"From Chicago to Egypt: Collecting Dead Memorabilia and Memories with Jay Blakesburg" Larry Mishkin features a nostalgic recounting of a Grateful Dead concert from March 11th, 1993, at the Rosemont Horizon in Rosemont, Illinois. The discussion covers various aspects of the event, including the venue's challenges, the band's performance, and reflections on specific songs played during the show.
"From Chicago to Egypt: Collecting Dead Memorabilia and Memories with Jay Blakesburg"
Larry Mishkin features a nostalgic recounting of a Grateful Dead concert from March 11th, 1993, at the Rosemont Horizon in Rosemont, Illinois. The discussion covers various aspects of the event, including the venue's challenges, the band's performance, and reflections on specific songs played during the show.
Larry also touches on recent music events, such as Phil Lesh and Friends' performances and upcoming Phish summer tour dates. It also highlights an exhibition by photographer Jay Blakesburg and his collection of Grateful Dead memorabilia, along with personal anecdotes related to Dead history.
Grateful Dead
March 11, 1993 (31 years ago)
Rosemont Horizon
Rosemont, Illinois (Chicago)
Grateful Dead Live at Rosemont Horizon on 1993-03-11 : Free Borrow & Streaming : Internet Archive
Final night of 3 show run March 9 – March 11 (Tuesday – Thursday)
INTRO: Help On The Way
Track #1
:20 – 2:06
Released on Blues For Allah (1975)
Played 111 times
First time: June 17, 1975 at Winterland, S.F.
Last time: June 22, 1995 at Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY
SHOW No. 1: When I Paint My Masterpiece
Track #6
1:36 – 3:12
"When I Paint My Masterpiece" is a 1971 song written by Bob Dylan. It was first released by The Band, who recorded the song for their album Cahoots, released on September 15, 1971. Dylan himself first recorded the song at New York's Blue Rock Studio when he was backed by Leon Russell and session musicians, including Jesse Ed Davis on lead guitar, appeared on Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits Vol. II, released November 17, 1971, with Russell credited as the producer.
Dylan and The Band performed the song together live, in the early hours of January 1, 1972, at a New Year's Eve concert by The Band; a recording was released as a bonus track on the 2001 CD reissue of The Band's live album Rock of Ages.
Douglas Brinkley, while interviewing Dylan for the New York Times in 2020, noted that "When I Paint My Masterpiece" was a song that had grown on him over the years and asked Dylan why he had brought it "back to the forefront of recent concerts". Dylan replied, "It’s grown on me as well. I think this song has something to do with the classical world, something that’s out of reach. Someplace you’d like to be beyond your experience. Something that is so supreme and first rate that you could never come back down from the mountain. That you’ve achieved the unthinkable. That’s what the song tries to say, and you’d have to put it in that context. In saying that though, even if you do paint your masterpiece, what will you do then? Well, obviously you have to paint another masterpiece".
According to his official website, Dylan played the song live 182 times between 1975 and 2019.[4] Five live performances of the song from Dylan's 1975 Rolling Thunder Revue tour were released on the box set The Rolling Thunder Revue: The 1975 Live Recordings in 2019. The live debut occurred at the War Memorial Auditorium in Plymouth, Massachusetts on October 30, 1975 and the most recent performances occurred on the Rough and Rowdy Ways World Wide Tour in 2023.
Played 146 times
First: June 13, 1987 at Ventura County Fairgrounds, Ventura, CA
Last: July 9, 1995 at Soldier Field, Chicago
My favorite Dylan cover. Would rotate in first set with other Dylan covers including Queen Jane Approximately, Stuck Inside of Mobile With Memphis Blues Again and Desolation Row.
SHOW No. 2: So Many Roads
Track #7
:39 – 2:21
So Many Roads was first performed by the Grateful Dead on February 22, 1992. It was then played regularly through to the last performance of the song on July 9, 1995. In total the song was played just over 50 times.
Jerry Garcia spoke about So Many Roads in an interview with Dave DiMartino in 1992;
“It's Hunter writing me from my point of view, you know what I mean? We've been working together for so long that he knows what I know. The song is full of references to things that have to do with me....
“....Hunter is the only guy that could do that. He can write my point of view better than I can think it, you know what I mean? So that's the kind of relationship we have. And he frequently writes tunes from my point of view that are autobiographical. There actually biographical I guess. He's the one writing them, but even so they express my point of view - and more than that they express the emotional content of my soul in a certain way that only a long-term and intimate relationship with a guy as brilliant as Hunter coughs up ... I can sing that song, feel totally comfortable with it.”
Robert Hunter's comments on the origins of this song in the notes in Box Of Rain: Lyrics 1965-1993;
“One afternoon, Jerry was playing some unstructured changes on the piano. Figuring they might be forgotten otherwise, I clicked on my tape recorder. Ten years later I found the tape and listened to it, liked it, and set these words to it. Listening to the pitifully recorded and time-degraded tape, Jerry protested that, although he liked the words, his changes were not very good and unfinished besides. This didn't seem to be the base and I requested that he at least give it a run through. The result was one of the better received new GD songs and one that almost got away.”
Never released on a Dead studio album but was a centerpiece of the Dead’s first Box Set: So Many Roads, 5 disc retrospective of the band from 1965 to 1995.
Many commentators said this was the best one ever. When I saw the show, we were still just all hearing the song fort the first few times and getting used to it. Over time, it has become a favorite thanks to Hunter’s lyrics and Jerry’s playing and singing. Very emotional.
SHOW No. 3: Iko Iko
Track No. 9
4:04 – 5:38
"Iko Iko" (/ˈaɪkoʊˈaɪkoʊ/) is a much-coveredNew Orleans song that tells of a parade collision between two tribes of Mardi Gras Indians and the traditional confrontation. The song, under the original title "Jock-A-Mo", was written and released in 1953 as a single by James "Sugar Boy" Crawford and his Cane Cutters but it failed to make the charts.
The story tells of a "spy boy" (i.e. a lookout for one band of Indians) encountering the "flag boy" or guidon carrier for another "tribe". He threatens to "set the flag on fire". Crawford set phrases chanted by Mardi Gras Indians to music for the song. Crawford himself states that he has no idea what the words mean, and that he originally sang the phrase "Chock-a-mo", but the title was misheard by Chess Records and Checker Records president Leonard Chess, who misspelled it as "Jock-a-mo" for the record's release.
The song first became popular in 1965 by the girl groupthe Dixie Cups, who scored an international hit with "Iko Iko". In 1967, as part of a lawsuit settlement between Crawford and the Dixie Cups, the trio were given part songwriting credit for the song. In 1972, Dr. John had a minor hit with his version of "Iko Iko".
Second set opener. From intro, it was hard to tell if they were going into Women Are Smarter to Iko. Really enjoyed Women Are Smarter, but always extra happy when it turns out to be Iko. Great version. Jerry very energetic and really getting into it.
