long sentence (e.g. 5/7/94, 6/22/95).
On occasion, “Tweezer Reprise” has shown up as a surprise in a show where there has been no performance of “Tweezer” proper. Although usually this occurs because the “Reprise” will be referring back to a non-reprised “Tweezer” at the previous night’s show (e.g. 12/30/96’s “Tweezer” was reprised on 12/31/96), the song has been known to appear, albeit rarely, completely free from its Granddaddy counterpart, like on 9/29/99. The most interesting example of this, and perhaps the most unusual “Tweezer Reprise” ever performed, was on 12/8/99, which featured an a cappella version that came out of a “YEM” vocal jam to close the second set. The band later finished off the show with a traditional “Tweezer Reprise” to end the encore. Other interesting versions include 10/27/94 and 10/21/95.
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Hey everyone, Larry Mishkin from Mishkin Lawn, Chicago. Welcome to another episode of the Deadhead Cannabis Show. Today, we're going to have a very heavy focus on a wonderful experience that I just had a week ago when I got to join my son Matthew and his crew for four nights at the Fish Festival in Dover, Delaware, the Monda Green Festival.
and we're gonna talk all about that and have a good time with it that's where focus is going to be today so not a lot of dead talk on this show we have some cannabis news that we're gonna get to in a few minutes and we will do that we will have a little bit of grateful dead news because we always do but not very much but what i did was i picked out my favorite six songs from the big weekend and
Here's the first one I picked.
Larry (03:23.785)
so that is the moment dance now the moment dance was a perfect of first night first set first show opener and the reason is because of course the theme for this fish festival is the monday green monday green is a word for when you hear a word or song lyric and it sounds like something else than the intended word and it's close enough to whatever the context is that you can go forward and just always kind of say
the wrong name and so the other side of the moment dance of course is a play on the phrase the moment ends and as they see it over and over again the moment ends the moment ends the moment and some of the dance and before you know it or they sing the moment ends of the moment dance so it is a true mind agreeing of the first order and a great song for them to kick off the festival with out of the woodlands in dover delaware after twelve hour drive from chicago
accompanied by my son's good buddy Donnie, who is now my good buddy as we drove 12 hours each way across the country. We got out there and dived right into these shows and we're very, very excited about it. We set up our supplies in our glamping area, some food we brought in and other things that we had. And then we just dived right in and night one, August 15th, 2024, went out there and the MoMA dance kicks it all off. It's a song.
written by all the guys in the band plus tom marshall who's also been a lyricist who's works with tray over the years it's a song that's been played pretty frequently was first played on june thirtieth nineteen ninety eight in copenhagen denmark and its most recent being played was of course last thursday night we could go thursday august fifteenth twenty twenty four so that gives a current gap of three shows for you deadhead fans out there again the fish and keep track of the current gap
offer when a show was last played so you have that information right there for you now the title of the moment dances another example of fish fanatics cleverly transforming the moment and slurred into also a reference of to a display of the rhombus at new york city's museum of modern art or ammo and they momma so are they saying moment answer the moment and who knows but as they dived off into the night with this everyone had a good time and we were really ready to
Larry (05:48.905)
get moving now. The thing about it is that this was the first fish festival in a number of years. was a nine -year gap between Magna Ball in 2015 and Mondagreen about two weeks ago, week and a half ago, and that's the biggest gap ever between festivals in the band's history. Now, that does not count. Curveball, such for 2018, that was canceled at the last minute due to a contaminated water supply resulting from heavy rains.
and flooding in the Watkins Glen area. But I thought what better way to start than just to have a quick history of the various festivals done by Phish. These kicked off with the first one on August 16th and 17th, 1996, the Clifford Ball at the former Plattsburgh Air Force Base in Plattsburgh, New York, about an hour west from Phish's home base of Burlington, Vermont. The event was named after Clifford Ball, man who held events for aviators such as Amelia Earhart.
The name Clifford Ball had been known to the band for some five years before the Clifford Ball took place. The band was walking through the airport in Pittsburgh one day and came upon a small little plaque of a guy named Clifford Ball. Said he'd been a beacon of light in a world of flight. They just thought it was the funniest idea for a show. And so they had it. The next festival was the Great Went, August 16th and 17th, 1997, close to the US -Canadian border at the Loring Air Force Base in Limestone, Maine. The event was named after a quote from the movie, Twin Peaks.
fire walk with me so it was actually fun event that they had there now the third festival was lemon wheel and this took place on august fifteenth and sixteenth nineteen ninety eight again at lorraine air force base up in limestone maine this one had sixty thousand people creating a community of fans that made limestone one of the largest cities in maine over the weekend following that they had camp us we go was a two -night run hosted by fish on july seventeenth and eighteenth nineteen ninety nine
at the Oswego County Airport in Volney, New York. A small rural upstate town, 65 ,000 people attended. This event, through part of 1999's normal summer tour, is officially considered and was promoted as the band's fourth festival, despite the previously announced festival at Big Cypress, Florida, on December 30 and 31, 1999, and January 1, 2000. So then we go on to Big Cypress, the fifth and actually the largest of all of the
Larry (08:14.601)
festivals hosted by Phish. This one took place on the eve of the Millennium, December 30th and 31st into January 1st. December 30th and 31st, 1999 into January 1, 2000 at the Big Cypress Indian Reservation near Big Cypress National Preserve in southern Florida. 85 ,000 people attended, making it the largest Millennium concert on Earth that night, surpassing shows held by Sting, Barbra Streisand, Aerosmith, Billy Joel, Eric Clapton.
Rod Stewart, the Eagles, Eminem, Jimmy Buffett, Kiss, Metallica, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Elton John. On a 2000 cover story for Entertainment Weekly, three of the four fish members declared Big Cypress to be the greatest fish concert ever. It was also voted as the most popular fish show ever by fans in the final volume of The Farmer's Almanac. That's P -H -A -R -E -R -S. It was also the longest fish concert ever, culminating in a seven and a half hour second set for Midnight on New Year's Eve.
to sunrise on New Year's Day. was the only band at the event, performing five sets of music nearly 16 hours over two weeks. And as fans left the concert at sunrise, the Beatles' Here Comes the Sun played over the PA system. What a great way to usher in the new millennium. The sixth festival was the It Festival, and this took place on August 2nd and 3rd, 2003, back at Loring Air Force Base in Limestone, Minnesota. 60 ,000 people attended and had a great time. Coventry was the seventh weekend.
long festival hosted by the band it was the time was announced to be the final performance ever by the band it took place august thirteenth through fifteenth two thousand four at the newport state airport in the small town of coventry vermont fish was the only band at the event performing six sets of music over two nights that were the band's final life performances until their two thousand and nine reunion for fish three point so many fans camped out there that they created a community that became
the largest city in Vermont over the weekend. 110 ,000 people were expected to attend. It was simulcast to thousands more in movie theaters across the US. It was also simulcast on XM Satellite Radio. Unfortunately, a week of rain had flooded the concert field to the point where people were turned away, causing gridlock on the highway and roads leading to the site. There were rumors circulating that the stage was sinking. The band had made use of local radio station, turning it into the bunny radio with live reports. These reports requested patients from concertgoers
Larry (10:36.457)
However, when Fish bassist Mike Gordon came on the radio, he announced that the field and venue were in a state of disaster that no more vehicles would be allowed onto the venue. Rumors spread up and down the traffic lines that Fish would play another concert since less than 20 ,000 people had made it into the venue. Instead of turning away despite warnings from the National Guard, tens of thousands parked their cars on highway medians in breakdown lanes and on the side of the road. They hiked to the concert venue, some walking as far as 30 miles to the venue.
