"Jamming at Borderland: Goose, Trey Anastasio, and More Shine Bright" Larry Mishkin welcomes the Deadhead Cannabis Show's sound editor, Jamie Humiston to discuss his experience at the Borderland Music and Arts Festival. Jamie highlights various bands that performed, including Goose, Trey Anastasio's Classic Tab, and The Infamous Stringdusters. Jamie shares their impressions of the festival's atmosphere, mentions a cannabis-infused hot sauce that he discovered, and provides insights into the different musical acts. The conversation touches on the evolving jam band scene and the unique charm of festivals. .Produced by PodConx
"Jamming at Borderland: Goose, Trey Anastasio, and More Shine Bright"
Larry Mishkin welcomes the Deadhead Cannabis Show's sound editor, Jamie Humiston to discuss his experience at the Borderland Music and Arts Festival. Jamie highlights various bands that performed, including Goose, Trey Anastasio's Classic Tab, and The Infamous Stringdusters. Jamie shares their impressions of the festival's atmosphere, mentions a cannabis-infused hot sauce that he discovered, and provides insights into the different musical acts. The conversation touches on the evolving jam band scene and the unique charm of festivals.
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Going with a hot one, September 25, 1980
Grateful Dead Live at Warfield Theater on 1980-09-25 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive
Opening night of the Grateful Dead’s Warfield/Radio City acoustic/electric runs, recorded every night and best wound up on Reckoning (acoustic) and Dead Set (electric)
Warfield Run – September 25, 1980 – October 14, 1980
Radio City Run – October 22, 1980 – October 31, 1980
Prior to these shows, had not played a full acoustic set in concert since 1970 or maybe early 1971. As a result, a good number of songs that the Dead liked to play acoustic had not been heard in a number of years before this show.
first "Ain't No Lie" - last "All Around This World": 02-14-70 [706] - last "Bird Song": 09-15-73 [382] - last "Dark Hollow": 04-29-71 [550] - last "Monkey & Engineer": 12-31-70 [589] - last "Ripple": 04-29-71 [550] - last "Rosalie McFall": 11-08-70 [609] - last "Roses": 01-12-79 [118]
INTRO: Birdsong
Track No. 1
1:00 – 2:13
From Jerry’s first solo album, “Garcia” released Jan 20, 1972.
Robert Hunter lyrics: Robert Hunter originally wrote the song as a tribute for Janis Joplin. Phil Lesh now sings "All I know is something like a bird within him sang", transfering it Jerry Garcia instead.
First played Feb. 19, 1971 Capitol Theater Port Chester
Last played June 30, 1995 Three Rivers Stadium, Pittsburgh
Played by the Dead 300 times in concert
This was the first time played since 9.15.73 (382 shows)
This version is amazing both because it is acoustic and Jerry’s voice is so strong. Makes you fall in love with the song all over again, or, as One Armed Lary would say, “taste it again for the first time” although I don’t think he was talking about this song, or any song, when he said it (Deer Creek 1989).
SHOW #1: I’ve Been All Around This World
Track No. 2
1:23 – 2:16
The origins of I've Been All Around This World are not easy to trace. It possibly derives from a number of different songs. The 'Hang Me, Oh Hang Me' verse is thought to derive from the traditional song My Father Was A Gambler, a US ballad, which is thought to be about a murderer who was hanged in 1870.
The song has also been collected under such titles as "Diggin' on the New Railroad", “The Gambler, ” “My Father Was a Gambler,” “The New Railroad,” “The Hobo’s Lament,” “The Hobo’s Blues” and "Hang Me, Oh Hang Me". In 1930, George Milburn published a book entitled the Hobo’s Hornbook that included a version of “I’ve Been All Round this World”. It was also found in Henry Marvin Belden's "Ballads and Songs Collected by the Missouri Folk-Lore Society". The book was printed in 1940 but the song was "secured by Miss Frances Barbour in 1917 from the singing of Minnie Doyle of Arlington, Phelps County [MO]".
Dead’s version is “Traditional, arranged by the Grateful Dead and they all get credit (Pig Pen days)
Released on History of the Grateful Dead, Vol. ! Bear’s Choice (a live album by the Grateful Dead. It is their fourth live album and their ninth album overall. Released in July 1973 on Warner Bros. Records, it offers concert highlights recorded February 13 and 14, 1970 at the Fillmore East in New York City. Often known simply as Bear's Choice, the title references band soundman Owsley "Bear" Stanley. It was originally intended to be the first volume of a series.)
First played by the Dead on December 19, 1969 at the Fillmore West
Last played by the Dead on December 31, 1980 Oakland Civic Auditorium
Played a total of 19 times in concert
This was the first time played by the Dead since Feb. 14, 1970 (706 shows)
I really love the acoustic guitar in this version. Jerry can pick with the best of them.
BORDERLAND SEPT. 15, 16 AND 17
EAST AURORA, NY (JUST OUTSIDE OF BUFFALO)
5th year
The Borderland Music + Arts Festival celebrates the rich history and renaissance of the region with a three-day music and cultural festival set in one of the most scenic and storied grounds in all of New York State, Knox Farm State Park.
Great lineup with headliners:
Goose
TAB
Moe.
Also featuring: Infamous String Dusters
Dawes
Sammy Rae and Friends
Neal Francis
Not Fade Awa Band (Dead and Zeppelin covers)
Eric Krasno
Brandford Marsalis
Anders Osborne
Etc.
Jamie Humiston was there.
Jamie – discuss festival, highs, favorite acts, etc.
SHOW #2: SONG FROM BORDERLAND
GOOSE
SHOW #3: SONG FROM BORDERLAND
TREY AND DAWES
Back to the Dead from 9.25.1980
SHOW #4: Oh Babe It Ain’t No Lie
Track No. 8
:10 – 1:35
By Elizabeth “Libba” Cotton
January 5, 1893 – June 29, 1987)[1][2][3] was an American folk and bluesmusician. She was a self-taught left-handed guitarist who played a guitar strung for a right-handed player, but played it upside down.[4] This position meant that she would play the bass lines with her fingers and the melody with her thumb. Her signature alternating bass style has become known as "Cotten picking".[5]NPR stated "her influence has reverberated through the generations, permeating every genre of music."[6]
Her album Folksongs and Instrumentals with Guitar (1958), was placed into the National Recording Registry by the Library of Congress, and was deemed as "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant". The album included her signature recording "Freight Train", a song she wrote in her early teens.[7] In 1984, her live album Elizabeth Cotten Live!, won her a Grammy Award for Best Ethnic or Traditional Folk Recording, at the age of 90.[8] That same year, Cotten was recognized as a National Heritage Fellow by the National Endowment for the Arts.[9] In 2022, she was posthumously inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, as an early influence.[10]
David Dodd: The song debuted in the Dead’s repertoire during their Warfield run on September 25, 1980, and was then played ten times over the course of the acoustic shows at the Warfield and Radio City Music Hall runs. After that, it made three more appearances, in one-off situations such as an acoustic set at the Mill Valley Recreation Center, or in the Netherlands for an acoustic set, and finally at Marin Vets, on March 28, 1984, in a performance that kicked off the second set, without Weir and Mydland onstage.
However, I know the song had been “around” for much longer than that. It appears on the studio outtakes from Garcia’s Reflections album, as released in the All Good Things box set. And personal interviews with Garcia’s circle of acquaintances in Palo Alto in the early 1960s make it explicitly clear that he was familiar with the work of Libba Cotten. So I expect Garcia had performed the song many times during his folkie period, and it may have been in the Jug Band repertoire.
Dodd: An avid Grateful Dead concertgoer for more than two decades, David Dodd is a librarian who brings to the work a detective’s love of following a clue as far as it will take him.