Played 185 times
First: May 15, 1977 at The Arena in St. Louis
Last: July 5, 1995 at Riverport Amphitheater in St. Louis (first and last time in St. Louis!!)
SHOW No. 4: Space
Track #15 (note that there are 2 “Space” tracks, this is the first one, Track 15)
4:25 – 5:42 (The Island – Ken Nordine)
Ken Nordine (April 13, 1920 – February 16, 2019) was an American voice-over and recording artist, best known for his series of word jazz albums.[2] His deep, resonant voice has also been featured in many commercial advertisements and movie trailers. One critic wrote that "you may not know Ken Nordine by name or face, but you'll almost certainly recognize his voice.”
In 1955, he provided the voiceover on Billy Vaughn's version of "Shifting Whispering Sands", which peaked at number 5 on the Billboard Hot 100. He subsequently attracted wider attention when he recorded the aural vignettes on Word Jazz (Dot, 1957). Love Words, Son of Word Jazz (Dot, 1958) and his other albums in this vein feature Nordine's narration over cool jazz by the Fred Katz Group featuring Chico Hamilton recording under an alias.
Nordine began performing and recording such albums at the peak of the beat era and was associated with the poetry-and-jazz movement. However, it has been observed that some of Nordine's writings "are more akin to Franz Kafka or Edgar Allan Poe" than to the beats.[8] Many of his word jazz tracks feature critiques of societal norms.[9] Some are lightweight and humorous, while others reveal dark, paranoid undercurrents and bizarre, dream-like scenarios. Nordine's DVD, The Eye Is Never Filled was released in 2007.[9]
Nordine hosted the weekly Word Jazz program on WBEZ, also carried on other stations, from the 1970s for over forty years.
In 1990, Nordine was approached by Jerry Garcia of The Grateful Dead to be the anchor for their New Year's Eve radio broadcast from Oakland, California.[13] For the broadcast he recorded some improvisations with Garcia, drummer Mickey Hart and Egyptian musician Hamza El-Din.[13] This subsequently led to an album Devout Catalyst, released on the Grateful Dead's own label in 1991[13] and Upper Limbo in 1993[14] and an appearance with the band live at a show at Rosemont, Illinois, in March 1993.
Ken Nordine died February 16, 2019.
OUTRO: Days Between
Track No. 18
4:51 – 6:51
“Days Between,” a late song in the Robert Hunter / Jerry Garcia songbook, was perhaps their last collaboration on a big, significant song, one that ranks with “Dark Star” and “Terrapin Station” as ambitious and intentionally grand. (I was talking the other day with a friend, about Garcia’s playing and songwriting, and the thought came up that Garcia, like few others, was unafraid of grandeur, and could successfully pull it off. Same with Hunter.)
It appeared like the ghostly ships it describes, as if gradually from a fog and only slowly revealing itself as something very big, towering above everything around. It’s hard to say it any better than Phil Lesh did in his autobiography, Searching for the Sound:
“Achingly nostalgic, ‘Days Between’ evokes the past. The music climbs laboriously out of shadows, growing and peaking with each verse, only to fall back each time in hopeless resignation. When Jerry sings the line ‘when all we ever wanted / was to learn and love and grow’ or ‘gave the best we had to give / how much we’ll never know,’ I am immediately transported decades back in time, to a beautiful spring morning with Jerry, Hunter, Barbara Meier, and Alan Trist—all of us goofing on the sheer exhilaration of being alive. I don’t know whether to weep with joy at the beauty of the vision or with sadness at the impassable chasm of time between the golden past and the often painful present.”
Each verse in the song contains fourteen lines, and each evokes a different season of the year, although not in sequence. The first verse contains the lines “Summer flies and August dies / the world grows dark and mean.” I can’t hear that line without thinking about August West, in Wharf Rat, and, by extension, Garcia himself. “The singing man is at his song / the holy on their knees.” Who is the singing man, if not Garcia, when it comes to Hunter and his words?
Played 42 times by the band, always in the second set, almost always out of drums
First: February 22, 1993 at the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum in Oakland, CA
Last: June 24, 1995 at RFK Stadium, Washington, D.C.
This was just the second time it was ever played
“Gave the best we had to give, how much we’ll never know”
No chorus in this song, just verses that keep building on each other.
Larry (00:31.214)
Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Deadhead Cannabis Show. I'm Larry Mishkin from Chicago, Michigan law, and we got another great episode for you guys today on the Deadhead Cannabis Show. We're featuring a show that I attended way, way back in 1993 on March 11th, 31 years ago today at the Rosemont Horizon in Rosemont, Illinois, which is just outside of Chicago, right across the highway from the airport.
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And not necessarily the best place to see a show, but certainly the place where we saw a lot of dead shows in the 1980s. They would squeeze us all in there, and dead would come out and play away. And we always had a good time. And March 11, 1993 was no exception. So let's dive right in and listen to how they opened the show that night.
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Help On The Way, the kickoff tune for the Help On The Way, Slipknot, Franklin's Tower. Suite of songs, we talked about Slipknot a week or two ago, and we've talked about Franklin's Tower quite a bit. Help On The Way, Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter tune, always the lead song when they're playing that whole trio of songs. And here they open the show with it. And anytime you go into a Grateful Dead show and they come out roaring with Help On The Way, Slipknot.
into franklin's you ought you have to decide right there and then that this is just gonna be a pretty darn good night and uh... you know we just take it from there and this was a great night uh... was the final night of a three -night run at the rosemont horizon uh... which was a pain in the ass to get to cuz you do we'd be driving out there during traffic and yes this was a very standard three show run for them a tuesday through thursday uh... you know presumably they did it to minimize that the crowd so that you know people who worked all week in other cities and
but we traveled to Chicago and you could fly into O 'Hare Airport and it was literally a two minute cab ride for people who wanted to just pop in and pop out. And so we figured they did it in the middle of the week just to make life difficult for the out of towners, but it made life difficult for us too. You gotta leave work downtown early. At that point in time, well you could take the train out there, but it didn't go to the horizon. You would have to then get onto a bus and something else. So of course we'd always just all wind up driving, although sometimes,
If I was downtown late, I'd take the train and then get picked up out there by one of the airport parking lots, and then we would zoom over to the show. Parking there was always a disaster. If you pulled into the actual lot, you had to be prepared for an hour, hour and a half, if not more, on the back end because there was no lines. People just parked everywhere once you pulled in. Presumably, they would have rows where you were supposed to park, but nobody ever really followed it.
And so if you came out, you could have cars completely surrounding your car so you couldn't move until enough of them came and moved. And then there were no lines. People just trying to get to the exit from whichever direction they were coming from. And so there was a hotel next door. And for a while, we all learned the trick that you could go park in the hotel parking lot and then just simply walk an extra 10 feet across a little grassy divide that they had. But somewhere along the way, the hotel got smart about that.
