Phish Tour Kicks Off: Anticipation and Reflections from the Road Larry Mishkin is excited about the ongoing summer tour of the band Phish, particularly looking forward to their upcoming shows at Alpine Valley and St. Louis. He reflects on a Grateful Dead concert from July 22, 1984, at Ventura County Fairgrounds, sharing personal memories of attending shows in 1984, which was a significant year for him. He discusses the song "Loser" by Jerry Garcia, noting its Americana themes and its history with the Grateful Dead. He praises Garcia's performance at the 1984 show and the song's growling vocals and guitar work.
Phish Tour Kicks Off: Anticipation and Reflections from the Road
Larry Mishkin is excited about the ongoing summer tour of the band Phish, particularly looking forward to their upcoming shows at Alpine Valley and St. Louis. He reflects on a Grateful Dead concert from July 22, 1984, at Ventura County Fairgrounds, sharing personal memories of attending shows in 1984, which was a significant year for him. He discusses the song "Loser" by Jerry Garcia, noting its Americana themes and its history with the Grateful Dead. He praises Garcia's performance at the 1984 show and the song's growling vocals and guitar work.
Larry also talks about the song "Day Job," highlighting its unique history with the Grateful Dead as a song fans petitioned to be dropped from their setlists. He reflects on why the song wasn't popular among fans, comparing it to another song, "Liberty," which he personally didn't favor. Despite this, he appreciates the version performed at the Ventura show for its energy and Jerry's engagement.
In the music world segment, the he provides updates on Phish's summer tour, sharing setlists from recent shows in Mansfield, Massachusetts. He expresses excitement about attending multiple shows and describes how his appreciation for Phish has grown, comparing it to his experience with the Grateful Dead. He anticipates hearing specific songs and is eager to connect with fellow fans.
The show also features a segment on Stanley Jordan, a musician known for his unique guitar style. Jordan shares his journey to creating a project called Stanley Plays the Dead, a tribute to the Grateful Dead. He recounts meeting Phil Lesh and performing with him, which inspired his current project. Jordan's distinctive two-hand tapping technique on guitar is highlighted, along with his diverse musical collaborations over the years.
Grateful Dead
July 22, 1084 (40 years ago)
Ventura County Fairgrounds
Ventura, CA
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Fake Intro for my nephew, Ben Mishkin’s 11th birthday, I will just introduce it as “my podcast”, play the clip and wish him a happy birthday, then we cut back to our normal intro tune and I do a regular introduction. What do you think?
Bennie and the Jets - Elton John - Live in London 1974 HD (youtube.com)
0:08 – 1:18
"Bennie and the Jets" (also titled "Benny & the Jets") is a song written by English musician Elton John and songwriter Bernie Taupin, and performed by John.[3] The song first appeared on the Goodbye Yellow Brick Road album in 1973. "Bennie and the Jets" has been one of John's most popular songs and was performed during his appearance at Live Aid.
The track was a massive hit in the United States and Canada, released in 1974 as an A-side using the spelling "Bennie". In most territories the track was released as the B-side to "Candle in the Wind", using the spelling "Benny". Album artwork (back-cover track listing and center-panel design) consistently lists the song as "Bennie" while either "Bennie" or "Benny" appears on the vinyl album depending on territory. The track was released as an A-side in the UK in 1976, as "Benny and the Jets".
It is ranked number 371 on Rolling Stone's list of The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.
Happy Birthday to my nephew Ben who turns 11 today while at summer camp in the Poconos. Great time to be alive. There with his big sister Lily and lots of good friends while his younger brother Nate has the run of the house! Have a great day big guy.
And now, back to our regularly scheduled show:
Normal house intro music
Great show today from one of the Deadhead’s favorite venues, Ventura County Fairgrounds. Basically on the car racing track and demo derby. View is of the beach and ocean. Shows start in the afternoon, 2 or 3, so no real light show except mother nature and if you are lucky, a beautiful sunset just as the show ends or shortly thereafter. Location of my first show ever and the only time I saw the boys there.
This show is two summers later and finds the Boys cranking along in 1984, a big year for me in terms of shows that included a big chunk of Spring tour, Red Rocks, my first summer tour experience, first Alpine, and first New Years shows. Still found time to graduate from Michigan and start law school.
INTRO: Loser
Track #4
2:40 – 4:20
The song seems covered in the Americana dust of so many songs from this period of Hunter’s and Garcia’s songwriting partnership. Abilene, whether in Texas or Kansas, is a dusty cowtown—at the time in which the song seems to be set, the cattle outnumbered the human inhabitants by a factor of tens. It’s easy to see the scene Hunter so casually sets, of a broken-down gambler in a saloon, with a dirt street outside full of armed cowpokes.
Appearing, as it does, on Garcia (Jan, 1972), the song seems to pair naturally with the other gambling song on the album, “Deal.” It could be sung by the same character on a different day, in fact. And it fits in, as I mentioned, with a whole suite of songs that might be set in the same generic America of the late 19th or early 20th centuries: “Brown-Eyed Women,” “Jack Straw,” “Mister Charlie,” “Tennessee Jed,” “Cumberland Blues,” “Candyman,” and others, as well as certain selected covers, such as “Me and My Uncle,” and “El Paso.”