So this is kind of crazy, right? That's almost as bad as maybe even worse than when the dead tried to play at Tinley Park and shut down I -80. That was only three or four miles. But of course, that was an interstate highway. And this is Backwoods Country Roads up in Vermont. But Coventry was going to be the final shows for Fish. And this is when they said, we're calling a break for a while, gave Trey a chance to clean up his act, and the other guys to
take a little break and everything and I think kind of get their minds together and they came back in 2009 in Hampton and they've been going strong ever since so Coventry was a kind of a happy and a sad event happy because you were all together with all the fish crew but sad at the time because they were saying goodbye to the band a lot of emotion on the stage a lot of emotion in the crowd and nobody really knew so now we skip ahead to 2009 the band came back I want to say in March of that year
and in June 2009 the band announced to save the date for a three -day festival on October 30th to November 1st. .com contained an animated map of the United States and individual states were slowly removed from the map leaving California confirming several rumors the band announced that Festival 8 would take place at the Empire Polo Fields in Indio, California. The band played eight sets over three nights and included a musical costume on Halloween, Rolling Stones' Exile on Main Street.
and an all acoustic set at the crack of noon the following day. Before the acoustic set, the crowd was served free coffee and figure eight shaped donuts. The festival was filmed in HD 3D and portions of the festival released to movie theaters across the United States as Fish 3D. Members of the band Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings joined the band on Halloween night to perform a number of songs. They were just as nervous as we were. When we stepped up there and did the first two songs, the first one was Tumble and Dice and the other one was Sweet Virginia.
Larry (12:53.033)
Trey looked up at us after we got through the first song and gave us a wink, Sharon Jones said. Attendance figures for Festival 8 were estimated at 40 ,000 people. So the boys came back in 2009. Right away, it was festival time. Superball 9 took place at Watkins Glen International in Watkins Glen, New York on July 1 through 3, 2011. The first concert to take place at Watkins Glen International since Summer Jam
at Watkins Glen in 1973, which was the Grateful Dead and the Allman Brothers, part of a show of which we've featured before. Seven official sets were played throughout the weekend on the festival's main stage. In addition to the festival sets, one additional set featuring ambient avant -garde music similar to the It Festival Tower Jam was performed. The set was played late Saturday evening from a partially hidden stage contained in a self -storage building that had been constructed as the piece of the festival's various art installations.
attendance estimates for that festival were 30 ,000 people. Local officials were pleased at how smoothly the festival went and deemed the event a success. Now we have to skip ahead to March 8, 2015. Phish announced their 10th festival named Magna Ball. The festival was once again held at Watkins Glen International and took place August 21 through 23, 2015. Seven official sets of music were played over three nights.
An additional set was played late Saturday night behind a large drive -in movie screen installed on the back of the race tracks bleachers. The set again featured ambient music and projections on the screen with live videos of the band superimposed. The event's sound check was publicly broadcast. The festival sold out with attendance figures estimated at over 40 ,000 people. A live video stream of all three nights was offered for purchase on Livefish .com. That takes us to Curveball, which was announced on February 26, 2018.
all the festival was supposed to be held again at Watkins Glen and take place on August 17th through 19th 2018 however the festival was canceled on August 16th by the direct order of the New York State Department of Health torrential downpours and flooding throughout the Finger Lakes region of upstate New York led the health department to cancel the festival in order to protect the health and safety of concertgoers a mandatory requirement of boil all water was put in place during the week before and on Thursday August 16th the water was still deemed unsafe to drink
Larry (15:15.399)
as a result of the cancellation, Curveball ticket holders were given both a full refund and free live streams of all three nights at Fish's annual Dick Sporting Goods Park, their run at Dick Sporting Goods Park in Commerce City, Colorado, which was held two weeks later. That was a show that my son and members of his crew, many of whom went with me this past couple of two weekends ago to Monde Green, were there. And then of course we roll into Monde Green, the first festival since the cancellation of Curveball.
an idea gap between this one in magnolia which was the last time they actually played music at a festival and this was all set up in the woodlands as they say it over delaware also notice the side of the firefly music festival promotional art was heavily seemed after the wood location featuring trees in green colors had alien space theme of four days from august fifteenth to the eighteenth the first festival the last this long although the forest day with cut short as we'll get to in a little while
So really just a great festival and a lot of fun. And with the theme being Mind to Green, the moment dance was a wonderful way to start. Also on night one, August 15, 2024, another big Mind to Green fish tune was played. And here's what it sounded like.
Larry (18:31.441)
and i see you from night one the first set six long out of rogue a and then into a wave of hopes now for these first two songs moment dance in an icy you we've been hearing those that's been the actual music from the festival so as we go forward we don't have the same lock in that i'll explain to you as we go along what we're listening to and why but both of those songs were pulled directly from the archive dot org release of the first night of monday green august fifteenth twenty twenty four
and i see was a song written by tray and tom marshall's been played a hundred fifty six times was first played on march six nineteen ninety two at the musical imports mouth new hampshire and its most recent plane was again here august fifteenth twenty twenty four at monday green creating a gap of three shows so and i see you this just a crazy they for song because it's listed as all caps and i see
the letters what we have so after its debut in ports mouth trade to use the song isn't as an intensive care unit shortly thereafter the name was changed to n i c u which some consider to play on the line from the backing co vocals in the chorus and i see you and others noted was the abbreviation for the neonatal intensive care unit shortly thereafter the controversy began as controversy can only begin among rabid fish fans
Some called the song and ICU, some struck with the original in an intensive care unit. Other interesting theories developed, including one from the internet, were fan noted that the elements of nickel, Ni, and copper, Cu, are side by side on the periodic table, and that the title Ni, Cu, may thus be a reference to nickels and pennies, or more likely, maybe even small change. But here, of course, I think most people hear it the way it's played in the song, because if you do and ICU, but in course they use the Ni,
see you lettering so it's always good fun and the boys were in good spirits the whole weekend and really having a great time and that was a the opening of the first night was just really really solid got everybody off exactly the way you want to show to you want to show to start out and it was all very cool now one of the things that we're going to do is i've got a little more to talk about with this today but we do have some music news
Larry (20:51.249)
So we're going to break for the music news right now. And Dan, what do you got for us there?
Larry (21:27.753)
Hello?
Larry (21:33.266)
hey, I was cutting to the music news.
Larry (22:07.817)
Twist and Shout, a 1961 song written by Phil Medley and Burt Burns, later credited as Burt Russell, was originally recorded by the Top Notes, but it did not become a hit on the record charts until it was reworked by the Isley Brothers in 1962. The song has been covered by several artists, including The Beatles, Salt and Peppa, The Astronauts, and Chaka Demuse and Pliers, who experienced chart successes with their versions of the song. Now, what's also significant about this and why we're
talk a little bit about the Beatles today is that this past week they played a show a Beatles cover band played a show at Red Rocks in Denver and that was played i believe on August well strike that down just cut that part out sorry we'll go back to where it was played in Denver last week
Dan Humiston (23:02.848)
22nd.
Larry (23:04.905)
on the fiftieth anniversary of the Beatles performing at Red Rocks back on August 26, 1964.
Dan Humiston (23:14.016)
Stop. 60th anniversary. He said start over. Ready?
Larry (23:21.031)
60th anniversary, okay, I'll go back and correct that. Thank you
Larry (23:51.079)
and the Beatles are particularly relevant right now because just last week a one of the Beatles cover bands played at Red Rocks marking the sixtieth anniversary of the original Beatles performing at the Red Rocks amphitheater in Denver and I have to say I was unaware that the Beatles had played at Red Rocks when they came through the United States back in nineteen sixty -four
but luckily our crack producer dan humiston was right on top of it and snagged it in even was able to get part of the the review that was written up about the the show and talking about the the beetles at dot red rock san francisco back in nineteen sixty nineteen sixty four they say after having sat sold out all dates this for the u .s. the beetles only managed to sell seven thousand tickets
for their only concert at the spectacular Red Rocks Amphitheater near Denver, Colorado, leaving 2 ,000 tickets unsold. There had been some death threats. I remember going to one of the concerts at Red Rock Stadium in Denver where Brian and I climbed up on a gantry overlooking the stage. And we looked down at the boys below during the performance. And the amphitheater is such you could have a sniper on the hill who could pick off any of the fellows at any time. No problem. I was very aware of this. And so were Brian. And so were the boys.