Author of:
The Annotated Grateful Dead Lyrics
OUTRO: Ripple
Track No. 9
3:04 – 4:30
From American Beauty (Released Nov. 1970)
Robert Hunter wrote this song in 1970 in London on the same afternoon he wrote "Brokedown Palace" and "To Lay Me Down" (reputedly drinking half a bottle of retsina in the process [3]). The song debuted August 18, 1970 at Fillmore West in San Francisco. Jerry Garcia wrote the music to this song.[3]
Between 1970 and 1971 the Grateful Dead played the gorgeous Garcia/Hunter tune “Ripple” a number of times both electric and acoustic before putting the song in mothballs until 1980. Though the Dead performed “Ripple” a whopping 27 times acoustically in 1980 and then once again unplugged in 1981, it disappeared from the repertoire for the final 14 years of the band’s career with one exception. On September 3, 1988 the Grateful Dead busted out an electric “Ripple” for the first time in 17 years for what would be the final performance of the tune.
As the story goes, which is unconfirmed, the band was approached by the Make-A-Wish Foundation with a request from a young fan dying of cancer. The Grateful Dead were asked to perform “Ripple” at their September 3, 1988 show in Landover, Maryland. Jerry Garcia & Co. honored the request by ending the evening with the tender ballad. “Ripple” hadn’t been played in any form in 459 shows and it had been 1,113 performances since the last electric version of the American Beauty stunner which took place at New York City’s Fillmore East. As you can imagine, the crowd went absolutely ape shit the moment the “Ripple” bust out begins.
That was also the night of the rehearsal dinner for my wedding weekend in Chicago. A number of my good Deadhead friends were in town celebrating with my wife and me and much later that night (remember, no cell phones or internet or on-line set lists. Had to wait for the 800 RUN DEAD line to be updated and then be able to get through. Somehow even by those standares word got around very fast and my buddies were not at all pleased since many of them would have undoubtedly been at that show (although, since it was a second encore a number of fans had already walked out of the Cap Center and then desperately tried to get back in.
No better way to end any show, including this one.
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Larry (00:27.899)
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Deadhead Cannabis Show. I'm Larry Mishkin of Mishkin Law in Chicago. Have a great show for you today. If this is your first time tuning in, this is a great day to be tuning in. And if you're a regular listener, you're going to be happy that you made it again today. We've got an amazing Grateful Dead show to talk about. We're joined by Jamie Humiston in a little while to talk about his experiences at Borderland out in New York. A week or two ago already now. And give us a rundown on what he saw out there.
uh... some big news in the world of marijuana not surprisingly a lot of government people get in the way again and causing everybody headaches uh... but before we do that uh... forty three years ago today uh... september twenty fifth nineteen eighty the grateful dead played in the war field theater uh... in san francisco uh... it was the first night of about a fifteen night run at the war field through the middle of october
They then moved on to Radio City Music Hall in New York, where they recorded more, the results of which were the Reckoning Acoustic Album and the Dead Set Electric Album. And we're focusing on acoustic today from this first acoustic set on September 25th. And let's go straight to the first tune.
Larry (02:59.955)
So let's paint the scene here. You get into Radio City Music Hall in New York on September 25th, 1980. Very, very small venue, relatively speaking, for Grateful Dead fans. So you're already loving how your night is going, and you know that it's gonna be an acoustic set and two electric sets. And this is exciting, because they haven't done an acoustic set since 1970, maybe early 1971. There was a stretch there.
uh... where they would do shows with an acoustic set followed by two electric sets and often accompanied by the new writers of the purple sage uh... these shows were went back to that format of an acoustic set and then two full electric sets and this was the first acoustic set of the first night of the first show of the whole damn run and they come out they open up with birdsong and birdsong is just an absolutely amazing song from Garcia's very first solo album Garcia released back on january twentieth nineteen
And this is the crazy thing about this show, and we'll get to more of these points in a moment. This was the first time that the Grateful Dead had played the song since September 15th, 1973, or 382 shows ago. That's a long time for a song that ultimately the Dead wound up playing over 300 times in concert, first back on February 19th, 1971 at the Capitol Theater in Port Chester, and then the final time was June 30th, 1995 at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh.
Hunter originally wrote the song, the lyrics is a tribute to Janis Joplin, which all of us Deadheads know it as, although when Phil sings it with Phil and friends he often says all I know is something like a bird within him saying, transferring the focus over to Jerry, which is fine, you know, Jerry's part of all of that too and I'm sure Janis wouldn't mind either, but it is important to note that this was a song that was written about Janis.
And during a period of time where the dead and Janice and all others had been spending a lot of time together. That was the great train trip across Canada when they were all on board there and had all spent lots of time together and all knew each other very well from the San Francisco psychedelic scene and hanging out in Haight-Ashbury and the various neighborhoods out there where they lived. And then she was gone and they wrote the song. She again was part of the...
Larry (05:24.475)
Twenty-seven club which we touched on this past week uh... we mentioned that briefly because uh... it's unfortunate that it's out there for some reason it's a number that always seems to come up but uh... the dead played the tune for a while uh... and then they put it to bed and then they brought it back why well because i think Garcia always viewed it more as an acoustic tune than an electric tune and now that they were going to be doing a whole set of acoustic shows
they pull out the song and as you're gonna see they did that with a lot of numbers it was like jeez if we had known this you could have done acoustic sets for us a long time ago so this version to me is amazing both because it is acoustic and Jerry's voice is so strong it makes you fall in love with the song all over again or as our good friend one-armed Larry would say tasted again for the first time although I don't think he was talking about this song or any song when he said that at Deer Creek back in 1989 um... but uh... with this version
All of a sudden, Birdsong is back in the repertoire and they would play it throughout the acoustic sets on these two incredibly long runs of shows. And then it would just make its way back into the regular sets. For those of us that didn't start singing until a year or two after this historic run, we always just knew it as an electric tune, typically a first set tune that the boys would really go to town on. And one of the first songs that I heard the dead play where I had what the fish heads call a true.
phase two or type two or whatever it is jam where when they circled back around at the very end, all I know is something like a bird within her saying, you're like, oh right, that's the song they were playing. But here, you know, it's acoustic, it's not like that, it's just great and really a beautiful tune and really nice. So continuing in this vein, this is the second song of the show and our next tune.
Larry (08:08.411)
I've been all around this world is another excellent, excellent.
acoustic tune, first again played by The Dead way back in 1969 on December 19th at the Fillmore West. Last played on December 31st, 1980 at the Oakland Civic Auditorium during the New Year's run, actually on New Year's Eve. But it was only played a total of 19 times in concert. And incredibly, this show again, the first acoustic show on the tour, was the first time the song had been played by The Dead in concert since February 14th, 1970.
a span of 706 shows. And Jerry brings it back and it just sounds as great as ever. The origins of this song are not easy to trace. It may derive, actually be a combination from a number of different songs. A Hang Me Oh Hang Me verse, which we didn't hear in this version, is thought to derive from the traditional song My Father Was a Gambler, which is thought to be about a murderer who was hanged in 1870. By the way, I played this verse because...
Lulu is the nickname that we have for our good friend Linda in St. Louis, who is a dear part of our family and has been there to provide such wonderful service for my mom and now my father and we really think the world of firsts. So anytime we can give a shout out to Lulu, we have to do it. The Dead's version of this song is traditional, is always cited as traditional arranged by the Grateful Dead and the guys from back in the day all get credit for it. So that's Jerry, Bobby, Phil, Mickey.
Billy and Pigpen. He was still the man there, so it was kind of like a group effort. And it was released, the only time it's actually formally been released by the Grateful Dead was on the history of the Grateful Dead Volume 1, which is known as Bear's Choice, a live album by the Grateful Dead. At the time it was their fourth live album, their ninth album overall. It was released in July 1973 on Warner Brothers Records.
Larry (10:05.039)
It offers concert highlights recorded on February 13th and 14th, 1970, at the Fillmore East in New York City, often known simply as Bear's Choice. The title references band sound man, Owsley Bear Stanley. It was originally intended to be the first volume of the series. Of course, everyone knows Owsley as the manufacturer of the original and best LSD that was always floating around on the West Coast in the 1960s and 1970s.
uh... allsley had many talents not only in the in the laboratory uh... but also uh... acting as one of the original sound uh... sound men for the uh... for the Grateful Dead and so uh... they kind of dedicated this one to him as you know bear's choice uh... and february thirteenth and fourteenth is a string of shows it was actually released by the Grateful Dead and I want to say original Dick's Pick series i want to say it was volume three or four i don't recall which but uh...