The crowning glory of the song, as in many other Garcia/Hunter compositions, is the bridge.
The song culminates in this cry of hopefulness: “Last fair deal in the country, Sweet Susie, last fair deal in the town. Put your gold money where your love is, baby, before you let my deal go down—go down.”
(It’s noted that “Sweet Susie” was dropped at some point, but then, occasionally, brought back. I think it was an optional decoration to the line. Alex Allan, in his Grateful Dead Lyric and Song Finder site, notes that “Sweet Susie” rarely appears after 1972, but that it’s sung in performances in 1974 and 1979.)
The version at this show is one of the best I’ve ever heard. Garcia’s voice is growling, his guitar playing spot on, energy bursting out of him. 1984 was a great year for the Dead and this show, and this tune, really epitomize all of it. Almost always a first set tune, usually first part of the set, traded off with Candyman, Must Have Been The Roses, and other first set Jerry ballads.
Played: 353 times
First: February 18, 1971 at Capitol Theatre, Port Chester, NY, USA
Last: June 28, 1995 at the Palace at Auburn Hills, MI (Detroit)
SHOW No. 1: Day Job
Track #8
1:00 – 2:39
Garcia/Hunter “new tune” Never released on any studio recording, appears on Dick’s Picks #6, Hartford Civic Center Oct. 14, 1983 in case you’ve never heard it. It’s claim to fame, per Robert Hunter himself, is that “this song was dropped from the Grateful Dead repertoire at the request of the fans. Seriously.”
I heard it a few times. Not my favorite, but good when Jerry was sharp and rocking like this version. Really one of the best.
Played: 133
First: August 28, 1982 at Oregon Country Fair Site, Veneta, OR, USA
Last: April 4, 1986 at Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, CT, USA
SHOW No. 2: I Just Want To Make Love To You
Track #11
1:27 – 3:10
"I Just Want to Make Love to You" is a blues song written by Willie Dixon. In 1954, it was recorded by Muddy Waters,[2] and released as a single with the title "Just Make Love to Me". The song reached number four on Billboard magazine's R&B Best Sellers chart.[3]
Backing Waters on vocals are Little Walter on harmonica, Jimmy Rogers on guitar, Otis Spann on piano, Willie Dixon on bass, and Fred Below on drums.[1] Waters recorded the song again for the album Electric Mud (1968).
The Rolling Stones covered the song on their 1964 debut album The Rolling Stones.
In 1972, British blues rock group Foghat recorded a studio version for their self-titled debut album in 1972. The song was also released as a single and it became their first single to reach the charts, appearing at No. 83 on the Billboard Hot 100[9] and No. 31 in Australia.[10] An eight-minute version from a 1977 concert performance is included on Foghat Live. It was edited down to 3:56 release as a single, which reached number 33 on the Billboard Hot 100[9] and No. 28 on the RPM Top Singles chart in Canada.
I heard this on Foghat Live and thought it was a Foghat song. Could not believe when I heard the Dead had played it!
Dead played it 4 times: Pig in ‘66
Brent in ‘84
Jerry in ‘95
Times: 4
First: November 29, 1966 at The Matrix, San Francisco, CA, USA
Last: February 21, 1995 at Delta Center, Salt Lake City, UT, USA
SHOW No. 3: Drums
Track #14
7;00 – end
INTO
Space
Track #15
0:00 - :36
SHOW No. 4: Space
Track #15
10:59 – end
INTO
Morning Dew
Track #16
0:00 – 1:28
Birthdays:
Benny
John Gross
OUTRO: Midnight Hour
Track #19
1:42 – 3:27
Larry (01:25.774)
No folks, you do not have to check your dial. This is Larry Mishkin, this is my podcast and that is Benny and the Jets and I'm playing it today to give a great happy birthday shout out to my nephew Ben who turns 11 today while he's at summer camp in the Poconos. 11 years old at summer camp, it's a great time to be alive Ben. He's there with his big sister Lily and lots of good friends while his younger brother Nate
has the run of the house sometimes it's good to be the baby in the family or the youngest as we like to say hey ben have a great day big guy that was benny in the jets just for you the big elton john bernie toppen song released on goodbye yellow brick road in nineteen seventy three was performed during his appearance at live aid among other times was released in seventy fours and a side single using the spelling benny i e
most territories was released as the b -side to candle in the wind spelled b -e -n -n -y you know go figure it works either way and it's a great tune i know that ben my nephew likes it and so this is a great way to get to celebrate his birthday and did not make him have to listen to one of my entire shows to hear where i usually do the birthday shout outs at the back so ben happy birthday the cardinals are rocking can't tell you what the bangles will do this year
But you can never go wrong with Michigan football, Happy birthday to one of my favorite nephews, because I happen to have a few of them who are all great. But Benny's certainly one of them, and he's right there. So I hope you have a great day, pal. And now we're going to go back to our regularly scheduled show. And today on the Deadhead Cannabis Show, brought to you as always from today's sunny, beautiful Chicago, Illinois,
and happy to be here with everybody it's the middle of summer fish summer tour has started and i'm seeing alpine valley shows this coming weekend and then st louis shows next week very very excited about that we'll talk a little about that today i'll be given updates as we go along today we're featuring as always our favorite band the grateful dead from july twenty second nineteen eighty four forty years ago today
Larry (03:45.204)
at one of our favorite venues, Ventura County Fairgrounds in Ventura, California. So this show is two summers later after my first show ever there. When you go to Ventura, it's beautiful. They start the shows at two or three in the afternoon. So there's no real light show except Mother Nature. And if you're really lucky, you get a beautiful sunset over the ocean just as the show ends or shortly thereafter.