Prior to the concert, the Beatles stayed at the Brown Palace Hotel. They took to the stage at 9 .30 p During the show, they frequently felt out of breath due to the thin air in Denver, so oxygen canisters were placed on the stage for them to use. Despite the insults on tickets with the show, the Beatles set a box office record for the open air stadium. The event was the earliest notable rock and roll performance at the venue. The Beatles performed their standard 12 -song set, which they retained for most of the tour. Twist and Shout, You Can't Do That, All My Lovin', She Loves You,
things we said today rollover Beethoven can't buy me love if I fell I want to hold your hand boys a hard day's night and long tongue Sally long tall Sally so you know there's just so much about that that's so amazing right that the Beatles played at Red Rocks that they only sold 7 ,000 tickets that they were only planning to sell a total of 9 ,000 tickets now I don't know how big the Red Rock seating area was
Larry (26:15.273)
when it back in 1964 but of course today it holds a pretty good number of people certainly in excess of twenty thousand people and maybe more and it's it's it's considered a showcase stage such that if you've seen a favorite band of yours in other places of the band is playing at Red Rocks many people will make the pilgrimage to Denver in order to be able to actually see a show or see their favorite band perform
at the Red Rocks Amphitheater. was lucky enough to see the Grateful Dead there. I've seen a number of other shows there over the years, primarily with good buddies Alex and Andy when we're spending time out in the Colorado area with them during the summers. But it's a beautiful place. It's funny that the Beatles played there. so that's what we start off with for our rock and roll in our music portion as we head into
that section of our episode today so let's first of all obviously talk about a little bit about what went down at Monda Green because this was just an amazing experience on many levels not the least of which is that I was there with my oldest son who's now 33 and he and I had an opportunity to spend a few days together out there we were sharing a tent in the glamping section but also it was nice to be with the rest of the crew who was in our immediate group that was friends Donnie, Jake, Dave and Seth
and matthew and i were in 110 and donnie jake dave and seth were in the other their tent kinda got chosen as the hangout joint so it had the the big sunscreen set up right outside their front door so that we could sit underneath that and get a little bit of shade and get a little bit of breeze which was necessary because it was hot and humid but it was really fun to see these guys dave and seth i know they grew up in
in Chicago in the hood with Matthew and have known them for a long, time. Jake is a fraternity brother from Sammies up at the University of Michigan with Matthew and Donnie is friends with Seth's older brother and as a result kind of met up with this group and became a part of their traveling crew when they're going out to see fish or whatever band it might be. Now that's already six folks if you include me in that.
Larry (28:35.699)
But then we also had the New York City crew. And the New York City crew runs through Max and Jess, because Max was the fraternity brother of Matthew's at Michigan. And at the Lockage shows a few years back, Matthew brought his Michigan crew, Max brought his New York crew. And they've just been really one big crew ever since. But coming from the New York crew who was there, and I got to see some of them I've met before, some of them I met for the first time. But Max and Jess, Joey and Darby, Darby's brother, Brad and Sam.
Dan the drummer, Mason and Amanda, their buddy Tesh, Schneider, Parker, Ari, Jerry, Victor, Rachel, and Allie. And I'm sure there's more who I'm forgetting or I didn't mention. And I apologize because you were all great. And I loved hanging out with all of you. And then, of course, we have the Cleveland crew, spearheaded by Kevin, who I've talked about on this show before. He and I have seen a number of shows together. And Kevin brought along his Cleveland crew, consisting of his buddies Pinwheel and Charna.
and then kevin's brother -in -law erin who's actually from chicago was there and erin had a buddy they were still the ones staying in an rv where we got to go to get a little air conditioning reliefs off from the heat humidity they were very hospitable and shows a good time there was also to montana groups writer and some of the other guys in the tent next door to where of the other four guys in our our group were camping in lot of sharing back and forth the food cooking utensils utensils cooking grill and
all sorts of great stuff they were very very nice guys and also from montana daddy introduced us to frances in the glitter crowd from the friday night show he made the connection that now grows the size of the extended crew exponentially be fun to see those guys again but certainly fun to spend an evening with them and folks who were as as out out very very publicly displaying other true love of fish and it's nice when you see that if he shows
sometimes people tend to be a little reserved but the Montana Glitter crew was all in and they were having a great time. Now on the family side I got to see Skye. Skye's married to Susie and Susie's my wife's cousin and they live out in California. Skye is probably one of the biggest fish fans I know. Susie may be the second biggest fish fan I know but I know Skye dates back at least to the island tour in 1998 maybe even farther.
Larry (30:56.717)
and he's just a huge fish fan it was very cool to be in a show with him on get to spend a little time with him here is perspective on things very insightful and pretty right on most of what he had to say about the band and you know that's always just learning from me to get to hear from folks who know it so well and sky and i've had a number of conversations about fish and about the grateful dead and similarities and differences in tray playing with the boys at the that's fiftieth reunion and
and just all sorts of stuff and each time i just come away with more knowledge about fish and it just pulls me in more and more to the whole fish thing now susie couldn't make it because they have two young boys at home and she she was staying home with the boys but in a quid pro quo susie's gonna be wrecking out at dix for a few nights this coming weekend while sky is home with the with the kids so you know what's what's fair play for one of the other
that's is is probably going to get all the bustouts that we were waiting for at my degree in which of course is just a little bit of tour humor now when i say that the bustouts i wanted talk about for a minute because the the band was also put Wednesday and they had their sound check and given the way everything was set up even if you weren't inside the venue and nobody was really allowed inside the venue at that time you could hear the songs that they were playing for their sound check in were two people managed to get recordings of it but this sound check
on august fourteenth is just absolutely amazing so they came out started playing a little bit of a jam and then they slipped into mystery achievement a pretenders to know bands that i'm i really like my wife loves them and mystery achievement is one of their later tunes i think but it's a it's a it's a great units a lot of fun the next two they went into was my show road up by the by the band the back
Now that's pretty much a late 1970s or 1982 and I didn't take the time to look it up but certainly when I was in high school this was a song that would seem to be going around all over the place and always makes me think of my good buddy Suzanne from Minneapolis who's originally a California girl and knows the actual and original Sharona for whom the song is named. They then, I love this, they're just, if nothing else, if not classic 1970s rockers fish,
Larry (33:16.637)
they covered slow ride song by fog hat they then covered the beetles day tripper which the grateful that actually played a few times so that would almost make it seem like they're covering the dead covering the beetles but they went to a great version of day tripper other than when into the allman brothers midnight writer followed by yeses starship trooper now that i would have paid anything to see i was always a big yes and turned onto them but my good buddy h in highland park growing up days
the starship troopers were just an amazing long prog rock song if you think about it if i think about it you know i was listening to extended jams from yes sir whether starship trooper or close to the edge which is one of my all -time favorite rock and roll songs and those are very very long pieces ten fifteen almost twenty minutes some of them and you know this was just a fantastic instrumental jamming
that was taking place in a time when the grateful dead were doing their thing as well but yes was not quite seen in the you know they weren't necessarily playing to the same groups of people that the grateful dead maybe jefferson airplane and those guys were but very popular not nonetheless yes the favorite band of my of matthews father -in -law ricky down atlanta a great man who's only too happy to always provide the good bourbon whenever we get together so quick shout out to ricky we love that
so starship trooper that they close it with stairway to heaven this was the subject from under green just absolutely unbelievable in terms of songs that they were touching on and as we heard that going in everybody was you know very excited hoping that we might get one or two of those songs if not more over the weekend but here's the spoiler alert they didn't play the ovens not one of those songs that they play over the four nights
so that raises the question of courses do we have the big breakouts coming for dixon will suzie actually be the one who scores here if she gets to hear some of those i'm not saying that our shows were great they were there really a lot of fun but a chance to hear the band jam through some of those two seems to me would be would be a very very wonderful experience as i say was hot and humid out there luckily at least the first three shows started in the evenings around seven o 'clock so the sun had pretty much
Larry (35:40.947)
gone down at least below the tree line. And that helped with the temperature coming down, a little less humid, and then it would actually start to get temperature -wise a little bit cool, dropping into the 60s. So by the end of the show, was very, comfortable. Matthew's crew, we were all staying in glamping tents, which were really quite an experience. Big, huge tents, plenty of room to stand up and walk around in. Little beds with small little springs, but nice mattresses.