They have good chunks of both shows and it is a great show and it's a lot of fun to listen to. But, you know, this song hasn't been played in, they're coming out to play this, it hasn't been played in 10 and a half years. And Jerry just nails it, you know, he's a musician, this is what he does, it's not, you know, he's not just a guy running around playing a.
playlist that gets played over and over to the point where you kind of forget about what you're playing, he's actually really, it means something to him, not just because he wrote it, but because there's ways to play the song. If you're going to pull it back after 10 years, you damn well better give some effort. And he does. And it's wonderful to hear Jerry's voice at that point. Even by the time I started seeing him a couple of years later, there was already getting a few cracks in there and just not this really, really...
sweet voice almost and if you listen to reckoning or even just go online and pull down any of these shows there's a lot of tremendous harmonizing that goes on as well. We may have that in a few of our shows coming up and we will get back to those but now I want to take a little bit of a right turn here because we are nothing if not all about music on this podcast and although for us music very often means the Grateful Dead it often means a lot of other bands and
Larry (12:25.587)
Goose, Tranestasio Band, Moe, there's just all sorts of them that are out there. And whenever people all get together with talent to put on a festival of music, it's a wonderful thing, right? And it all kind of started with Woodstock way back in the day, although that's not probably fair to say Monterey Pop Festival was out there. And there had been a whole bunch of other ones, but Woodstock gets all the credit for really going hardcore, I think, with a rock and roll festival.
The festivals have kind of come and gone over the years. Deadheads always lamented that the Dead themselves never really did much of a festival. Now Dead and Company every year does their festival, they had been doing it. Going down to Mexico every year, like as a lot of bands do these days. They have their Mexico festivals during the winter months and a lot of fans of the music like to go down and do that. But you know, actual festivals right here, it's either in your backyard or you can get in a car and drive to or maybe some combination of both.
But Borderland Music and Arts Festival is one that celebrates the history and the Renaissance of the region which is East Aurora, New York, just outside of Buffalo, with a three day music and cultural festival set in one of the most scenic and storied grounds in all of New York State Knox Farm State Park. And I wanna welcome to the show, Jamie Humiston, who might have some relation to our producer, Dan Humiston, but we're never really sure about that. So Jamie, welcome, you were at Borderland.
Thanks for being on the show. Tell us a little bit about it.
jamie (13:56.342)
Thanks, Larry. Yeah, it's good to be here. Yeah. So last week I was up in Eastern New York at the Borderland Music Festival. We got a lot to talk about, man. There's there's where do I even start? So God. So this was my first time going to Borderland. And, you know, it's kind of surreal because that park, Knox Park, is one of my favorite parks in the whole world. I mean, it is maybe 10 minutes from where I.
So it's like, it's basically in my backyard. You know, it's very easy to get to. And just to kind of see that place, which is already beautiful and super scenic, transform into this national music festival, it was a real treat to be able to experience. Now, I don't know if it's always like this. You know, I know previously they've had the Flaming Lips and Portugal the Man as headliners.
this year, it felt very dead influence, you know, it like the whole festival kind of had a lot of I mean, there's so much grateful dad and jam band influence in it. So so I guess I'll just go through each of the days. Yeah, so Friday, I think was my favorite day of the festival. I'm a little bias.
Larry (15:12.484)
Yeah, please.
jamie (15:19.702)
The openers for the entire festival, the very first band is my friend's band, the Stovepipes. And yeah, they were the local, the guitarist and singer Riley, he grew up in the area. The band formed in Lake Tahoe and they have been playing the festival for two years. But they played several Grateful Dead songs. I know they played...
Larry (15:26.139)
Oh wow.
jamie (15:44.962)
They played Deal, they played Sugary, they played a couple other ones that are, I feel mistaken that I didn't do a lot of my homework on this, but they were awesome. So shout out to the Stovepipes. And then following them, I got to see the 502s, which are very kind of ska influenced, but they had a great set. They were so much fun to see. And then following them, I was checking out the Not Fade Away band.
Larry (15:54.8)
It's okay.
jamie (16:14.706)
which were doing a they were doing a dead zeppelin set. So they were playing. Yeah, they were doing the music of the Grateful Dead and Led Zeppelin and they would transition from tracks which I thought I thought was really cool. You know that you wouldn't think those two bands would work well together. But they made it really seamless. So it was really cool to see that. Yeah. And then the
Larry (16:14.768)
Oh.
Larry (16:20.111)
Oh, I saw that, yeah.
Larry (16:25.235)
Hehehehe
Larry (16:39.187)
Very nice.
jamie (16:43.618)
the band that played before Goose was Dawes. And I had known a couple of Dawes songs, but they were incredible. I mean, they had such a great set. I'm definitely a fan now of those guys. I'm gonna need to take an edit here because I forgot the guitarist from Goose's name. Thank you. Okay.
Larry (17:06.779)
Rick Mitteratando.
jamie (17:09.57)
quick little edit note. This is for me. But yeah, so but Rick from goose sat in with Dawes for one of their tracks, which was really, really cool to see. And then goose was the headliner for Friday. And I've heard you guys hype up goose. I've heard all my jam band friends hype up goose. So I had a lot of expectations going into goose, you know, I'm like, all right, let's see what these guys are about. And I got to tell you
Larry (17:09.819)
Okay. Sure. No problem.
Larry (17:38.123)
And, right.
jamie (17:38.942)
I'm sold. I'm I am fully on the goose bus. They were probably my favorite set I saw all week. I was absolutely blown away by all of them. You know, Rick, Peter, the keyboard player, all those dudes are just such solid musicians. And they just literally controlled the whole crowd. I mean, everybody was feeling goose that night.
Larry (18:04.987)
Yeah, I think they've really kind of come into their own over the last six months or so. When we saw them earlier this year at the Salt Shed in Chicago, I was really impressed with the way they were able to carry the entire show over two sets. And, you know, they just have that great jam ability like fish where it's even less structured than what the dead used to do. And these guys just kind of take it and push the limits of it, really, to the point where you're
You know, no idea what they were playing before, because whatever they're playing now sounds so great, and then all of a sudden they snap you back in. And they are, they're tremendous musicians, and look, Rick plays with everybody now. He's played with Trey a lot, he played with Dead and Company. He's in demand and well deserved. That band is really, is making it on the scene. So overall, your first Goose experience was a positive one too, huh?
jamie (18:59.15)
100% yeah they were they absolutely blew my mind you know they opened with flow down went into Mr. Action played a cover of pancakes by the great blue they played a father John misty track they had and one of the best the highlights for me during Rosewood heart they brought out Taylor and Griffin from Dawes to sit in with them which I think we actually have a clip of if you want to take a listen to that real quick
Larry (19:03.461)
Sure.
Larry (19:22.771)
Oh, fine.
Larry (19:28.499)
Sure, let's do that.
Larry (20:32.463)
Yeah, that's great stuff, man. You know, I hear that and I'm ready to just kick back for the night and listen to those guys jam out. That's wonderful stuff.
jamie (20:38.57)
Yeah, they were they were on fire during that, you know, just the energy there was just so it was incredible, you know, and like, I gotta say, like, I was super impressed with the Rick, but I was like blown away by their keyboard player Pete, I think Peter, he was he's phenomenal. I mean, he's just like, got like this crazy rack of keys and he is just going. I mean, all of them to like their bassist, their drummer. I mean, they're just like a well rounded.
Larry (21:06.375)
Peter, did he still have the porn mustache going?
jamie (21:10.45)
Yeah, he had the porn mustache.