Larry (05:28.334)
And they put up a gate, a parking gate, and you had to get a ticket when you went in and then pay when you went out. And it wasn't really any cheaper, although it was still more convenient. So we would do that for a long time. But always a difficult place. And the Rosemont police were no fun. They weren't fun. They didn't even try to be fun. Their presence outside of the arena before the shows was always so strong and so obvious and very, very in your face. And they'd be lining up around the arena to really make sure that.
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uh... nothing improper was going on you know looking for people who they thought they might want to have so if they look like they might have drugs on or something like that uh... and after the show especially we would people came stumbling out of there uh... if you bumped into the wrong cop at the right time you could have a prominent fact one night we came out of there and we were all buzz and pretty good and uh... as we were walking to the car i hear out of you know copy on hey stop stop right there and i'm thinking okay well i hope whoever it is stops in
I'm just minding my own business. I'm not running or anything. I'm just walking, cutting through the cars to get over to my car. And then I hear, hey, dude, we said stop, stop right now. And I'm like, huh, what? What are you talking about? And then all of a sudden, three cops come running up to me. We said stop. I'm like, I'm sorry. I didn't know. And I stopped freaking out. Why are they stopping me? I had some weed in my pocket. And one of the cops says, show me that t -shirt. I'd bought a t -shirt inside or somewhere, and I had it slung over my shoulder.
And I took the t -shirt off, and I opened it up so he could see. He goes, yeah, you see? And he pointed to his buddy, one of the other cops. Yeah, isn't that funny? OK, you can go. That's all. I just wanted to show my buddy your t -shirt. I'm like, I almost pissed in my pants. They're screaming at me like you want me to stop. But that was the Rosemount Horizon. But the dead played great shows there, really, really good shows. This one was no exception. This whole set was a really good run of shows. And uh.
You know, we enjoyed it all, and you put up with what you have to put up with. But when you get there and they open up with help on the way, all the other issues just kind of fade away. We know the song was released on Blues for All in 1975. The Dead played it 111 times. It was first played on June 17, 1975 at the Winterland in San Francisco from The Vault Volume 1. We talked about the From The Vault volumes a few weeks ago.
The last time it was played was June 22, 1995 at the Knickerbocker Arena up in Albany, New York, a prime spot for the Grateful Dead to play. And they released a three -disc set of shows rocking at the Knickerbocker, dozing at the Knick, with a whole Rip Van Winkle theme to it, which.
Larry (08:03.726)
Three really good discs with a lot of good cuts of a lot of good songs. No full show there, just different songs they selected from the various nights. But still, you know, grateful dead music and always fun to listen to. So yeah, Help on the Way. It's a great way to start. You know, everybody's in a good mood. And a little bit further along in the first set, we get the Dylan for the Day cover.
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When I Paint My Masterpiece is a 1971 song written by Bob Dylan. It was first released by the band, who you know was Dylan's band for a long time. They recorded the song for their album Cahoots, released on September 15th, 1971. Dylan himself first recorded the song at New York's Blue Rock Studio, where he was backed by Leon Russell and session musicians, including Jesse Ed Davis on lead guitar. And it appeared on Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits, Volume 2.
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released on November 17, 1971, with Russell credited as the producer. Dylan and the band performed the song together live in the early hours of January 1, 1972, at a New Year's Eve concert by the band, a recording that was released as a bonus track on the 2001 CD reissue of the band's live album, Rock of Ages.
Douglas Brinkley, while interviewing Dylan for the New York Times in 2020, noted that when I paint my masterpiece was a song that had grown on him over the years and asked Dylan why he brought it back to the forefront of recent concerts. Dylan replied, it's grown on me as well. I think this song has something to do with the classical world, something that's out of reach, someplace you'd like to be beyond your experience, something that is so supreme and first rate that you could never come back down from the mountain, that you achieved the unthinkable. That's what the song tries to say.
And you'd have to put it in that context in saying that though, even if you do paint your masterpiece, what will you do then? Well, obviously, you have to paint another masterpiece. According to his official website, Dylan played the song live 182 times between 1975 and 2019. So that does not take into some of his more current touring that we've been talking about, the Rough and Rowdy Waves Tour. He has five live performances of the song from Dylan's 1975 Rolling Thunder review that were released on the box set.
The Rolling Thunder Review, the 1975 live recordings released in 2019. The live debut occurred at the War Memorial Auditorium in Plymouth, Massachusetts on October 30th, 1975. And the most recent performances occurred on the Rough and Rowdy Ways Worldwide Tour of 2023. So we do have that, just don't have the specific dates. As for The Grateful Dead, they played the song 146 times. First played on June 13th, 1987 at Venture County Fairgrounds in Venture, California.
Dan Humiston (11:59.689)
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Last played on July 9th, 1995 at Soldier Field in Chicago, the last show. So played it right up until the very end there. It's one of my very favorite Dylan covers at the Grateful Dead play. For a long time in the mid to late 80s, it would rotate in the first set with their other, certain other Dylan covers, including Queen Jane, approximately. Stuck inside of Mobile with those Memphis Blues again, and Desolation Row. And that doesn't even count all the other Dylan covers that they would play that would pop up in all different parts of the show.
Dan Humiston (12:29.641)
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This was a great tune and what I like about this clip is that on the chorus you have Jerry singing in the background and he's singing it in a way to make his voice very distinctive but not overpowering so Bobby's Bobby's the lead singer but you get Jerry back there and he does that on times sometimes on Samson and Delilah tear this old building down and really drag it out And I always liked it because it just says to me, you know Jerry's tuning in he's paying attention to what's going on. He's not just up there strumming the guitar and he's having a good time he he
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you know he wants to be part of it in fact the first time i ever heard a cover of this tune well was jerry dot jerry doing it and uh... there are recordings out there dot jerry or the jury garcia band or whoever he's playing with at the moment where he he sings it
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And I like that version just as much as I do when Bobby sings it. It's a great tune, it's a lot of fun. The kids in concert really like it when he talks about playing in the Coliseum and if you're playing in one of the indoor arenas like the Hampton Coliseum, everybody goes wild and screams and yells and all that kind of dead on cue, dead head stuff on cue that we all love and go to the concerts to see.
sometimes be a part of. So they're off to a good start with this show and they're really cranking along and we will get back to it in one minute. I want to talk some music though, some other stuff that's going on. First and foremost, last week, so last Monday and Tuesday, we had Phil and friends playing at the Capitol Theater, March 4th and 5th. And these shows were his regular.