and blankets sheets duvets you know pillows the whole nine yards could have been nicer little air conditioning units that worked really well at night when the temperature had already dropped down but didn't really put a dent in the heat that was generated inside the tent during the day when the sun was shining and beating down thank goodness for the cleveland crew kevin and his boys locked up in rv to to spend the weekend in and were kind enough to invite us over on that friday for a few hours of cooling off but you walk in and
and the central a c it's like i can breathe again but that was very nice a lot of fun but you know overall we survived and had a good time because of the section we were in we had the you quote -unquote nice bathrooms the ones in the trailers not just the the outhouses so the trailers are all air -conditioned and little private rooms with locking doors and you know nice little hand washing stations and everything that you really needed decent enough showers
that we know we could go each day and get all the dirt and grime off from the night before but you had to walk back to your tent then just walking back sometimes was enough to get the sweat going again but you know that's okay at least you got the first layer of dirt off so you weren't building up with the layer of dirt now they also had plenty of ice they had great maintenance crews one day we came back in our air conditioning unit wasn't working and they were joining on the spot get it fixed for us so i i have to say that overall the festival was run really really well
It was really a lot of fun to be there. They made it easy for everyone. They can't control the temperature, but according to the locals, we were lucky because it really should have been 10 degrees hotter that time of year. So I'll take what I get and be happy. We had no trouble sleeping at night because that temperature dropped and then the air conditioner could do their thing. It'd really cool us off. Now the only bummer of the weekend
Larry (38:02.085)
was on sunday on saturday night we got you when you got the loaded down the mind degree nap so he had notices of everything and every new everything that was going on and where to go to get it and what to do and what you needed and we all got notices on saturday night saying that there were reports that i guess was hurricane or nesto that week was had gone through the caribbean it was now looking to come up maybe the eastern seaboard that although it wasn't predicted to get dangerously close to land
as a result of it about passing by the eastern seaboard was kicking up the surf and generating lots of rain in the area and the predictions was that and i do call it a prediction because these days that's all it really is right that we were going to get a really really big rainstorm on sunday night could be heavy storm possibility of hail high winds and in an effort to avoid a
a real problem they rescheduled the sunday show to start at 1 p and that was cool we said okay great let's go start at 1 p and then when the show is over you know i thought process was we'll just go back to our tents ride the storm out thanks ario speed wagon and then get up on monday and take off like we always intended to do anyway we would be okay but we we for prudent sake and
listening to the advice they were giving up before we went to the sunday show we had most of the stuff in our tent packed up in and loaded up into our respective cars because it really rated a little bit dot one of the nights but we don't know what he really knew how the tense would sustain in a really strong rainstorm or if there was a lower high winds and we want to have our stuff as well protected as possible so we went out there for the so they show at one o 'clock
and the only part of other bummer was that sunday night every night after the shows they had alive dj dance parties and sunday nights like dj was scheduled to be quest love now apparently when they change the show they did bring a minute eleven in the morning but quest of eleven in the morning is not the same as quest love at eleven p at night you know at least depending on the state of mind that you're in and eleven in the morning when the sun was out it was very very warm
Larry (40:18.823)
we were not in a quest love state of mind but we did make it back over to the show are they came out and wonder plane one very long set of two hours it they'd been playing our half for sets of the second sets ranging from an hour and a half to two hours the first three nights but this was a two -hour set with one song on core in the thanks very much in you know be safe but you know to which you have to do to keep yourself safe now a little bit of a bother because
there was no rain coming down and didn't even necessarily look like there was going to be rain coming down and our phones didn't even show rain coming down until much much later in the evening so while we recognize they couldn't play late into the night we'd hope that that might play a little bit longer into Sunday afternoon but they called it when they did we packed up and got out of there and were able to join up with Max and Jess and Joey and Darby and some of the other New York crowd at a local motel where they had booked their travel package through
to some of the others in the new york crew had left early when they heard about the possibility of bath bad weather and headed back to new york so we actually had hotel rooms that were able to slide into the long and short of it of course is it never rained it never stormed it never hailed there was no high winds none of it ever happened and and i'm not a meteorologist and i'm certainly not trained on this i'm not gonna spend too much time talking about it but two years ago when the sacred rose festival was in chicago
out in bridgeview where they have the soccer stadium out there with the chicago soccer team the fire play the the sunday night all the sunday night sessions were canceled shortly after we arrived down there at the fairgrounds we can see the the lightning way off in the distance you could hear the thunder but again looking at our phones was cleared off the storm was never gonna come through the area where we were at it was missing us by a comfortable margin to the north but
you know out of abundance of caution they canceled that night which was a real bummer and and then here they did the same thing now again you know look i i understand their point of view and if they keep everybody there in a storm like they're talking about comes through and smashes up the campsite and people get hurt and injured or killed or what depending on the severity of the storm that would not be a good situation so i recognize what they did it was just kind of a bummer that had to be cut short that way you know but hey look it was what it was and
Larry (42:38.077)
and we accept that now on the second night august sixteenth they we got the regular fish festival second what they call the secret set and they kept talking about it teasing in the secret said of course i just naturally assumed the secret set that you know we get another hour so it's good you know great fish music or maybe that's when they play the covers so you can imagine our surprise when after the friday night show ended and we all have got this trade told us not to go away and relatively short time later
they had installed this like curtain on the stage would look like these long clear plastic tubes which they used to project video images off of it did their best to turn into a sphere like atmosphere notwithstanding their very very noble efforts it's really kind of hard to do because in the sphere so completely surrounded up over every which way you can look and here was just in front of you but nevertheless the images of the visuals were very nicely done and certainly i think created kind of the trippy psychedelic
atmosphere that they were trying to create but the music kind of caught us off guard because it just kind of sounded like like they were tuning up or like they were just kind of you know playing some odd or different you know notes or tunes definitely sounding like the Grateful Dead in space as they went on it began to take shape into a more solid musical and they actually went through stretches of of real rock playing with Trey switching from acoustic to electric and then back again but really jamming out some spots
and i did not know and really when you heard me reading about some of the earlier festivals apparently the secret said is always just a musical set kind of one long jam kind of this ambient music theme and that's what it was but given our state of mind some great images they were flashing up in the board whatever disappointment we might have felt it realizing it wasn't going to be you know another five eight nine ten songs it was still a very very cool moments it lasted for close to thirty five forty minutes
and actually was very enjoyable and thanks to max removing us all very close for that one we really had a chance to get up into the middle of all of it and really hear the music and see the the great images on the screens without having to strain our eyes too much but it was really an experience and if i ever go to another fish festival now i will know that the secret set is in fact ambient music and pay that'll be great
Larry (45:00.745)
I mentioned that I got to drive 12 hours each way from Chicago to Dover and then back. Shout out to Donnie for being such good company and also a good driver so I didn't have to do all of the heavy lifting but we really had a good time going both ways and the New York guys made their own ride up to New York where my son Matthew went with them so he could fly back home to Atlanta to his wife, to my wife who was there staying there for a few days during the festival and of course the lovely Miss Ruby who just turned 10 months last week.