Larry (21:12.371)
important stash look. Yeah, we love that. Yeah, he's, he's just having a ball. He, I love it when he's sitting there pounding on the keyboards with the guitar strapped around his back, then all of a sudden flips it around and plays the guitar and then he jumps from one keyboard to the other keyboard. He's got it down. He's really good.
jamie (21:22.336)
Yeah.
jamie (21:26.77)
Yeah, they're so solid. I was I was talking I noticed the whole time, you know, because I'm a sound nerd. I'm always like wondering like what people are doing. And I noticed he had a mirror on his keyboard thing. And I'm just like, why does he have that? Like, what is he doing? And I kind of was looking more I'm like, he's watching the drummer with that. Like, it's just like all the little technical things that you see sometimes. Yeah.
Larry (21:47.119)
Ah, clever. So that's how he knows what's going. Okay, and he's looking at it backwards, of course, so he has to be able to unscramble that too. Well, he's already smarter than I am. That's wild, that's great. That's really, and I'm sure that they just get a tremendous crowd reaction when they go out there. I mean, probably, you know, it'd be fair to say that certainly on that night, the majority of the people who were there, although they're all happy to see everybody else, you know, we wanna see Goose, we're going to see Goose and.
jamie (21:54.103)
Yeah.
jamie (21:58.242)
Yeah.
Larry (22:14.075)
will happily listen to anybody else who happens to be on the bill that night. Um, and you know, when you're a headliner and you, and you demand that kind of following, that's a good thing too. But I always liked these festivals because there's always going to be a group of people who didn't go to see goose. They went to see, you know, one of these other bands that you're talking about who anybody else who was there or, you know, like you say, they live in the area and they just thought, wow, there's going to be a, uh, a festival here. Let's go check it out. And so they come to goose with zero context at all.
Right? And all of a sudden, you know, Goose starts playing. And to me, that's the best sign. When people like that, all of a sudden get really hooked and are like, wow, I don't know who these guys were. I didn't know they were going to be here, but I can't get enough of them. And I think Goose has that kind of pulling power. Fish had it, the Grateful Dev had it. And, you know, it's harder and harder these days, I think, for, for musical acts to have it, because everything is so much about, you know, at least what I can tell as a, you know, old dude, as my kids will call me, but, you know, it's all, you know, electronic and, and a lot of it is, you know, much shorter songs, not unlike
When we were growing up in the standard, you know, rock song was three and a half minutes, maybe four, if it was extended play or whatever. And all of a sudden, you know, we're listening to the Grateful Dead and Phish, you know, who take the same song and stretch it out for 25 minutes. And, you know, some people like that and some people don't, but those of us that do are like, where has this been all of my life? And what I love is that, you know, guys like Goose are considerably younger than I am, you know, probably like close to 40 years. And yet, you know, they have the same,
appreciation for this kind of music and this whole style that I've had for all of this time and in fact predated them, but of course I have absolutely zero talent to express it other than flapping my mouth and talking about it. These guys can actually walk up on stage and pull out the instruments and recreate the sound and I love that and I say thank God because that's how Jamie people...
You're the same generation as my kids and they love goose and they love fish. And for them, they've really been captivated by this type of music. And not that they don't love the Grateful Dead, they do, but the Grateful Dead isn't doing concerts anymore and goose and fish are. And I think that's just, that's huge for people.
jamie (24:24.082)
100% you know, it very much so felt like, you know, the kind of next generation of great jam band music, you know, because those guys are like, around my age, you know, they're young guys. And just to kind of see them kind of take, you know, not just like doing what you know, bands like the grip, because everyone's like, oh, like Rick's the next tray, you know, they're the next fish, you know, I'm just like, I don't like those kind of comparisons, because I'm just like, this is just like the next evolution of like, where the music's going, you know, and it felt
Larry (24:35.3)
Yeah.
jamie (24:52.498)
It felt fresh and new and of course they're pooling influence from, you know, their heroes and people they'd look up to, but it just kind of felt like the natural, you know, evolution of like where the music's going. And just to kind of see them kind of carry the torch like that was really, really cool.
Larry (25:07.387)
Well, but see, I think you hit the nail on the head there because if Fish had come out and tried to recreate the Grateful Dead sound or cover a bunch of Grateful Dead, they might have been popular for a while, but then they would have been brushed aside for the next group or the group after that, but that wasn't their thing. They were there to participate in that genre, if you will, and that style of music, but to their credit, their own music.
Billy Joel, right, a few years back, made the mistake of calling them a cover band. And they went out and played 13 nights for the Baker's Dozen in Madison Square Garden without duplicating a song. You know, and when you have that kind of command of music and can do that kind of thing, you know, that's a great thing and people love that. And Goose has done the same thing. You know, they're not coming out and imitating the Grateful Dead or Fish. They're coming out and they're playing their music. And, you know, fans are, look at you. You know, you're sitting there.
jamie (25:47.49)
Ha ha!
Larry (26:05.651)
calling off names of all their songs. I've seen them a couple of times, I've listened to them. I'm not familiar enough with their songs yet to be able to call them by name, but you know, at some point down the road, I'll listen to them enough that I will. But it doesn't matter. The sound is the sound, you know, and it's also kind of nice to be at this stage when you haven't really fallen in love with any one or two particular songs, and so you start chasing those songs every concert, and then if they don't play them, you're like, damn, I missed that song, as opposed to, guys, just play whatever the hell you want. It's all gonna be great for me, and I'm gonna love every minute of it.
jamie (26:30.807)
Yeah.
jamie (26:35.584)
Yeah.
Larry (26:35.771)
Um, what were the crowds like that night in particular? I would say, was it, was it ridiculously crowded? Did you guys have room to breathe? You know, could people dance if they wanted to.
jamie (26:44.87)
Oh, yeah. So it's so I think Friday and Saturday, they said we're sold out. But it really it felt it didn't feel like that, you know, like there was plenty of room to breathe, you know, my crew that I was with, we kind of had like, kind of a home base camp that we set up by the stage. And we were close, like we could you could see the stage like very, very clearly, like right kind of around like where the VIP section was, you know, just kind of outside of it.
Larry (27:09.595)
How early did you have to get in to stake out that spot?
jamie (27:12.434)
Not early at all, honestly. You know, because I think people had kind of been there throughout the day, but you know, I saw people that were rolling up later and just getting close to the stage. You know, there wasn't really like that, we've been camping out here for six hours and you can't even stand close. It was like, it was very open, it was very chill. And it was a nice mix where you had, you definitely had like your diehard jam band people that were there, you know, to see Goose, you know, to see Trey the next day.
Larry (27:18.841)
I gotcha.
jamie (27:41.174)
But there's a lot of people that were just, you know, people that live in East Aurora, people that live in Buffalo, people that just like participating in live music and festivals and stuff like that. And so it was a nice little blend of those. And it was great seeing people that, you know, half my friends are like die hard Fish and Tray fans, and the rest are kind of, you know, people like me that maybe know some of them, some tracks from them, have heard of them, but never really gotten to experience it. And just to kind of see everybody like...
fully entranced by what they were doing was really, really cool.
Larry (28:15.407)
Yeah, I think my kids discovered that the first time they went to Dead and Fish shows is the music itself is great, but when you see, you can see the level of devotion of the fans and it either makes you curious to find out more about it or it kind of freaks you out. I think everybody approaches it a little bit differently and the people who have that curiosity and that's what Garcia used to call the deadheads, the curiosity seekers who believe there's something more to it all than the regular rap, which is a great quote.
use it whenever I can because that's really true. I've got dear friends, very close friends who have basically zero interest in The Grateful Dead. I mean, if we're all listening to it or whatever, that's fine, but they have no desire or no interest in going out to see them or Fish or any of these bands. I came to kind of a tacit agreement with all of them a long time ago, which is I wish you were into this as much as I was. I respect that you're not.