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Phil birthday shows, his birthday is March 15th, so just a few days from now. And this year Phil will turn 84. Now 84, we're talking old. 80, yeah that was one thing, that was cool and nice to see. But 84, hoop is at 84 years old, standing up playing three hours of rock and roll, singing and doing all the stuff that he's doing. And we're not gonna count Mick Jagger, because we all know that he can still run circles around everybody. But Phil.
is up there just doing this and uh... most importantly he's doing it with the quintet right the quintet is jimmy herring of widespread panic lead guitar you have warren haynes uh... of warren haynes playing the uh... rhythm guitar you have rob baracko on the keyboards and doing some great singing whenever they all get together you can always count on rob whipping out a do with that rag which is a great uh...
classic song from the late 60s, early 70s that Jerry always just used to love to play and Rob just nails it. He always does it really, really well. And then of course, John Molo on the drums. And I've always said with all apologies to Joe Russo, who is obviously a fantastic drummer, and Jay Lane, who's an exceptional drummer. Molo's always been my favorite post -Jerry drummer. And I think he really enjoys playing with the quintet.
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uh... he's always back there ham and it up and have a good time and uh... you know just keeping the beat going and and and driving the band forward uh... and it's such a pleasure to see all of these wonderful musicians together was one of the first original uh... conglomerations that phil put together uh... way back in like uh... two thousand three or four i want to say uh... and you know most of the time he doesn't have the quintet you know it
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uh... jimmy hearings are touring with widespread they tour quite a bit and uh... warren haines is always touring and playing with somebody rob beracco is out bouncing around with various dead groups and john mull is just keeping the beat for you know anybody who will uh... who'll bring a minute let him play and and and you know when they do that's great to see uh... he's just uh... he's just such a talented guy so uh... it's unfortunate this time i was not able to make it out to you
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of the capital theater in in porchester new york all for those shows the last time they played as the quintet out there uh... in twenty twenty one i was good buddy mikey uh... for my birthday and uh... he was kind enough to take me out there for that and uh... we really enjoyed it had a great time in three nights then of the uh... the quintet was is you know as much as we could handle but i'm sure we could have handled more uh... and these are you can find them on on our cover where you go to listen to your life music
And I would very, very strongly recommend that you check out the Quintet this year or any other year. They're just great. And when they get together and start whooping and hollering, I don't think there's very many places, other places musically speaking, that I would rather be. And I'm sure that's probably true for a number of deadheads who have really looked to Phil to kind of be the guiding light.
Dan Humiston (17:25.659)
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in the post -Jerry world. No disrespect to Denon Company or Rat Dog or Bobby and the Wolf Brothers who are all great, but there's just something about Phil when he gets it together and especially with the quintet that really makes for a fun time. So the quintet played and we're all the better for it because the music is out there for us to listen to. In addition, Phish has announced a summer tour and I gotta tell ya, you know sometimes...
uh... they seem to be avoiding chicago we can't get him to come through or anything like that but you have a careful what you wish for cuz what it when it rains and pours so uh... you know i've been talking about the fact that in mid -august i would be heading out to delaware for fish festival out there and i know it's already got a name i haven't learned the name yet i hear people use it all the time i'm old i'll figure it out eventually uh... but looking forward to go out there for four shows uh... with my son and his crew who were kind enough to invite me along so that i could have a
real true fish experience, a fish festival, with real true fish fans. So I think that would be a great time and very, very excited about it. But in the meantime, in July, we've got fish playing three nights at Alpine. And then from there, they go on to play two nights in St. Louis. And from there, they go on to play three nights at Deer Creek and then two nights in Grand Rapids. All of these places are within four and a half for five hours. St. Louis is probably the farthest away of all of them.
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But if I went to all of them, that would be 10 shows and then still leaving town the next month to go out to Delaware. You gotta know when to hold them, boys. And I don't wanna push my luck, so I'm thinking that I'm gonna do Rosemont, not Rosemont, Alpine, because they love Alpine and they always play great shows up there and Alpine's a great place to see them. And I gotta go see them in St. Louis because why not? You know, St. Louis is my home base. I saw them play there at the Fox Theater in 2009.
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uh... would cool cousin brent scored us really great seats in one of the private boxes uh... and dot you know uh... fishes fish right now this is still them right all the original members all the original everything in quite frankly they're just they're killing it right now when we were out in california was on california this past week and uh... visited some good friends uh... cousins and family members out there so before fish fans and we were uh... we were checking out the mexico shows a couple of nights and those were just excellent
You know just so much fun a great ruby waves one night That you know really kind of brought the house down and as everyone knows is very special to me with my brand -new not so brand -new granddaughter ruby anymore Who at least arguably can is said can be named was named for the song? But you know when they're when they're jamming like that they're getting into good stuff like that I would it was actually I think ruby waves into Golden Age and then back into ruby waves, and I love the Golden Age cover, too so you know
That would be wonderful. We should be so lucky that somewhere in all of these next round of shows I'm going to be going to that we'll pick up something like that. But I'm very excited to have a summer full of fish coming up. And just to get back to that live music that always so defined to summer when we were waiting to find out where and when the dead were going to be playing. And we would hit the road. And now doing it, it brings back great memories. But it's a great time to create new memories with my son, with his friends.
with my friends in St. Louis, some of whom have never seen Fish before, and we're gonna be dragging them along to some shows down there. So you know, you can check it. I think you have, well actually I think you had until today. So if you haven't done it by today, I think you'd still do it today until like 5 p .m. But I wouldn't wait. I'd rush in and get your names in the listing for the drawings when they start pulling for these shows. If you miss them all, don't blame me, because I think they're gonna be great and a lot of fun. But that is Fish.
And we're not quite there yet, but we will be. And I also want to give a shout out to very good friend of the show, Jay Blakesburg, the photographer for The Dead and just about any other cool jam band that you can think of out there. And we're working on getting Jay on the show. He's got a very busy schedule right now. But as always, he's kind enough to talk with us and give us great ideas. And we're shooting for end of April, beginning of May with Jay. And as soon as we have him locked in, we'll let you know.
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because our episodes with Jay are always fun. We always learn new things and he has the best stories around. But I do just want to drop two quick things. The first is, and I may have mentioned this last time, Jay purchased a large, from Dan Healy, former Dead Soundboard guy, a huge box of dead stuff. The kind of stuff that your mother would make you throw away or that you know.