and they're coming to visit in september and we are very very excited and looking forward to it okay dive into more music from the fish festival now as we dive in here i just want to point out that the rest of the songs were going to feature are songs that they played at the festival of at the time i put the show together this episode i was not able to find life performances of them from monday green the only my degree
show that i could found that had been posted on either archival relisting was the first night where i pulled of the moment and i see you from for the first two songs in this episode this next one that we're gonna listen to let's listen to the music enjoy it but understand this is from a different fish performance which i will identify on the back end
Larry (48:16.593)
okay so this is the mike's groove right mike's groove is mike's song into i am hydrogen into wikipod groove and this was a three song combo not unlike help on the way slipknot franklin's tower those played on night three of monday green august seventeenth twenty twenty four was the second set opener and it was a traditional mike's groove in the sense that they did play all three of those sometimes in between mike's song and wikipod groove
they'll throw in a different song it's traditionally I am hydrogen much the same way that slipknot is the traditional connecting song for help on the way and franklin's tower so this was the second set opener and from here they went into theme from the bottom but I really love the transition first of all I really like I am hydrogen I think it's a great great transition piece and I love the transition into wikipa groove
So let's talk about that. Am Hydrogen is actually by Dober, Marshall, and Anastasio. The band's played it 350 times. It was first played on April 6, 1985 at Finn Bars in Burlington, Vermont. It was most recently played on August 17, 2024, Monta Green Night 3, creating a gap of one show heading into Dix this weekend. The story of I Am Hydrogen is a love story. was conceived by Tom Marshall and Mark Dober around 1984, 85 on piano and acoustic guitar.
they then brought their creation over to Trey's house where it was recorded. Trey added a harmony to it on his electric guitar and the hydrogen we have come to know was born. Initially intended for Tom, Mark and Trey's band Bivouac, hydrogen ended up in the fish lineup and made its debut all alone on April 6, 1985. After a few years it became the connector between Mike's song and Wee Kapow Groove in the position where we know it today. Now they go from that into Wee Kapow Groove, which is a song by Trey
Mike John and Paige. That's been played 523 times. First played on July 23rd 1988 at Pete's Fabulous Fish Fest. Pete's Fabulous Fish Fest. Try to say that three times fast. In Underhill, Vermont. And it was most recently played on August 17th 2024. Mondagreen night three is creating a gap of one show. Now what we actually wound up hearing was a recording of
Larry (50:41.009)
fish playing i am hydrogen into wikipog groove from november eleventh twenty twelve at madison square garden in new york as i say the the version from monday green just wasn't available was just wasn't ready yet now the the backstory wikipog groove would take its name from the town of wikipog located on the shores of the atlantic ocean in southwestern roed island according to mike the song's lyrics tried a woman
try to make a woman that you move sharing in a Wicapog groove or meaningless as Mike said in a interview back on September 9th 1997 so we come back to Boston from Wicapog after playing a gig there at a yacht club and I guess we were in the van or the Voyager we used to drive around in and that song What A Night came on the radio you know that one the awful four seasons song we just constantly listened to songs and changed around the words as to what they might sound like I always had a particular hard time hearing the lyrics anyway
So I'd always sing a song on the radio sing along with the wrong words Montagreen So the bridge of that song goes I try to something but I was singing it I trying to make a woman that you move which means nothing sharing in a week of pog groove So we all just started singing that as complete nonsense trying to make a woman that you move it never occurred to any of us that it had any meaning ever There was a period of time when we were singing it and I used to just yell out the lyrics between singing them
i would just yell about as if i was preaching them just sort of to make it more ironic that they had no meaning now i think that as they had to week apart group and you hear that tremendous space solo from mike i think that's the best base solo in music today certainly is good candidate ike as good a candidate out there for the best ever i have to say never heard still play the base like that it's more of a less claypool style like they're playing the guitar all i think some people on that
sophisticated enough to know this but heard other people talk about tapping because when you can see up close while Mike's doing it he's doing it primarily with his right thumb going up and down tapping on the various strings as he plays it but it's just remember the first time I saw it live when I saw them at the Fox Theater in St. Louis back in 2009 and was just blown away by it then too really really incredible as they slide into that and certainly a highlight of the show and of the weekend for me because I always like
Larry (53:02.729)
hearing a Mike's Groovin up to that point my first five shows in Alpine and St. Louis I had not caught it which again is why we go on tour because I got to hear it at Mondagreen and was very happy. Now we come out of that and then we're going to skip ahead to night four or really day four because it was Sunday the show at 1 p and the band played this for us.
Larry (55:04.201)
Yamar, another fun fish tune and it was actually written by Cyril Ferguson also known as Cyril Dry Bread Ferguson who was born in Nassau, New Providence, Bahama on the Bahama Islands on November 27th, 1951. He was a Bahamian musician and entertainer. He composed songs in the genres of Goombay, Calypso, and Bahamian pop music. Some of his more popular songs include Yamar,
Sunshine on My Body, Bahamian Music, and Don't Squeeze the Mango. He died of complications related to diabetes on April 9, 2009. Yamar resides as a favorite in the hearts of many Phish fans. It represents one of Phish's few forays into calypso and is among the most playful and danceable songs in the band's repertoire. And anytime Trey screams for Paige to take the reins, play it, Leo. It's the long exaggeration out there. The crowd is apt to go wild. Now, we get to play it, Leo, also in NICU.
and one or two other tunes but it's always great when trey does it pages nickname actually comes from this line in the original where the mustangs urge their own piano man to step into the spotlight the title seems to reference the slurred interpretations of your ma as the singer recounts the disdain his lover's family has for him fish put their own unique stamp on it by often changing the no good pop lyric in the in the course to mimic their own okie pop phrase so another song playing around with monday greens
yamar your ma no good pop okie pop and the boys always just having a lot of fun with it you mars been played two hundred thirty two times first played on february twenty first nineteen eighty seven it's late all universe it's late all at the university of vermont in burlington vermont it was most recently played on august eighteenth twenty twenty four at monday green that was the last show so that means that has a gap of zero shows as everyone heads into
Dicks this weekend, so we'll see if you markets another appearance I know it's one of Kevin's favorite tunes and Always a crowd pleaser another one that I picked up that they hadn't played at the earlier shows So I was glad that I made it to Mondagreen and got to hear that We are now going to dive over into marijuana news for a moment because this is an important part of our show as well So Dan, what have you got for us on the marijuana news musical front?
Larry (58:10.377)
I'm good to go. Okay fine. Sorry. I got I got lost there for a minute my bad
Larry (58:22.505)
Mariah is the Jamaican word for cannabis. It is also the name of the 10th studio album by the Jamaican -based band Bob Marley and the Whalers, released in 1978. The album consists of tracks recorded alongside those released on the Exodus album. It was produced by the band. The album's release coincided with the One Love Peace concert, heralding Marley's triumphant return to Jamaica from exile in London.