And I just hope that whatever you're doing to fill the time, instead of being at these shows is as fulfilling to you, that getting to hear all this tremendous live music is to me. But hey, like anything else in life, my kid doesn't want to eat the pizza good. There's more for the rest of us, right? There's an extra ticket, that means. It's easier to get in. It's easier to get a better seat. That's okay. When we first started seeing that, when I first started seeing that dad, they were still
not selling out everywhere. They'd play arenas and the place might only be two thirds sold out and half the floor would be completely empty. And there was a part of me that really liked it and a part of me that said, I can't believe that there's not more people coming to see the dead. And then before you know it, touch of gray comes along and all of a sudden it turned into a zoo. And you were like, God, how much better was it back in the day when people didn't really follow them that closely and so they weren't there to all come flocking out to see them or anything. And I don't know, that's just.
you know, for me the way it always worked out. But this is great that you know, you have a chance to go see them and check it out. And now in prior years, were you aware of the existence of Borderland and were you living in New York at the time of any of the other festivals or did you already move?
jamie (30:22.646)
So I'd already moved for some of the other ones, which I was upset about because I love the flaming lips and they were one of the headliners previously and I didn't get to go to that set. But I've been hearing about Borderland for years. I think I've been going on for like three, maybe four years. I'm probably wrong on that, but I know previously tons of my friends would go to it and I'd see all their photos and I'd see highlights from it and I would always kind of.
you know, because I live in Los Angeles, so I'm around live music all the time, but it's something really like special about that park, too. And that festival there, you know, it's like a more fun high school reunion, kind of for me. You just run into people that you've known forever. And it's just kind of has that, you know, community feel. Plus, just being so close to where I lived growing up, just being like such a beautiful park in general, it was like, you know, I kind of always wanted to go to it. So I'm glad that this was a.
kind of my introduction to it. Some other highlights from Friday was I met a friend of the show Jay Blakesburg. Briefly. Yeah, he Yeah, he was around doing photos of all the bands. Yeah, yeah, he took he took photos of my friend's band the stovepipes. He took some photos of some of my hippie friends, you know, he's doing portraits. It's cool. I was looking at some of the photos and
Larry (31:25.271)
Yeah. Oh nice, Jay.
Larry (31:33.231)
He always is. That's awesome. Love that.
Larry (31:43.067)
Ha ha ha.
She is a hippie.
jamie (31:48.658)
Yeah, but I was looking at like some photos from it and like there's photos of like Trey band practicing in one of like the Knox barns and it's just it was so surreal to see these bands at this venue that I just grew up like taking my dog to like walk around there and you know just hanging out with my friends.
Larry (32:06.471)
So you must have known like all the ways to sneak in then, right? All the back roads and paths that, you know, I mean, that's your, when you, when it's the place where you grew up, you know, my backyard, you know, there wasn't a lot of trees separating us from the neighbors, but we knew every single one of them, man.
jamie (32:09.918)
Ah, ah, ah.
jamie (32:22.554)
So if the people from Borderland are listening to this, I'm sorry that this happened. So day one, my friend's band is playing the stovepipes and I shouldn't, I'm not gonna tell this story. I might cut this later. I'll tell you later. Basically, my friend's band's playing at the stage and I...
Larry (32:35.243)
Okay, yeah, I don't want you to. It's okay. We don't have, we don't want to get, we don't want to get you or your dad in trouble because anything you learned, you probably learned for him and you know.
jamie (32:50.166)
wanted to make sure I didn't miss his set. So I just walked in. I just like, just made walk through and I'm watching the set. I'm looking around and like, wow, everyone has wrist bands. And I'm like, Oh, wait, I was supposed to get one of those. But I was like, yeah, if I would have just not had a ticket, I probably would have been okay. So but I'm gonna cut this out of the edit. Just this is for us.
Larry (32:54.504)
Sure.
Larry (33:04.975)
Yep, that'll do it if you're not paying attention.
Larry (33:17.211)
Oh, that's okay. We love good stories on this show. You know, all of our listeners are sworn to secrecy. So, uh, it, it works out as a good thing. Um, hey, do you have any other clips for us to listen to?
jamie (33:19.962)
haha
jamie (33:23.223)
Yeah.
jamie (33:28.842)
Yeah, okay, so Saturday. So Saturday, so Trey was the headliner for that. And same thing, very new to Fish and Trey. There was a bunch of other bands that played that day, like the Mighty Popular, Neil Francis, Sammy Ray and the Friends. But the big act that night was Classic Tab.
Larry (33:31.12)
Yes.
jamie (33:55.926)
And that was my first experience ever seeing anything with fish or seeing Trey. And I got to tell you, it was, we were so close to the stage. I almost was getting imposter syndrome because I was like, this is one of the most intimate Trey shows you could possibly imagine. I mean, it's this gorgeous venue. We're super close to the stage and it was sold out too. And it didn't feel like super congested and tight.
Larry (34:16.531)
Very cool.
jamie (34:24.438)
We have a clip from that show. I think, so they played a very, very fish heavy set. So they opened with sand and then went right into back on the train. And we have a clip from them playing back on the tray.
Larry (34:36.979)
Sure.
Excellent, love it.
Larry (35:44.883)
It's a great tune. I saw him play it with Phil Lesh and friends in Las Vegas back in 2006 at Vegas with the gang. Yeah, some of those tunes are really, really nice. And I was getting into a lot of those tunes before I even got into Fish myself, but Tab is great. Did he have his wonderful horn section with Jennifer and Natalie?
jamie (35:50.144)
Oh nice.
jamie (36:03.634)
I need to do some homework and check out, but I don't think they had the full horn section that day from at least from. Yeah, no, it's classic. Yeah, they. Let me just take a quick edit now. Sorry, I keep having to like look stuff up about the about the lineup, but we pull it up real quick. But yeah, I don't think they had the horn section that day. From what I remember, it was just The bassist keyboard guitar drum section.
Larry (36:08.799)
Okay, well, classic tab, they call it. Okay, from back in the day.
Larry (36:18.491)
Okay.
jamie (36:33.142)
So no horn section that day. If there was, please don't be mad at me fish heads. I feel like I would have, yeah, I would have been able to check that out. But yeah, it was sick, man. It was such a good set. Their bassist, their bassist, Dresden Douglas,
Larry (36:35.399)
Okay, fine.
No, if there was, you would have heard it and it would have been very obvious. It's not something you miss. Yeah.
Cool. Okay, no problems.
jamie (37:02.902)
phenomenal, Ray their keyboard player was awesome, super success.
Larry (37:05.564)
Yeah, let's.
Larry (37:09.987)
like Jerry, when he goes out to play, he surrounds himself with talented guys. Not necessarily people all of us would know, although folks like Rob and my good buddy Alex would know them, but the rest of us might not know, but they find great talent to put around them and we always get great shows and it's just how you fall in love with other musicians along the way. You're there to see Goose and all of a sudden, you're learning about Dawes and you're constantly have a situation like this and it's...
It's nice, I think, you know, it kind of is passing of the torch almost and you know bringing the new faces in with the old faces and that's great fun, you know that those the festivals are wonderful and they're perfectly situated for that kind of overlap playing where people come out and play with one another and You know put together special music that you don't otherwise normally get to hear them do
jamie (37:58.382)
Right, 100%. Yeah, it was I mean, I was able to be exposed to a lot of great bands being at the festival. So, you know, on like Sunday, for instance, I didn't get to see a ton of people. You know, it's just Sunday was kind of my slow day. But I did get to see the a little bit of the infamous string duster set who went on. Oh, they were so much fun. Oh, my Oh, my god, I was kicking myself that I didn't stay for that whole set because
Larry (38:17.304)
Oh, they're fun.
jamie (38:26.938)
you know, I'm definitely trying to catch more of them now because they their lives show was incredible. And then Mo was the closer closed out the whole festival on Sunday. And they actually, they were one of the first jam bands I ever saw. I actually, I saw them at I think like the outer harbor when I was like 12 or something, because they used to their
from they're from Buffalo. So they would play a lot of a lot of free shows around the area. So you kind of had like a lot more of the kind of like the more like Buffalo crowd there for that. But yeah, they're good little like hometown heroes were from us. I'd be remissed if I didn't talk about for the since we are the Deadhead Cannabis show. So I'm getting
Larry (38:49.456)
Right.
Larry (39:04.839)
That's wonderful.