Your average fan may or may not be into, but the people who love The Dead are into it, right? So they have the Dead's tour books from all their tours. A tour book is basically just what it sounds like, a notebook that has separate pages for each night, where they're staying, the telephone numbers for the hotels, who their transportation is, their flight information from one city to the next. Just chock full of absolutely meaningless information, unless you're a dead head and you really love to see that kind of stuff. And backstage passes from shows.
uh... guitar clips and i mean just all sorts of stuff that's that's you know is what it is but i i was lucky enough to be able to stop by jays uh... when i was out there really week ago now uh... and uh... he was showing me this stuff and he was kind enough to let me step in and make a quick purchase and i am now the proud owner of an official program the official printed program that was handed out to the attendees of the grateful dead shows
at the pyramids in Egypt in 1978. So, had to lay out a few dollars for that. The wife wasn't necessarily thrilled about it, but you know, sometimes you gotta grab a piece of dead history when you have that moment to be able to do so, and years from now, when people are saying, wow, this is from the 1978 shows, how cool is that? And I'm gonna be able to say, yeah, wasn't quite there, wasn't quite old enough to be doing that kind of traveling to see the Grateful Dead, but it's a part of history, and I'm very excited to have it, and thank Jay tremendously for.
you know, put me in a, creating a situation where this was even possible. And keep your eyes open because there's gonna be advertisements coming out soon for some big auctions that Jay's gonna be holding to move some of this stuff and raise some money for some very charitable purposes. But that was the first thing. Then the second thing we just happened to discover while we were out there in San Francisco, that Jay has an exhibit going, an exhibition.
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And it was at the Contemporary Jewish Museum. And it was just incredible, incredible, incredible. Photographs of Jay that are almost like a life's work, all on film, nothing electronic there. Photos from when he first got interested in his cameras, when he was still in high school with all of his high school buddies doing all sorts of crazy high school buddy kind of stuff. His photos from his early days taking pictures of the dead.
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and then lots of other dead related pictures. Then a whole series of portraits of various musical performers and other people associated with the music industry, the jam band industry. My favorite was his trio of portraits of Owlsley Stanley, Ken Kesey, and Timothy Leary, sorry, and Timothy Leary.
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who could arguably be said to be the three main pillars, the three major players of the LSD, the birth of LSD and its mark on America, the world, the rock and roll scene, the Grateful Dead, the acid trips, anybody that you can think of, right? Owsley Stanley was the guy who made it and Timothy Leary was the.
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Harvard professor who studied it and took many trips and Ken Kesey was the guy who they tested it on in the 1950s at the Army testing grounds out in the Bay Area and he discovered its magic and worked to get supplies of it to eventually turn the Mary Pranksters onto it who then turned a lot of the San Francisco musical scene onto it in the epic acid tests that they had in the mid to late 1960s when the Grateful Dead became.
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the house ban and really launched the whole Grateful Dead movement. So there's a lot in those three photographs. According to Jay, it's the only known portrait of Owlsley Stanley who, due to his various legal issues, was always understandably very reluctant to have his picture taken in any way that might locate, might identify his location to law enforcement personnel who were still looking to make a name for themselves by busting LSD millionaire or LSD millionaire.
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We've told that story about how when he was busted, they all got a kick out of it because it said LSD millionaire arrested, and they turned it into LSD millionaire and wrote a cute little song about it that maybe we'll play again someday. And then Jay's exhibit just goes through to other live performances and just so many cool things. It took us, my wife and I, a little bit more than an hour to go through the whole thing. And just as we were finishing, Jay was showing up to show some other people through. And we were.
lucky enough to be able to tag along on that tour as well. And the stories are absolutely amazing and I'm not gonna tell them all now because I want Jay to tell them when we have them on the show. But if you're gonna be in the Bay Area anytime, I don't know how much longer the exhibit's gonna be there, but if you're gonna be in the Bay Area anytime, let's say within the next month or so, you should really make a point of reaching out to the Contemporary Jewish Museum in San Francisco to see if in fact the exhibit is still there. And if it is, I...
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I cannot urge you enough to go out there and check it out and see this tremendous sample of Jay's work and all the other wonderful little things he has on display there. His cameras and again, more press passes and just all sorts of stuff. And you can even get an earphone, headphone thing where you can listen to Jay tell the stories of what it is you're looking at. So, highly recommended. Great stuff going on with Jay Blakesburg. And we will certainly
We have him on the show soon, and we'll give everyone a little bit of advance notice, because that's going to be one you don't want to miss. Rolling ourselves back into our wonderful concert from 31 years ago today at the lovely Rosemont Horizon in Rosemont, Illinois. Let's dive back in with more song, another song from the first set.
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So Many Roads was first performed by the Grateful Dead on February 22, 1992. It was then played regularly through the last performance of the song on July 9, 1995 at Soldier Field. And total the Dead played the song just over 50 times. Jerry spoke about So Many Roads in an interview with Dave DiMartino in 1992, saying, it's Hunter writing me from my point of view. You know what I mean? We've been working together for so long.
that he knows what i know so i was full of references to things that have to do with me hunters the only guy that could do that he could write my point of view better than i can i think you know what i mean so this is the kind of relationship we have any frequently writes tunes from my point of view there are autobiographical there they're actually biograph biographical i guess he's the one writing but even so they express my point of view and more than that they express the emotional content of my soul in a certain way
that only a long -term and intimate relationship with a guy as brilliant as Hunter can cough up. I can sing that song and feel totally comfortable with it. And Robert Hunter, commenting on the origins of this song, said, one afternoon, Jerry was playing some unstructured changes on the piano, figuring they might be forgotten otherwise. I clicked on my tape recorder. 10 years later, I found the tape and listened to it. I liked it and set these words to it. Listening to the pitiful recorded and time -degraded tape,
Jerry protested that although he liked the words, his changes were not very good and unfinished. This didn't seem to be the bass, and I requested that he at least give it a run through. The result was one of the better received new Grateful Dead songs and one that almost got away. It was never released on a Dead studio album, but was a centerpiece on the Dead's first black set, So Many Roads, a five disc retrospective of the band over their 30 years. And this song is prominently featured.
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on the fifth disc, in particular the version from Soldier Field, the last one. A very, very moving song. Many of the commentators on the archive .org board where I found the song said that they thought this was maybe one of the best ones ever, although I still think that the one that they played the last night at Soldier Field, it was like Jerry woke up from a bad dream for a little while and just cranked it out. And it was absolutely beautiful.
When I first saw this show in 1992 at the Rosemont Horizon, we were still all just basically hearing the song for the first time. And getting used to it. Over time, it became a very favorite one, thanks to Hunter's lyrics. Jerry's playing and singing, very emotional. I picked this part of the song because I especially like that harmony that he has with Bobby on the, thought I heard a KC whistle blowin' sweet and low, thought I heard a KC whistle moan.
And it's really just a little quick harmony right there. It doesn't necessarily continue throughout the entire song, but it just really hits an oomph as they lead into that verse, which I think is the second verse of the song. And it's just a great, great, great tune, great to listen to. And yeah, these guys really nailed it, Jerry and Hunter with this. And they both go out of their way to give praise to the other guy.
which is their style. But the truth is that they both just deserve so much credit for it. Jerry takes those lyrics and then does great things with them. Hunter hears the music and writes lyrics that fits the song. Jerry gets up there with his beautiful guitar and a very mournful voice, kind of as he sings it. He has that tiredness in his voice that the song suggests, having been down so many roads and been at this for a while, that it's just really beautiful.
and really fun to hear. Now we're going to flip it, and we're going to go to the opening song of the second set, which is definitely a little bit more of Jerry being upbeat and racking out.