three of the songs are new versions of tracks from the nineteen seventy one album soul revolution part two kaya reached the top five in the u k album charts so let's move on to marijuana news here and we've actually got some very interesting stories for you today and you know we like to keep making sure that we have positive stories whenever we can but we're gonna start with one unfortunate piece of reality that we just have to deal with it
keep having to deal with and that is again we have a group of GOP senators who are claiming that marijuana is a gateway drug as they oppose rescheduling and legalization and gateway drug may be just about the oldest and silliest argument that prohibitionists and people like the GOP bring around when they want to try and raise the specter or boogeyman of legal marijuana so they recently said
all that they remain opposed to marijuana reform in part because they believe cannabis is a gateway drug perpetuating the dubious claim as other republican lawmakers raise concerns about the biden's administration pushed to enact rescheduling from schedule one to schedule three in an interview with saint louis public radio that aired on monday senator josh holly a republican from missouri and one of the many times i have to embarrassingly admit that i am from the state of missouri
was asked about his views on various cannabis reform proposals including comprehensive legalization and bipartisan legislation to protect banks that work with state -licensed marijuana businesses and he says i just think that marijuana is still a gateway drug hollystead we have met it with medicinal marijuana which i did support missouri so if you want to get the medicinal benefits there's a way to capture that he did caveat however that he thinks the medicinal benefits of it are limited
Larry (01:00:38.739)
but while he knows the state's voters have since approved adult use legalization and would abide by the law he said he didn't vote for it and wouldn't support extending it i think for kids and teenagers the dangers of that the long -term the longitudinal use i think the dangers are high holly said i think what it leads to is dangerous okay this is holly who gave the fist to the pro rioters before he went in to the house
other excuse me the senate chambers to vote to approve brightness president back on january sixth and that of course after showing that support of solidarity was later seen on an interior video camera footage of him running out as the protesters came marching in rather than creating the with open arms is one of theirs but he took a high yielded out the door not the brightest guy in the world
embarrassingly have to admit that he was elected by the people of my state but also can't these days that it does actually surprising but say the marijuana is a gateway drug takes us back to the time of reefer madness i mean it just really does because let's face it if we're gonna play that game the way he's playing it the gateway drug the true gateway drug is breast milk or possibly formula if you were baby raised with formula rather than breast milk and i'm not pushing one way or the other and that i have no agenda
the point being the very first thing that we ever consumed as little babies because everything that we consumed the rest of our lives followed that so is it fair to say that milk from for a newborn is a gateway drug to everything else that they're ever going to do in their life and of course most of us they will know not really because we're smarter than that but just because somebody smokes marijuana and then later goes on and tries other drugs
doesn't mean that this is the gateway drug. The studies all dispel that. What they demonstrate is that marijuana is the easiest drug to get. Marijuana has the reputation of being a relatively safer drug when it comes to trying out the world of narcotics and dabbling over on that side of life. It's easier to get. It's one that kids, if they're going to try something, feel comfortable. Although please keep in mind that all the studies we show show that even that
Larry (01:02:56.803)
teenage smoking is going down so kids are even using that as much anymore but we're really talking about our people that have personalities that are very unique just like you have with alcoholics right we don't say that water is a gateway drug for alcoholics because they drink water before they started drinking alcohol right there's not one that leads to the other people have a particular sensitivity to alcohol when they start drinking it this is what happens people have addictive personalities and the marijuana doesn't take them
from marijuana to cocaine, it's just that along the way, marijuana is the first one that they're able to get access to. There's tons of studies out there that talk about this. Guys like Josh Hawley don't bother to read it. Instead, they try to give statements and act like they know what they're talking about. But when they call it, think marijuana is still a gateway drug, they immediately out themselves as people who really don't know what they're talking about. And when you want to say the medical benefits, the medicinal benefits are limited, that's again because he's not listening.
to this podcast and all the wonderful medicinal benefits that were always talking about that we have of for this for marijuana now he's joined by another one of my favorite guys in the senate rick scott republican from florida who said separately on last saturday that he also believes marijuana is a great gateway drug which has informed his opposition to federal and state -level reform including the legalization proposal on the ballot in his state of florida
he says i'm going to do everything i can to make sure those don't according to florida politics referring to both the cannabis measure and another ballot initiative on reproductive rights meanwhile a number of other g o p senators solely voiced opposition to various marijuana reform proposals including rescheduling in banking in recent interviews with ask a pals
razzle for example senator mit romney from utah said he feels rescheduling marijuana is a bad idea any of the marijuana is far more potent than people of my generation remember and this is a bad decision ask whether his opinion was based on personal experience the senator for me is not tried cannabis so basically doesn't know what the hell he's talking about right if you've never tried it and you want to talk about something being more potent now that was but you never tried it then you never tried it now you can't really speak to that so mit i'm sorry i like it but i'm digging you on that one
Larry (01:05:12.691)
And then we have Senator Mike Rounds, Republican from South Dakota, whose state will decide on marijuana legalization this November. And he said, I don't like it with respect to rescheduling, which would not federally legalize cannabis. Right, that's the problem with it. It's still schedule three. So Senator Rounds says, I think right now with the implications coming out on health care and now to reschedule a drug which clearly has health care implications and suggests to young people that it's less of a danger now, it's just a bad message to send. OK, so wait a second here.
he says it comes with implications coming out on health care as though the word implications itself means something implications is not a positive or negative implications means that there are thoughts about it that are coming out or possible things that are connected to it other we don't know yet or that we do know he just doesn't know it yet on the he's making statements that are completely out of out of touch with what the reality is of the known science
on marijuana which again it is safer than alcohol to save of the tobacco is has safer than nicotine is safer than it is safer than many things that may be one of the safest things you can put in your body because you can never od on it you can drink too much water and die you can drink too much milk and die you can eat too much food and die you can take cocaine and die you can drink too much alcohol and die you can smoke marijuana all day everyday for months on end and it will not kill you it doesn't kill you
now is it possible that he could possibly cause or lead to other potential health things along the way i think the answer to that is probably yes but that's the same thing like anything else just because you can use it indefinitely doesn't mean that you should but if people are going to really sit here and talk about how dangerous it is then we need to push back and have an understanding of what do they mean by when they say it's really dangerous or you know this we can't have the implications coming out of the health care what implications do you listen to my show rick
because if you did what you would know is that there are no negative health implications. One story we saw about the possibility that marijuana might play a role in the increasing the odds of individuals having cardiac events, a heart attack or something like that. But then just this last week we read another study that acknowledged that one that also said what they're finding even further is that individuals who have smoked marijuana before they have heart attacks
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recover faster and better from their heart attacks don't have relapses don't die have a more likelihood of coming back in and living through the the whole thing and willing much better lives right so that's we're we're just seeing things over and over and over again where in marshall blackburn got in on that that's no surprise either marshall talks about stuff all the time interest to be a culture warrior without having the slightest idea of what she's talking about
And they all fall into that trap here. And it's just absolutely amazing to me that they are doing this. Now, on the other hand, we have Senator Bill Cassidy, Republican from Louisiana, who's been critical of the Biden administration's process that led to marijuana scheduling proposals, still says reform would be a good thing, adding that it's better to tax cannabis and let licensed businesses access the banking system. Well, that's just common good sense, isn't it?
Now in the background, lawmakers are convening for the 2024 Democratic National Convention in Chicago this week, where Vice President Kamala Harris has been officially nominated and has accepted the nomination. And she will now be leading the ticket following President Joe Biden's decision to bow to the race. Delegates also voted on a party platform on Monday, touting Biden's marijuana pardons and rescheduling moves while calling for broader reform to expung prior records.
so we're all waiting still for a statement from trump about where he stands on recreation legalization measures little beyond the november ballot in florida where he's a resident after he said he's increasingly open to decriminalization of the state level legalization movement will maybe he can go talk to his buddy christy noem because we see that there's going to be but it's gonna be on the ballot in south dakota but don't forget it's already been approved in south dakota and then christy had the state's attorney go and file on action in the supreme court to have the vote overturned claiming being that the process by which signatures were obtained
to get the measure on the ballot we're done improper so the measures unconstitutional you know all these people with all this what's the one they said for the civil we see that like the holly we see the most missourians what legal marijuana but i don't think that what they're talking about is a gateway drug i can't get behind it so we're gonna use my warped morals in my work to understanding of how this works to deny something to people who were really denying them is an ability to become intoxicated in a way that safer
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and that provides health benefits in a manner that nothing else really does. Certainly, again, not alcohol, not caffeine, not nicotine, not any of them. But we just get this over and over and over again by these folks who think they just know more than us. So let's just move on for minute here and say, gee whiz, guess what, folks? Here's another one. So I hope that all these people we've just been talking about will take the time to get down off their.
high horse sorry for the pun I wish they were high and how they gonna react to this one marijuana moment thank you again for this fine content advises in an article from last week people who use marijuana are less likely to be obese a new study shows regular marijuana users are less likely to be obese and people who don't consume cannabis according to a new study in fact
The analysis showed a dose -response relationship between marijuana use and body mass index, with the lower the BMI classification, the higher the marijuana use. People who'd used cannabis when the past month were 31 % less likely to be obese than non -users after adjustment, the study says, while daily marijuana users are 32 % less likely to be obese than non -users. Likewise, people who were obese reported significantly lower rates
of past month's marijuana use. The study found that the prevalence of use among obese individuals was 35 % lower than non -obese respondents to the survey, a finding consistently observed across the levels of certain demographic variables, employment status, tobacco smoking history, marijuana legalization status, and certain medical conditions like asthma, arthritis, and depression. The new paper by Ray Merrill, a professor in the Brigham Young University's Public Health Department,
used data from the Behavioral Risk Faster Surveillance System, a telephone survey of US adults drawing from years 2016 through 2022. The total sample consisted of 735 ,921 individuals who completed an optional model on cannabis use during these years. Marijuana is correlated with lower body mass index report, said to be published in the Journal of Cannabis and Cannabinoid Research, concludes.