Larry (39:09.614)
Yeah.
jamie (39:11.37)
I'm getting food at one of the vendors and them checking out they're like, Oh, you want any condiments and I put I'm one of those people I put hot sauce on everything. And you know, I asked for some hot sauce and like, okay, so we got two types of hot sauces, we got this, we got normal Franks. And we have this cannabis infused hot sauce. And that just actually broke my brain. I'm like, wait, that's that exists. And I'm like, it's gotta be like CBD or something. And they're like, No, there's 37 milligrams of THC per tablespoon. I'm just like,
Larry (39:19.611)
Hehehehe
jamie (39:41.91)
I don't know where do you get this and I'm like they were selling it at the festival and I got a little Brought a little bottle of it. Yes. These are like yeah, these are like a lot of THC in this but this is um Yeah, woo woozy sauce from Finger Lakes premium up in Rochester So shout out to those guys for making a making cannabis infused hot sauce I didn't I didn't know that was the thing but those are two of my favorite things
Larry (39:46.855)
That's a lot.
Larry (39:53.717)
Yeah, per tablespoon, wow.
Larry (40:01.602)
Okay.
Larry (40:10.519)
Well, too bad. If I had known, I would have had you pick one up for me. That's amazing. Go out and put them on the chicken wings tonight. It's a good way to spend the weekend.
jamie (40:16.241)
Yeah, no. Yeah, especially being in like Buffalo, you know, where it's so chicken wing heavy and stuff. Having cannabis hot sauce or cannabis wings. I mean, that's like taking a good thing and making it better.
Larry (40:31.747)
It is. Wow. Well, it sounds like you had a great time. And, you know, once again, not that anybody ever needs any reason to go see a, to go participate in a festival, but when you hear stories like this, it's kind of hard to justify not going and checking them out from time to time. And really appreciate Jamie, you taking the time to hop on the show today and to clue us in on that and play some of the, some of the, some of the better clips from the weekend. I'm sure it all sounds great. And most of it's probably already posted on YouTube or.
jamie (40:33.643)
Yeah!
Larry (40:59.983)
somewhere wherever kids post their music clips these days, I just call mine and ask them to send it to me.
jamie (41:05.77)
Yeah, there's a bunch of, I think most of the Goose set is online and I know Trey was streaming the set, so I'm sure you can find it somewhere.
Larry (41:15.043)
Okay, we will look for it and we'll have to keep you on the show here a little bit. You know, as more festivals come up that you have a chance to go to, you're the right age and you know, you can get your dad to pay for them and write it all off as part of the business and everybody can have a good time. But thank you to Jamie Humiston and really appreciate that. And yeah, folks, go check out the music from Borderland because it all sounds really, really great. Speaking of music that sounds great, we've got some just fantastic.
jamie (41:23.086)
Ha ha ha!
jamie (41:31.234)
There you go.
Larry (41:45.295)
rock and roll news to share with you here and I'll have to confess that part of this is just me being a little bit out of the loop and I'm sure that guys like Rob and my good buddy Alex knew about all of this but just recently Tuesday of last week Neil Young returned to his old stomping grounds the Roxy in West Hollywood California to celebrate that venue's 50th anniversary.
Larry (42:15.179)
Young and the Santa Monica Flyers served as the opening band during the club's start, and the original sets were turned into Roxy Tonight's the Night. And due to this shared history, Young and company returned to the location last Tuesday, delivering a complete run-through of two famed studio LPs, Tonight's the Night, and everybody knows this is nowhere. So right there, if you're a Neil Young fan, this is just great, although they didn't quite announce necessarily what they were going to play.
But supposedly with an audience packed with VIPs from the record industry and folks like that, there must have been a pretty good hint. The Roxy's not big enough that the rest of us rock and rollers really had much of a chance to get to see it live, but we get to hear about it and I'm sure they'll all put it out on a very, very inexpensive album just in time for Christmas. But the lineup of musicians that played included young Mike and Nelson, Nils Lofgren, and the
who was only able to be there because he was supposed to be on tour with the East Street Band but Bruce has his peptic ulcer in full flare-up and had to cancel the rest of his tour which made it available for Nils to pop in over here and he was instrumental on these albums and it was great to have him around, Billy Talbot, Ralph Molina also played. So the night began with the title track off Tonight's the Night. It continued to present material in the same order.
It came out on the initial record, leading into Speaking Out and World on a String, followed by Borrowed Tune and Come On Baby, Let's Go Downtown. Naturally, Mellow My Mind unfolded before Roll Another Number for the Road and Albuquerque. The group of rockers landed on New Mama and then Tired Eyes, ultimately returning to Tonight's the Night to close out the first part of the show. After working through all the songs on the 1975 album, Young and the Band went back in time picking, excuse me, Young and the Band went back in time.
picking 1969s, everybody knows this is nowhere as their follow-up. Well, just as the material appeared on the original song list, Cinnamon Girl kicked off the set, one of my all-time favorites, followed by the title track and a special moment with the arrival of Round and Round Won't Be Long, which represented a debut for this unit of players. A jammed out eight minute rendition of Down by the River, and as long as we're talking about all these people, Trey has joined him for an amazing Down by the River.
Larry (44:41.531)
that you can find on YouTube and you need to check that out. It's just an incredible piece of rock and roll. It came before the losing end and then running dry, Requiem for the Rockets for the night's final song. The band ran through fan favorite Cowgirl in the Sand. Always one that your girlfriend liked to hear and always one to be smart to have on your car when you're going out with your girlfriend. So, you know, the magnitude of this cannot be lost. It would be like, you know,
Well, he's not alive, so we can't even say Garcia, but Bobby and Phil going to a very, very small theater, a very, very small venue, and sitting down and playing American Beauty and Working Man's Dead, or maybe even the original Grateful Dead album, or Live Dead, or something like that. So a live album, a regular album, just absolutely incredible to think about. These are legendary Neil Young albums. Neil Young and Crazy Horse are...
uh... legendary musicians you know these are just you know guys who are popular during their time these are guys who remain popular many years later uh... like many of these bands that started in the late sixties early seventies and by the eighties everybody thought of them as old what did we know they were just beginning their careers they still had another forty years to go in how great is it that they can all be back forty years later uh... almost all of the same players
to recreate this music. Now unfortunately it doesn't appear that they're going to take this act on the road, so the rest of us may not ever have a chance to truly enjoy it the same way, but I'm willing to bet they've got audio and video recordings of this, so one way or another we'll have a chance to see it and that would really be awesome and I would look forward to that. So it just goes man, if you've got a chance to see any of these guys you got to go see them because you just don't know what they're going to do.
Well, if it's the end of September, that means two things. One, college football is in high gear and hopefully you're a fan of the Michigan Wolverines and enjoying their season so far as much as I am. If you're not, screw you, but that's okay as long as you're not an Ohio State fan. What it also means is everybody's making New Year's Eve plans, right? Because the bands have to know where they're going to be so they can get it all set up. The fans need to know so that they can get out there. And there's all sorts of bands playing on New Year's Eve. But on this show...
Larry (47:04.019)
There's a couple of bands that we care about more than others. And so Bobby Warren, both brothers have announced a three night New Year's Eve stand in Fort Lauderdale. They're gonna bring in the New Year there at the Broward Center for the Performing Arts in Fort Lauderdale. They unveiled that the theme of the impending show is based on the year of the dragon, which may be the next Chinese year, the Chinese New Year, I have no idea, but the dad always did a famous Chinese New Year show every year, so that would not be out of the realm of possibilities for Bobby.
These newly tacked on holiday dates will arrive after a series of fall stops, including shows actually they just played this past Friday at Pine Knot Music Theater as part of Willie Nelson's Outlaw Country Tour. And this past Saturday, they were playing in the 2023 edition of Farm Aid. In continuation of this fall jaunt, We're and Company are expected to turn up in Philly and Baltimore. At the end of the month, the group's loan October tour date
arrives on October 29th when they return to the historic Frost Amphitheater where the Stanford Symphony Orchestra will join them during their set. And Frost Amphitheater remains one of these amazing classic venues that I've never set foot inside and I always hope that maybe someday I will have a chance to be able to do that. If you are interested in seeing Bob Weir and Wolf Brothers for New Year's Eve, be aware that tickets go on sale this coming Thursday.