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Iko Iko, it's a great tune. It's wonderful, fun to hear. Great way. So you got a show where they open up the show with help slip Frank and then you got a second set opener of Iko. I mean, really, if you're a deadhead, you just can't really ask for much more than them. It's a much covered New Orleans song. It tells of a parade collision between two tribes of Mardi Gras Indians and the traditional confrontation. The song under the original title Jocomo was written and released in 1953 as a single by James Sugarboy Crawford.
and his cane cutters, but it failed to make the charts. The story tells of a spy boy, i .e. a lookout for one of the band of Indians, encountering the flag boy or Gideon carrier for another tribe. He threatens to set the flag on fire. Crawford set phrases chanted by Mardi Gras Indians to music for the song. Crawford himself states that he had no idea what the words mean and that he originally sang the phrase Chacamo, but the title was misheard by Chess Records and Checks Records president.
Leonard Chess, who misspelled it as Jocomo for the record's release. The song first became popular in 1965 by the Dixie Cups, who scored an international hit with Iko Iko. In 1967, as part of a lawsuit settlement between Crawford and the Dixie Cups, the trio were given part songwriting credit. In 1972, Dr. John had a minor hit with his version of Iko Iko on his album Gumbo, which is a great, great version of it also.
So here it's the second sun opener. From the intro, it was very hard to tell if they were going to go into Women Are Smarter or into IKO. I really enjoy Women Are Smarter, but we were always a little bit extra happy when it turned out to be IKO. And this was a great version. Jerry, very energetic and getting into it. A little jazzy. Instead of.
my spot boy, so your spot boy. This time he has my morang, sees your morang, or if you're going to do what the big chief says. Jerry just improvising on the fly, but keeping the song fresh and fun, and just always a favorite for so many reasons. And usually I would tie it into if they're playing Iko, they just must be in a really good mood and in for a little bit of a celebration. Because every time I heard it, it was just such a happy, uplifting tune.
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And they were always having fun and Jerry roaring out the hay nows and everybody yelling back, hey now. And just going back and forth on it and back and forth. And really a wonderful thing. So great fun to see. IKO was a second set opener. And it was a really, really good version. Now we're going to go into something here from the dead that's a little bit different. Something that was not done very often by them. And so I feel kind of lucky that we got to catch it when we did.
And we're sitting there listening to the Grateful Dead in the middle of space when all of a sudden this is what we hear.
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well i can't jump the gun there but yes uh... ken nordine who is ken nordine will we were even quite sure at the time although some people did you know people who listen to public broadcasting and stuff like that uh... it was an american voiceover recording artist best known for his series of word jazz albums his deep resonant voices also been featured in many commercial advertisements in movie trailers one critical that you wrote that you may not know ken nordine by name or face
But you'll almost certainly recognize his voice. In 1955, he provided voiceover on Billy Vaughan's version of Shifting Whispering Sands, which peaked at number five on the Billboard Hot 100. He subsequently attracted wider attention when he recorded the Auro Vignettes on Word Jazz in 1957, Love Words, Son of Word Jazz from 1958, and his other albums in this vein, featuring Nordin's narration over cool jazz by the Fred Katz Group, featuring Chico Hamilton, recording under an alias.
Nordine began performing and recording such albums at the peak of the beat era and was associated with the poetry and jazz movement. However, it has been observed that some of Nordine's writings are more akin to Franz Kafka or Edgar Allan Poe than to the beats. Many of his word jazz tracks feature critiques on societal norms. Some are lightweight and humorous while others reveal paranoid undercurrents and bizarre dreamlike scenarios. Nordine's DVD, The Eye Has Never Filled, The Eye Has Never Filed was released.
in 2007. Nordeen hosted the weekly word jazz program on WBEZ, was carried on other stations from the 1970s for over 40 years. In 1990, Nordeen was actually approached by Jerry to be the anchor of their New Year's Eve radio broadcast from Oakland, California. For the broadcast, he recorded some improvisations with Garcia, with drummer Mickey Hart, and Egyptian musician Hamza El -Din.
This subsequently led to an album, Devout Catalyst, released on the Grateful Dead's own label in 1991 and Upper Limbo in 1993 and an appearance with the band live at a show at Rosemont, Illinois on March 13, 1993. And Ken died on February 16, 2019. So we actually heard Ken doing his word jazz version of his work, The Island.
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A few minutes earlier in the same space, he also performed one called Fliberty Jib, which is actually kind of take off on why are all these people here looking at this group up on a pedestal in front of everybody and playing music. He's talking about the Grateful Dead and a Grateful Dead experience. But if you're sitting at a dead show in the middle of space and you're already out there, folks, you've already launched out there a little bit. And all of a sudden, you hear this booming voice come over the loud speaker.
uh... you know the first thing you recognize right away what he's not this isn't like an emergency announcement or anything he's doing something and then you kind of have to figure out what is everybody's looking to see if they can see him on stage and everybody's asking who is this guy what is he's doing again you know some of the hipsters new uh... you know stuff like that but it you know really uh... it was just ken nordine and apparently ken nordine did not pop in the grateful dead concerts and do this very often uh... so we were very happy that uh... that we got to hear him come out and and perform a little bit of his word jazz and it uh...
It was certainly very, very interesting and something that we really, really liked a lot. Now I am going to take a moment and dive back over into our talk of the day on cannabis. We've got some interesting things going on. So Dan, if you want to kick it off and lead us in, we're ready for you.
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Zach Brown Band Toes, it was released in July 2009 as the third single from the band's 2008 major label debut studio album, The Foundation. The song became their second number one hit and their third top 10 on the US Billboard Hot Country Songs chart in November 2009. And the song, Zach says adios to George and heads to the tropics for a getaway where he rolls a fat one and plays his guitar on the beach all with his toes in the water and his ass in the sand. You can't do it much better than that. So.
Thank you Dan as always for giving us a little intro into all of this and let's start with some interesting business news. Not many people probably follow this but if you do it should have caught your eye the way it did mine. Marijuana multi -state operator Truleve Cannabis Corp revealed that it has received 113 million dollars worth of tax refunds as it challenged what was owed under section 280E.
of the IRS code. Florida -based Truleve made waves in the US marijuana industry when it announced the plan to seek $143 million worth of federal tax refunds in October 2023. Truleve is also seeking $31 million in state tax refunds. And this all came out in Truleve's fourth quarter earnings report that was just released last week. It received $62 million worth of tax refunds during the quarter ending December 31.