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As legalization and prevalence of the drug in the US increases, the prevalence of obesity may decline. It adds, however, that health care providers should view this outcome with the known health risks associated with marijuana use, which are not as many as the known health benefits of marijuana use. But that is still a good piece of advice that not everyone may be in a current position where smoking marijuana or using cannabis could be the best thing for them. And that's something that they should refer to their local doctors on.
And if their local doctors do not have a good working knowledge on marijuana's healthful benefits, then maybe they should go do a little bit of research and find out so that they're in a position where they can give their patients proper advice on using marijuana within the context of the way any of these studies talk about it. So this is just absolutely amazing, right? Because one of the things we think about with people who smoke marijuana is the mud cheese.
and it's a very common thing for people to say i went off to college i started smoking marijuana i had the much easier to gain my freshman ten or twenty or whatever you know you want to be because you're not home anymore nobody's keeping an eye on you it's easy to order pizza it's easy to go downstairs late at night to the vending machines and get stuff and by god when you smoke marijuana you have the munchies there you go well what do we have a study for over six year time period which saw a number of state legalization marijuana open retail stores
Current cannabis consumption on average went up. Past month use, for example, rose 9 % in jurisdictions where medical marijuana was legalized, while recreational markets saw an 89 % increase compared to areas where cannabis remained illegal. So despite cultural associations and stereotypes that link cannabis with binge eating and a lack of physical activity, more and more research indicates the reality isn't so simple. A study published earlier this year, for example, found that young to midlife adults
were neither more sedentary nor more intensely active after consuming cannabis. In fact, recent marijuana use was associated with a marginal increase in light exercise. Our findings provide evidence against existing concerns that cannabis use independently promotes sedentary behavior and decreases physical activity. Authors of that paper wrote, adding that the stereotypical lazy stoner archetype historically portrayed with chronic cannabis use
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does not acknowledge the diverse use of cannabis today. Another study published last year linked marijuana use to an enhanced runner's high and lower pain during exercise. Participants experience less negative effects, greater feelings of positive affect, tranquility, enjoyment, and disassociation in more runner's high symptoms during their cannabis versus non -cannabis runs.
According to these findings so these studies go on and on and on and on and we have them week after week after week and week after week We also have these idiots who want to sit there and tell us it's a gateway drug you cause of schizophrenia It's bad for your health You don't know it even though you think you want it You don't know even though you've smoked it and you love it, and I've never tried it. I'm here to tell you It's not right for you. I'm with the GOP
our platform is big government should stay out of people's lives except for abortion and marijuana and by god then we're gonna jump all over your lives and push our crazy ass bullshit all over you and you can do whatever you want sorry folks that's not the way the game is supposed to be played they should know better and that's just something that i feel really strongly about and if you don't feel the way i do well everybody's entitled to their opinion i just can't stand all the hypocrisy all the bullshit all the fake news all of the alternative facts
that they want to try and shove down our throats when the reality is we see week after week are all the amazing benefits that come from marijuana, all the positives. And yes, like anything else out there in the world, it could probably harm some people if they have an allergy to it, if they can't handle it, if they misuse it. All of these things are possible. They're also possible with everything else that's out there. But only with marijuana do we make this distinction where we say we're going to not only just make it illegal, we're going to call it the worst illegal substance that's out there.
schedule one and just even get it to schedule three we hear all these GOP members squawking away but they don't know shit about what they're talking about you can't take them seriously and I find that's the truth on just about everything they open their mouth to say but that's another story and not the subject of this podcast the subject of this podcast is Grateful Dead and Marijuana we've talked marijuana we haven't really talked a whole lot of Grateful Dead today I think the biggest thing to know about the Grateful Dead is that
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Tomorrow on the fuck you just see this. Sorry my bad
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The biggest thing to know about the Grateful Dead is that tomorrow, August 27, 1972, will be the 52nd anniversary of the Grateful Dead's concert from Vanita, where they played a show to help support Ken Kesey's brother's creamery.
that was up there that will do a lot of business in the tape one of the able to help support so they did a concert from the old renaissance fairgrounds in the need oregon which was very close to work easy was located on this is your of course of the mary pranksters and the further boston and all this kind of stuff and it was an amazing concert was a blistering hot oregon day people were passing out all over the place or spring the crowd with water we featured the song on the show before
the dead have a separate release just this show on a beautiful box set with all the artwork the whole story behind everything absolutely incredible concert that they played that day and so because we are grateful that show i think it's important to acknowledge that that is the case and certainly something that is happening and you are if you if you like to do those kind of things tomorrow stop it go on to archive dot org and pull down the veneta oregon show
from August 27, 1972. And you will have an amazing show that you can spend the day enjoying. And you don't have to be out in the hot sun like everybody else was when they were there. So now let's dive back into fish and the whole Mondo Green experience. And we have yet another Mondo Green song. Dan, why don't you spin this one for us?
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so this is a simple song by mike gordon this was played at monda green on day four august eighteenth it was the first set are really the only set of the day of the second to last song coming out of tremendous cover of jimmy hendrix isabella one of my favorite covers that they play and into another one of my favorite covers golden age by tv on the radio we've talked about that too on the song before and golden age basically ended the the second set
on the last day they on cord with fuego and we were on our way the version that we just listen to was just a few weeks earlier july twenty seventh twenty twenty four at alpine valley in the east roya wisconsin and it was in the second set out of the second set opener sigma oasis and then they eventually went to the holland but not until forty one minutes later this was the forty one minute version of simple that we talked about last week it was absolutely incredible to hear but it was fun to hear it again
just in growth of forty one minutes this time at my degree but it really was a great tune it's been played two hundred nine times by the band the first time they played it was on may twenty seventh nineteen ninety four at the war field theater in san francisco most recently was their last show on august eighteenth at my degree and day four so this also has a cap of zero shows the song was first written recorded by mike
in a four -hour track medium in the doo -wop style and introduced to the band during the studio sessions for the album Hoist. This version reflected the country and bluegrass writing style of many previous Gordon compositions. The song was left off the album and the band showed hesitation in performing it live. Then on May 27th, 1994, debuted in a very strange and raw fashion during the Mike song at the Warfield in San Francisco. In contrast to the song we know today, the debut version of
was Mike's original lyrics sung by the band members over a jam that emerged from Mike's. Three weeks later, Simple was played for the second time at the historic June 17th, 1994 gig, the same night that much of the country was watching the low -speed police chase of O .J. Simpson's white Ford Bronco through Los Angeles. There was also an NBA championship game going on that night. I want to say between the Houston Rockets and the New York Knicks, if I recall correctly.