That would be September 28th beginning at 10 a.m. Eastern time Otherwise, I'm sure that nugs net or somebody will have it so that you can stream it live But it's never really quite the same is it and then of course what we all knew is inevitable to happen Even though it didn't happen last year the year before I can't keep track anymore folks I'm getting too old fish is coming back to Madison Square Garden for another four-night run You know, they're calling it a fish extravaganza Thursday December 28th through Sunday
uh... december thirty first uh... so after right they did play last year met after last year excellent medicine square garden new year celebration uh... which culminated in gag celebrating their forty years together the bar is as high as ever uh... though they're consistent tight performances over the exuding summer tour leaves little room for concern it's also worth noting that fans have been buzzing about the band's possible use of the sphere in las vegas for the new year's performance and now those rumors are restfully put to bed uh... once again to secure coveted seats for these highly anticipated shows
Larry (49:30.415)
you can participate in the ticket request period, which is currently open, and the ticket request period ends today. So if you want those New Year's shows tickets, man, you better get in there and do it. Otherwise, this coming Friday, general public ticket sales are set to commence. They also, as always, have travel packages, hotel accommodations, blah, so that the upper crust of the fish fans can all go while the rest of us eat pizza on the street.
we're having a better time than they are because we're there for the love of the music, not just to be seen or something like that. So amazing lineup of music, great music news out there, always wonderful to see, but we don't have to talk about music when we have this amazing music to listen to. So let's head back now to the Warfield Theater from September 25th, 1980 as the Dead break out a tune, live in concert for the very first time.
Larry (51:51.623)
So this is a beautiful song that most of us heard for the first time when we listened to Reckoning. Again, the collection of highlights of the acoustic sets during these two runs in the fall of 1980. It's just a beautiful, beautiful tune. And the story behind it is even more amazing. Writing credit for this song goes to Elizabeth Libba Cotton. Was born on January 5th, 1893, and lived all the way to June 29th, 19...
a wonderfully long life. She was an American folk and blues musician. She was a self-taught left-handed guitarist who played a guitar strung for a right-handed player, but played it upside down. The position meant that she would play the bass lines with her fingers and the melody with her thumb. Her signature alternating bass style has become known as cotton picking. NPR stated her influence has reverberated through the generations permeating every genre of music.
Her album, Folk Songs and Instrumentals with Guitar, from 1958, was placed into the National Recording Registry by the Library of Congress and was deemed as culturally historical or anesthetically significant. The album included her signature recording, Freight Train, a song she wrote in her early teens and then eventually wrote this song. She's recognized as a National Heritage Fellow by the National Endowment of the Arts.
and she was posthumously inducted into the National Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as an early influence. Focusing on it a little bit more, here's what we get from David Dodd, an avid Grateful Dead concert goer for a long, long time. He's a librarian, brings the work of a detective's love to following clues as far as it will take him, and more notably is known as the author of the annotated Grateful Dead lyrics, which is a tremendous book for anyone who really...
wants to get into what's going on with the Grateful Dead and this is a good way to do it. So according to David Dodd, the song debuted in the Dads repertoire during this show, September 25th, 1980, and it was played 10 more times over the course of the acoustic shows at the Warfield and Radio City Music Hall in New York. After that, it made three more appearances in one-off acoustic sets, one at the Mill Valley Recreational Center, another in the Netherlands,
Larry (54:15.875)
And finally, when they played for the Marin Vets on March 28th, 1984, in a performance that actually kicked off the second set with Bob Weir and Brent Midland missing from being on stage. However, Dodd points out the song had been around for much longer than that. It appears on the studio outtakes from Garcia's Reflections album as released in the All Good Things box set and personal interviews with Garcia's Circle of Acquaintances and Palo Alto in the early 1960s make it explicitly clear.
that he was familiar with the work of Libba Cotton. So I expect Garcia had performed this song many times during his folky period, and if may have even been in the jug band repertoire, the Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions. So I love the history of this music, and I love the fact that a guy like Garcia, who many people just like to think as a rocker was such a student of music and such a master of this. And these are just such wonderful influences
people who don't get enough credit and enough due for what they what they brought to the Grateful Dead not to the Grateful Dead but to the music world that the Grateful Dead ultimately picked up on that so many bands picked up on and were influenced by folks like this, but it's just really amazing and A great thing to see so this you know again you're at this show You're seeing songs for the first time in 10 years and in eight years You know now you're seeing a song broke out for the first time ever
And interestingly, because of the popularity of the Reckoning album, a song that would quickly become identified with the Grateful Dead, again, even though they just never really played it all of that much. So that's great stuff too. Before we close out on the music, we do have a little bit of news over on the marijuana side of things, Dan.
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Everybody knows that one. Been around for a while. One toke over the line. Sweet Jesus, how many times have we all said that? Maybe not, I don't know.
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I'd like to tell you that things get better and better in the world of marijuana news. I'm beginning to think we're going to have to break marijuana news up into different sections and one part of it will just be real marijuana news and we can all just go into that knowing that we're going to get angry and want to bang our heads against the wall and stomp around for a few minutes at the unjustness and unfairness of it and why people who, well, my wife told me I have to be nice, you know, who are...
who are challenged in their ability to think outside of a very narrow box uh... try to claim such an oversized say uh... in how the rest of us live in last week we talked about it uh... a group of fourteen republican senators who are not happy with the idea that marijuana was going to be rescheduled from schedule one to schedule three uh... for any good reason other than just they thought that
All of the rest of the news and information about marijuana that's accepted by pretty much everyone in the medical community now, and many, many scientists, and what Rafael Mishulam, of course, knew 50 or 60 years ago, these senators from last week, and of course, it's the cottons of the world and guys like that who like to go around thumping their chest about how they're the only ones who can save America. And the same day, we're reading stories about...
how effective it is for so many different things. This time, it's Senator Cynthia Loomis, a Republican from Wyoming, and Steve Daines, a Republican from Montana, who are sponsoring the Deferring Executive Authority Act, the DEA Act, that's cute, which they briefly previewed this week in statements. So basically what this does is it's new legislation to prevent federal agencies from rescheduling cannabis without tacit approval.
from Congress. So, in fact, this new bill would make it so any administrative proposal to transfer marijuana between schedules of the Controlled Substances Act, as the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services recently recommended to the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, as part of a review directed by President Joe Biden, must first be submitted to Congress for review. If lawmakers oppose it, they would then have 60 session days to pass a joint resolution to block its enactment.
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Well, let's just, oh, and then here's what Lewis goes on to say. Congress makes the laws in this country, not DC bureaucrats. And by God, she is exactly right, except this is not law. This is policy. And policy is shaped by those agencies that are under the control of the executive branch. So when the chief executive, the president of the United States says, let's take a look into doing this, and those agencies do, at that point in time, it's not Congress's right to step in and start saying, oh, we like this or we like that.
You can challenge agencies and yes, agencies have to go and get funding from Congress and all of that kind of stuff. But this is Loomis sticking her big fat nose in where it doesn't belong. And you don't think this has anything to do with the fact that it was Democratic President Joe Biden, who they all think is corrupt and too old to be there, even though it's the other guy who's been indicted 90 times and is only three years younger than Biden. It seems to have a lot harder time speaking complete sentences. But we won't digress on that right now. We're going to focus on this with Loomis and Danes.
So, what does Loomis go on to say? The American people, through their elected representatives in the Senate and the House, should have the final say on such a momentous change as the legalization of marijuana. Well, that's an interesting way to frame it, as polling has consistently shown that, unlike the bill sponsors, a strong and increasingly bipartisan majority of Americans support legalizing cannabis. But here's the give. What does Loomis say to that? In a separate interview.
Loomis said that she personally doesn't want to see her state of Wyoming move to legalize in part because she thinks it just doesn't smell good and it stinks. Folks, this is an elected, an elected senator to the United States Senate telling us that she wants her policy on this to be based on the fact that she thinks it stinks and doesn't smell good. My Lord, what have we sunk to as a country?