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It received a total of $113 million in refunds to date, including $50 .3 million received in January 2024. It also received one rejection notice for a refund of the amount of $1 .2 million. TrueLeave did not specify whether the successful or rejected refunds came from the federal government or the state governments. During a Thursday earning call, TrueLeave executives were asked whether the company's tax refund strategy is applicable to other cannabis operators. TrueLeave CEO Kim Rivers said,
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She couldn't reveal more details about what she called a trade secret, but added that the company considers the tax refund strategy to be, in large part, specific to our position and our organization. We're not going to be sharing that information publicly, given the fact that it could be in a litigation posture, she said. That information might be available if and when we actually get in to court filings that would be a matter of public record. True Leaf Chief Financial Officer Wes Gepman said the company is still accruing money.
to pay off its tax liabilities in the face of uncertainty. Until this process reaches a final resolution, we anticipate the uncertain tax position will increase over time. We will continue to make timely payments as ordinary corporate taxpayer. So interestingly enough, we have a company that may have discovered the secret sauce on how to fight with the IRS over 280e deductions. Interestingly, but not surprisingly, they don't want to share it because they see it as a trade secret.
Certainly, if they can find a way to not get hit by 280E, Truleaf stands to profit in a way that all other dispensaries won't because they're all going to get hit by 280E. Makes a big difference when you're getting taxed on 60 % or 70 % of your gross revenue as opposed to only 30 % or 40 % of your gross revenue. And in a perfect world, we'd all certainly like to see Truleaf say, hey, we could get an advantage off of this, but in the interest of,
uh... a robust and you know roaring in healthy marijuana industry what we want to share this uh... with the entire industry because as we always say when when everyone you know everyone benefits when one person benefits and you know it's imperative on the big ms those to not crush the mom and pops that the smaller players who come along after the ms those or wealth or well settled in you know enrolling in the big box
uh... you know we need the smaller people to keep improving the quality of the various strains that are out there bringing in better genetics all the things that the big guys just don't want to do because they're making enough money doing what they are doing so they don't really seem to be ultra motivated uh... to go in and do anything else but you know i mean killed i understand which really was coming from they paid their their accounts in their legal counsel good money i'm sure but as they indicate if there is litigation there's a good likelihood that a lot of this will all come out
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and people have an opportunity to look at it and get a better idea over exactly how they're making their arguments for relief under 280E that are in fact successful arguments. Anytime anybody in the marijuana industry is successful in fighting the IRS, it's something I think for all of us to celebrate and be very happy about. And hopefully, as I say, there will come a point in time where others will have an opportunity to benefit from this.
and that we will have a much stronger industry where people can really make profits and not have to worry about their profits being gobbled up by the government under 280E. So this is one we want to keep an eye on, and we will, as True Leave continues its final negotiations with the IRS, and we see if they get the relief they're looking for or if they're going to be forced to go into court.
and seek it that way. So we will find out what we can about that. Thank you to MJ Biz Daily for providing the content for this story. Switching over now, we've got a couple of stories coming to us from Marijuana Moment, and both of these stories go into the category of, well duh, right? We know this, we've been saying this, and hopefully everybody else will say it now too.
People who use marijuana take more walks on average compared to non -users and e -cigarette users, according to findings of a new study that challenged the stereotype of cannabis consumers, i .e. stoners, being less active. The study, published in the Journal of Preventive Medicine Reports late last month, also found that marijuana consumers are no less likely to engage in basic exercise and strength training compared to non -users. Researchers at the University of Texas at Dallas
and Ohio University carried out the study, which was based on data on 2 ,591 adults who participated in the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health from 2016 to 2018. Results indicated that participants marijuana and e -cigarette use predicted their walking for exercise with marijuana users walking the highest number of times per week, followed by non -users, e -cigarette users, and dual users, they found. However, this effect only approached significance
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after controlling it for covariates. There were no significant differences in strength training or general exercise between groups. The author said the study is among the first of its kind to explore the relationship between marijuana and e -cigarette use and exercise behavior, accounting for exercise types. They concluded marijuana use is not significantly related to engagement in a particular type of physical activity, findings that challenge the stereotype that marijuana and e -cigarette users
are less active than their non -using counterparts. As to the question of why marijuana consumers seem to walk more often than non -cannabis users, the study authors theorized that this may be due to some adults using cannabis to increase their motivation for enjoyment of exercise or the concentration of marijuana use in a particular urban area. People who live in large American cities, which tend to be in states where medical and recreational marijuana are illegal, also tend to use public transport and walk more, they said.
To the point about increased enjoyment with cannabid use, a study published in December also found that marijuana consumers prior to exercise can lead to greater enjoyment and an enhanced runner's high. Another study published last July surveyed 49 runners and found that participants experienced less negative effect, greater feelings of positive effect, tranquility, enjoyment, and dissociation, and more runner's high symptoms during their cannabis versus non -cannabis runs. So.
you know this is not insignificant we have a number of people who saying although you don't smoke marijuana because if you do you're gonna be a couch potato you never gonna go out you never gonna do anything but guess what that prejudice doesn't hold up either and now here's another study that that that tells us that and you know we can see directly from this uh... that if you smoke you're just as likely and maybe even more likely uh... to get up into do your workouts and all of that uh...
that's an important point because again it it battles this notion that's that's constantly pressed by the prohibitionists you know if you smoke marijuana you're never gonna want to do anything you're gonna be sitting on a couch in your mother's basement for the rest of your life asking her to make you grilled cheese sandwich you know why you play nintendo or you know space box or whatever any of these teams are called well with your with your equally stoner buddy uh... you know living the life that everyone predicted you would live
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if you cross the threshold and started smoking. So I think it's very, very important that people understand that a lot of that is a myth. And that's what these studies promote, right? That.
all the warnings that people are giving us and and all the uh... negative prejudices that we've all come to know and understand uh... really don't hold water in most instances once they're put up to meaningful testing and studying and this is just another example of that where if somebody who doesn't want mara run around is telling you
I don't want it because I don't want to turn everybody in my world into a bunch of zombies. You now have an opportunity to be able to come back to them and say, don't worry. Based on our studies that we've seen, that's not going to happen. Here's the other good news. Marijuana use is associated with lower odds of subjective cognitive decline, according to a new study with people who consume cannabis for recreational or medical purposes, reporting less confusion and memory loss compared to non -users.