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Now this version was significantly reworked and sounded much like the simple we are accustomed to hearing today with the exception of a minor humoristic augmentation providing the line, we've got OJ cause we've got a band. Of course the Monda green here is the name of the song is simple and the very first line is we've got a symbol, symbol, simple, we've got a band and yes that is all bunch of fun and we really like that. Now this inspired me just a little bit to track down some Monda greens
from grateful dead songs themselves as well and i was able to come up with a pretty good list at least monday greens that i'm familiar with because before i learned actual lyric phrases this is what i came up with so the first one we got from he's gone where they say cat on a tin roof dogs in a pile i thought forever was dogs in a pound which made sense to me a dog pound and that's what i thought they were saying it always bothered me that it didn't rhyme
nothing left to do but smile smile smile didn't rhyme with dogs in a pound but I was wrong in black Peter the line Annie Bonneau in the opening chorus I always thought they were saying anyone knows but no it's the lovely miss Annie Bonneau who they were talking about and then they go on to say in the song from San Angel and I thought they were always saying from Stan and Jim which made absolutely no sense of course
But neither did anyone knows right in the middle so now that I know all the lyrics I can appreciate the tune a light a lot more in me and my uncle taught me good Lord I the way Bobby saying it I thought he was always saying taught me good luck Learned it and that's fine as well on greatest story ever told The second verse starts off with Gideon comes in referring to Gideon from the Bible when I first heard it I thought they were saying Gideon
and i asked my wife was not my wife at the time who the hell is kitchen and she said you idiot they're talking about the bible it's kiddian as a yeah okay i get that alabama getaway just turn around and leave and walk away i thought the way they were saying it's time to sit down then leave and walk away and of course that made no sense either but once they turned it down slowly enough actually read the lyrics i was able to pick up on a cherry skips over that line very quickly so there were at least i say you know
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others an explanation for mean i'd understand it they sing the song the races on true love scratched for another sake and i kept thinking they were saying for another day i'd never got the sick part i thought they were saying true scratch for another day finally found that one as well on the eyes of the world follows a wagon behind him that's loaded with
clay and I thought that they're always saying loaded with hay but got that wrong one wrong as well West LA fadeaway looking for a chateau right a house a French version of it I was thought they were saying looking for a shadow and then in Dark Star they would sing the perpetual nightfall of diamonds which I for years insisted was nightfall of darkness because when I heard nightfall it just conjured up the image of darkness in my mind
even though i heard the word diamonds i kept saying darkness for a long time to realize that that just sounded stupid and i had to stop so it's it's so i did sold you know good fun monday green stuff out there as i was saying just so many other great shows songs that they played that i just didn't have time to fit in today from night one there was an awesome wolf man's a wolfman's brothers sand which is just becoming more and more one of my favorite favorite fish tunes
Tremendous chalk dust really played with a little bit of an edge and Trey having a great time Cross -eyed and painless and we've covered this before in here. So I didn't feature it on this show But you know from remain in light the rolling fifth rolling stones. Listen to me the talking heads Remain in light. I think one of the greatest albums ever and cross -eyed maybe the top song on the album in my humble opinion It's awesome. And then also on night one a great slave to the traffic light making us all think of Jason over in Israel hanging tight and keeping the world safe and
shout out to jason and his folks because we're always thinking of them these days night to i thought some of the other really good tunes peaches and regalia a frank sap a cover and this was the first time i ever heard fish play it and thought the play it really well they played a great version of tube i'd mentioned earlier great no man in no man's land they played ruby waves and i just featured in the right featured again the coinciding that with my granddaughters ten -month birthday
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that's always special this time i got to actually see it with matthew it was wonderful of course all of his buddies the guys and the gals are all running over to give him a hug and because they all know the story about ruby and ruby waves and that was very cool they did a very very great harry hood that i thought was very nice to close out the night and like i said we got the secret set and i feature any of it because it's it's it's you can't just hear like a thirty or forty second segment of it
and really get a feeling for it but i would look for it in some words can be downloaded eventually there on youtube or relisting or archive and you just have to listen to the whole thing and i think we listen to the whole thing it really comes together you get a much better appreciation of it and you know just try to imagine what they had upon the on the screen and i'm guessing that there will also be videos of that that will be released both very fairly shortly and you'll be able to do all of that as well night three
like i say you know the hydrogen mike song was great the play a great david bowie a great version of meat stick first time i ever heard that the wonderful down with disease always love that a fantastic boogie on reggae woman and a closer with kareen e which i'm not learning to like a little bit more and more just taking a while day four there was a fun kill devil falls sigma oasis we featured you mara the show that was great we talked about isabella
Simple and Golden Age, just some really, really great music and really fun for everybody and a great way to really end it. Before we go out, I do want to give a couple of quick birthday shout outs. I've been talking about Ruby Alth's show. She's now 10 months old. And so we got that beautiful Ruby Waves on night two in the second set out of No Man's Land and into Pillow Jets and then into Mike, Pat, Ken, then back into Ruby Waves. A wonderful Ruby sandwich.
delicious just like she is little tiny cutie who we just love to death. Then I have to give a shout out to Libby, my good buddy from Minneapolis. We will get him as a guest on the podcast one of these days. We just have to find something that he can come in and talk to us about. It's also going to be cousin Mark's birthday. Cousin Mark is the brother of cool cousin Brent. So cousin Mark gets a shout out too. And we give a shout out to our good friend
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michael who's newly engaged to jenna the new york couples could be getting married sometime about a year from now michael is my good buddy herald son and we're all very excited for all of them as they enter that next stage of life very cool time we're gonna go out and and all of this with i think you know the best thing that i love seeing at the end of a fish concert tweed pry it's a fun thing people call it the most exciting three minutes in rock and roll
on night three of monday green august seventeenth twenty twenty four it was there on core out of yam what you enjoy myself a multiple on core to end the show they'd played tweezer earlier in the show not the forty minutes special that we got down in st louis a couple weeks ago but a very very good version of the lesson that works two times in a row now that i've seen tweezer where the tweet price the same night instead of them pushing it off to another night the version we're gonna hear in a minute
is April 20th, 2024 from the Sphere in Las Vegas. It was the encore out of A Life Beyond a Dream and then bounced into the end of the show. It's an Anastasio Fishman Gordon and McConnell tune. It's been played 321 times. The first was on February 1st, 1991 at Alumni Hall, Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island. Most recently was the version I was just talking about that I got to see August 17th, 2024 at Monta Green, NYPE 3. So that's a one show gap.
and you know they talk about a reprise being a sort of musical afterthought basically a reintroduction of variation of the main theme of the piece to what does so tweezers reprises a slight variation a kind condensation of sorts of tweezers as it does on the album picture of nectar it often follows tweezers in concert most frequently as an encore song it's also common as a second set closer and following an earlier tweezers a few times the reprises even been spewed out of some long monster tweezers serving as the thrilling exclamation point
of the end of a raging long sentence. good example of that is May 7th, 1994, June 22nd, 1995. On occasion, Tweezer Reprise has shown up as a surprise in a show where there has been no performance of Tweezer proper, although usually this occurs because the Reprise will be referring back to a non -Reprise Tweezer at the previous night's show. Like December 30th, 1996, Tweezer was a reprise of December 31st, 1996.
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the song has been known to appear albeit rarely completely three from its granddaddy counterpart like on september twenty ninth nineteen ninety nine the most just interesting example of this and perhaps the most unusual tweeter reprise ever was on december eighth nineteen ninety five nine which featured in a cappella version the kina out of the u n join myself vocal jam to close the second set the band later finished off the show with a traditional tweezers reprise tn the encore other interesting versions included co october twenty seventh ninety four october twenty first
ninety five when they go into a trace jump in and down bouts and all over the place it was a lot of fun to see out in monday green it's a great way to close out our mind agree special here everybody i have a great week enjoy yourselves if you're going to dix be safe travel safe have a great time out there and i hope you get the bust outs that we didn't get until next time larry michigan sign it off and always use your cannabis responsibly thanks