People in her state smoke marijuana like it's going out of style. I know people in Wyoming. I've been to Wyoming. And Senator, you don't know the people from Wyoming if you think that they are afraid that marijuana smells bad and stinks. I mean, come on. This is such paternalism coming across as we know better than you, it's not safe. So here's what Loomis goes on to say. The Biden's administration rushed to reschedule marijuana without compelling scientific evidence, appears to be political.
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and not what's best for the American people, which was the same thing that these folks, the 14 GOP House and Senate colleagues said last week. Well, wait a second. What the hell is she talking about? Does she not read all of these studies and new studies and new studies that we all find? I'm no genius. I do not have a paid congressional staff working for me. It's just me. And Dan helps too. And I read the articles and I see what's going on. And every organization out there that's doing a study says,
Marijuana is good. Marijuana is positive. Marijuana lowers health insurance premiums. Marijuana lowers medical costs. Marijuana lowers dependency on opioids and alcohol and cigarettes. Marijuana increases blood flow. Marijuana is good for cognitive skill. Marijuana is good for so many things. And she's gonna sit here and say, without compelling scientific evidence, who are you, lady? Who gave you the right to come out here and lie about this stuff that the rest of us wanna use?
You want to talk political? We've talked political. Our president, the president we've elected to be the president of the United States, has made a decision that as the head of the executive branch, which oversees the administrative agencies, this is what they're going to do. Get the hell out of that lane and go back to doing what you're doing, which is probably sleeping on the floor during speeches. Because if you weren't, maybe you'd know a little bit more about this. And then Danes, of course, chimes in to say, well, I disagree with marijuana being legalized in Montana.
The people spoke at the ballot box, and I respect that decision. However, I'm firmly opposed to legalization or descheduling at the federal level without congressional input. What? Excuse me? You just got done saying you're in favor of it because the people who you represent vote in support, but that doesn't translate to support on the federal level? The people in your state just told you what they want. What are you gonna do? Say, well, I know you approved it on the state level, fine citizens of Montana, but you also want it on the federal level? Well, yeah.
right? Why not? It's better for the dispensaries, it's better for the consumers, it's better for everybody. I mean, really, the way that they twist themselves up into knots, the Republicans, what the hell is going on here? What are they thinking about? I don't know. But let's move on because we don't have a lot of time, but this is one that Dan sent around, and I just think that it merits mentioning really fast because the headline is very misleading. In a historic move, Congressional Committee removes cannabis use as barrier to Fed jobs.
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Schumer advances banking reform. Oh my God, you see this, you say, this is awesome. Now, if I want to get a federal job, I no longer have to worry about the federal government poking their nose around to see if I smoke marijuana. Oh, but a closer read of it reveals what's really going on here. The legislation would prevent prior marijuana use from becoming grounds for being found.
unsuitable for federal jobs. Right now, the law basically is if you've ever used marijuana, you're not suitable for any kind of a federal job because you're a security risk for reasons that nobody in their right mind can explain to you. But that's just the way it is. As dozens and dozens of members of Congress and wherever get taken down all the time for improper money laundering or schemes or whatever it might be, we're going around worried about the people who smoke marijuana, right? So now what they're saying is if you've smoked marijuana, you're not going to be able to
Previously, now we'll let you come in and work for us. Why, how thoughtful, folks. That's just wonderful. We've seen the light, we've turned the corner, we've come to live the life you want us to live in, now you tell us it's okay. That's not the way it works. So, when this bill, which would originally have basically removed even current use as a risk, House members adopted an amendment from Committee Chair James Comert, Republican
and supported by Nancy Mace, Republican South Carolina. Nancy Mace, of course, you may recall, is the one who's screaming about all this evidence that exists to impeach President Biden. And when people ask her to recite the evidence, she screams, if you're too stupid to see the evidence. And it always reminds me of the book, The Emperor and His New Clothes, because my son, right when I read it for him and he was three years old, couldn't understand how intellectual grown people looking at a naked man couldn't tell that he was naked and pretended that he was wearing clothes just because he said so.
but Nancy Mace plays the same games, and so she's doing it right here. They successfully proposed that employment protections would be reserved only for those who once consumed marijuana, while those who are consuming at the moment should not be eligible for either federal employment or security clearance. Why? Who knows? They don't say Normal had a pushback on that, though. Normal says, while it's disappointing that the committee did not see fit to stop federal agencies from discriminating,
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against those responsible adults and patients who are current consumers of cannabis, their legislation will nonetheless open up new opportunities to millions of Americans, increase the talent pool available to federal employers, and ultimately make our country safer. Yep, but it's still fucked up because they're still playing doorkeepers. So right, get this straight. If you're a raging alcoholic who goes out to bars and hits on women who turn out to
Larry (01:06:27.867)
No problem, man, we will take you on and we'll tell you every government secret that there is. But if you like to go home at night and smoke a joint or do a few bong hits, or maybe even do one in the morning, all of a sudden, it's too great of a risk and we can't have anything to do with you. Guys, again, come on, man. It doesn't always have to be Republicans and yet somehow it seems like it always is. Pull your heads out of your ass on this one, guys. Just stop fighting this losing battle, please. Stop with this whole paternalistic we know what's best.
We know it's good because the truth is you don't and we're all sick and tired of it. So that's enough marijuana news today. One of these weeks we're gonna have some marijuana news that's, you know, smiley and feel good and that everybody's happy to listen to and not these putzes going around, you know, whatever, doing what they do. But here's something that is gonna make you feel good because we're running out of time and we're swinging back hard to the end of this music and what we're gonna play you here is the last song of the acoustic set.
It's an amazing tune. It's Ripple, it's everybody's favorite Grateful Dead song of all time. It's one of the three magical tunes that Robert Hunter wrote on the same afternoon in London in 1970, along with Broke Down Palace and To Lay Me Down. We talked about that a little bit last week. Between 70 and 71, The Dead played this tune, Ripple, a number of times, both electric and acoustic, before putting the songs in mothballs until 1980, when, as you'll see, they pulled it out here. So The Dead performed.
ripple a whopping 27 times acoustically in 1980 and then once again unplugged in 1981. Otherwise, it disappeared from the repertoire for the final 14 years of the band's career with one notable exception. We've talked about it. September 3rd, 1983, the dead busted out an electric ripple for the first time in 17 years in the Cap Center in Washington, D.C. for what would be the final performance of the tune, as the story goes, which is still unconfirmed. The band was approached by the Make-A-Wish Foundation with a request from a young fan.
Dying of Cancer, the Dead were asked to perform Ripple at their September 3rd, 1988 show. Inland over Maryland, Jerry Garcia and Company honored the request by ending the evening with a tender ballad as a second encore. Ripple hadn't been played in any form in 459 shows and it had been 1,113 performances since the last electric version of the American Beauty Stunner which took place at New York City's Fillmore East. As you can imagine, the crowd goes absolutely apeshit at the moment.
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the ripple bursts out and begins. It was also the night, the story I've told, but I'll tell it again anyway. My rehearsal dinner for my wedding weekend in Chicago and all my good deadhead buddies were there celebrating with my wife and me. And much later that night after it was finally posted onto the 1-800-RUN-DEAD call in line, and we heard that there had been a second encore and they had played ripple. I got a lot of grief from my friends over the next couple of days. It was still great to have them there, even though most of them probably would have been at the CAP Center and could have seen that show.
On the other hand, it was the second encore and there's all sorts of stories of people who walked out early and missed it and that's just why you always stay on the bus until it comes to a complete stop and the light goes on to take off your seatbelt and to stand up and walk out. No better way to end any show, including this one. So thank you again to Jamie Humiston for joining us today and giving us some insight on Borderland. Thank you everyone for listening. Great shows abound in the future, great concerts coming up, big things happening in the world of marijuana.
In the meantime, enjoy your week. Stay safe and enjoy your cannabis responsibly. Thank you.