The study, which showed that recreational cannabis use is significantly linked to lower SCD, subjective cognitive decline, is especially notable given that past research has connected subjective decline to the development of dementia later in life. The results, which were published in the journal Current Alzheimer Research this month, indicate that THC's impact on cognitive function may be more complicated than popularly assumed. Compared to non -users, the study says,
non -medicine cannibal use was significantly associated with 96 % decreased odds of SCD. People who reported using marijuana for medical purpose or for both medical and recreational also showed decreased odds of SCD, although not as significant, the study found. To be sure, a number of earlier studies have indicated negative associations between heavy cannabis use and mental performance. Authors of the new study out of SUNY Upstate Medical University in Syracuse,
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pointed to past results linking long -term or frequent cannabis use to compromised verbal recall performance, worsened cognitive function, and subjective memory complaints, for example. However, they say, the cognitive implications of cannabis are not only determined by the frequency of cannabis consumption, they wrote, noting that other factors, including product formulation, method of administration, and reason for use, may also impact the cognitive effects.
associated with cannabis use. They go on, our study addresses these knowledgeable gaps by comprehensively examining how reason, frequency, and method of cannabis use are associated with SCD among US middle -aged and older adults, the report says. The survey asks respondents during the past 12 months, have you experienced confusion or memory loss that is happening more often or is getting worse? They could respond yes, no, don't know, not sure, or refuse the question.
Results were analyzed across three cannabis variables, frequency of use over the past month, ranging from 0 to 30 days, reason for cannabis use, which included non -user, medical, non -medical, or both, and the method of cannabis consumption, non -user, smoke, eat, drink, vaporize, dab, or other. We found that non -medical cannabis use was significantly associated with reduced odds of SCD in comparison to non -users. So there you have it. It goes on.
to talk more about this, and it's another study worth reading, but another one that battles all of the traditional myths and prejudices and mistruths about marijuana that we get from people. It's going to make you lose your memory. It's going to give you cognitive decline. And again, once it's actually being tested and subject to medical testing and studies like it is here,
guess what the answers don't hold up to what we've been warned about all of our lives to the contrary the evidence from the study suggested all the lies we've been told our whole lives are just in fact that lives or it at best to be polite statements that are not backed up by factor have no uh... factual basis uh... for people to be talking about them and you know that's just as important as anything and it's it's it's important for us to see these studies they're reaffirming
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both in terms of the fact that, yes, we really have been lied to, and also in terms of the fact that for people who may have some concerns about whatever their level of cannabis use is, that it's not going to negatively impact your desire to exercise. It's not going to cause cognitive decline, at least not in the overwhelming majority of cases that they reviewed. And these are important factors that people should know about and have honest answers to be able to evaluate when everyone makes a decision about.
whether or not cannabis is something that they think they want to use, whether it is for medical or non -medical purposes. So thank you to all of these authors of all of these reports who are really setting the record straight for us and really laying out there what's going on and what this is all about. And quite frankly, based on what they're saying, it all seems pretty good. And that's nice to know. I'd like to say it's not surprising because we all like to think that marijuana is just something that.
God or our creator or Mother Nature, whoever you believe in, this is natural. This is provided by the Earth. And it provides results to us that are similar to results you can get from using pharmaceutical produced drugs. But why have to go through that and worry about all the other things that they're putting in the pharmaceutical drugs when we know that we have natural remedies for these things? And marijuana is one of those natural remedies. And when consumed,
uh... you know by people appropriately just like if you drink appropriately but in this case if you're consuming marijuana appropriately it can provide well -recognized medical benefits and as a result of any of these studies we read that's more than sufficient to get removed from schedule one as an at a minimum down to schedule three if not completely off of the scheduling altogether but don't forget this is where all the loudly screaming prohibitionists out there uh... you know like to sit there and tell us what all the bad things that will happen to us
And again, guess what? They're wrong. We're right. So they need to step aside and allow marijuana to be used out there in all states and across the country so people can both get the medical benefits that they receive from it and other people can get the other benefits, the relaxing benefits, the social benefits, all the reasons why they like to smoke marijuana.
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but are concerned about doing it because of negative public perceptions and things like that. So good stories all the way around. And it's always nice to have positive marijuana stories to report. So we're running out of time. We're going to close with one final song. But before we do it, I just want to talk about it just a little bit. It's Days Between.
It's a song by Robert Hunter and Jerry Garcia. It was perhaps their last collaboration on a big significant song, one that ranks, some people say, with Dark Star and Terrapin as ambitiously and intentionally grand, really taking it to another level. And I suppose that you could certainly see that. It appeared like ghostly ships it describes, as if gradually from a fog and only slowly revealing itself as something very big.
towering above everything around. It's hard to say it any better than Phil did in his autobiography searching for the sound. Achingly nostalgic, Days Between evokes the past. The music climbs laboriously out of shadows, growing and peaking with each verse, only to fall back each time in hopeless resignation. When Jerry sings the line, when all we ever wanted was to learn and love and grow,
or gave the best we had to give how much we'll never know, I'm immediately transported decades back in time to a beautiful spring morning with Jerry, Hunter, Barbara Mayer, and Alan Trist, all of us goofing on the sheer exhilaration of being alive. I don't know whether to weep with joy at the beauty of the vision or with sadness at the impassable chasm of time between the golden past and the awful painful present.
The song was notable because each verse in the song contains 14 lines. Each evokes a different season of the year, although not in sequence. The first verse contains the line, summer flies and August dies. The world grows dark and mean. I can't hear that line without thinking about August West and Warfarin, by extension Garcia himself. The singing man is at his song, the holy on their knees. Who is the singing man if not Garcia? And when it comes to Hunter and his words.
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you know all beautifully said and uh... very appropriate for a song like this uh... played forty two times by the band always in the second set almost always out of drums annual debt that's kind of a counter to uh... uh... so many roads which
We in this concert was played in the first set, but in many other concerts where I saw it was played in the second set. So it was one that moved around. But Days Between was always pretty comfortably ensconced there, I think, as the second set, typically post -drums, Jerry Ballad. They played it 42 times, as we said. First on February 26, 1993 at the Oakland Alameda County Coliseum in Oakland. The last time on June 24, 1995 at RFK Stadium in Washington, DC.
uh... this concert uh... from thirty one years ago was just the second time it had ever been played and i have to agree with phil gave the best we had to give how much we'll never know uh... what a beautiful thought what a beautiful you know representation from jerry and from robert hunter and from the entire band uh... uh... you know to say these things and uh... it's just a a really really beautiful song and i'll admit mike my friend
One -armed Larry out there will give me grief because even as recently as the 2015 reunion shows when he heard them sound checking it and he called me to tell me and I was like, oh really? Bobby plays it all the time. I can't say that I enjoy Bobby's version of it as much, but Bobby has this thing about playing it in Chicago. So whenever they're here, Bobby with Ted and co. or with Wolf Brothers, you can almost always expect him to play it. And okay, you know, that's fine.
uh... it's beautiful to listen to assault really wonderful so we're gonna leave you up today with uh... the grateful dead from thirty one years ago it's not the end of the show but it's deep enough in the show and of the encore liberty is you know one that i just don't get that excited about although we will reach a show eventually we're gonna have to talk about it we will of in the meantime enjoy the days between have a great week stay safe and as always enjoy your cannabis responsibly thanks everyone