This show is from 1984. That's a big year for me in terms of shows, included a big chunk of Spring Tour, Red Rocks, my first summer tour experience, my first Alpine Valley, and my first New Year's Eve. I still found time to graduate from Michigan and start law school. I don't know how, but I did so my parents didn't get totally mad at me. But we're going to go 40 years ago today, and this isn't exactly how they opened the show. We'll get back to that in a second. But this is one of those moments early on in the show that you just can't miss.
Larry (05:52.514)
She's losing,
Larry (06:25.004)
well man Garcia just seems electric there. In the words of David Dodd the song seems to cover seems covered in the Americana dust of so many songs from this period of hunters and Garcia's songwriting partnership Abilene whether in Texas or Kansas is a dusty cow town at the time in which the song seems to be set to cattle outnumber the human inhabitants by a factor of tens it's easy to see the scene hunter so casually sets of broken down gambler in a saloon
with a dirt street outside full of armed cowpokes. Apparing as it does on Garcia, his first solo album from January of 1972, the song seems to pair naturally with the other gambling song on the album deal. It could be sung by the same character on a different day, in fact. And if it's in, as I mentioned, with a whole suite of songs that might be set in the same generic America of the late 19th or earliest 20th centuries, like Brown Eyed Woman, Jack Straw.
Mr. Charlie, Tennessee Jed, Cumberland Blues, Candyman, and others, as well as certain selected covers such as Me and My Uncle and El Paso, the Cowboy Songs. The crowning glory of the song is in many other Garcia Hunter compositions as the bridge. The song culminates in this cry of hopelessness, last fair deal in the country, sweet Suzy, last fair deal in the town, put your gold and money where your love is, before you let my deal go down.
it's noted by the way that sweet susie was dropped at some point but then occasionally brought back it seems like it was optional decoration to the line alex allen and his grateful dead lyric and song finder site notes that sweet susie rarely appeared with the dead played in concert after nineteen seventy two but there were certain performances in seventy four seventy nine where they added it back in it's kind of like shannon in jack straw where you know the name was added but
A lot of times when they sing it in concert, sometimes they mention it, sometimes they don't. Now this version at this show is one of best I've ever heard. Garcia's voice is growling. Every review talks about his growling voice when you know that Jerry's really into it and giving it his all and just getting off on it. His guitar playing is as beautiful as always, just spot on, energy bursting out of him. 1984 was a great year for the dead, and this show and this tune really epitomize all of
Larry (08:49.742)
It's almost always a first set tune. Usually first part of the set traded off a lot with songs like Candyman, Must Have Been the Roses, and other first set Jerry ballads. But just a great, great song that I always love to hear in concert. They played it 353 times. Jerry liked it too. It first played on February 18, 1971 at the Capitol Theater in Port Chester. And we've talked about that show and how many songs we just talked the other day about.
how Bertha was first played at that show and others. was just a real breakout for them with all this new material. Loser was last played on June 28, 1995 at the Palace in Auburn Hills just outside of Detroit. And so unfortunately, I did not get to hear it in my last run of my, in my run of the last four shows in St. Louis and Chicago. Certainly a song that anyone would love to hear at any time.
it's just really that beautiful when it comes to it and just really really fun to hear now let's talk about the show for a minute because it actually did open with dancing in the street excuse me it went right into Bertha now those are great songs and normally i'd probably be opening with those but we just heard dancing in the street we featured Bertha probably in two or three out of the last three or four shows
they because i love it of course be because you know depending on where it pops up there's usually some good story behind it or something that's going on with it but in this case that we also skipped over song number three my brother he saw which was still fairly new at the time i'd heard for the first time back in april of nineteen eighty three when i saw it west virginia morgan town at the university of west virginia and i think we've we've talked about that show before as well
but you know my brother is always kind of you know getting more and more regularly played really kind of coming onto the scene and it's a fun song to if you haven't heard it before it's a fun song because there's so much packed into it in terms of me that you could really talk about a lot but there's something like got nothing like loser and i just i could keep skipping down the line of songs there and and settled on loser is an opener just because of how beautiful it is how much fun is to listen to how great is as we say
Larry (11:11.04)
at this particular show. And now we're going to dive into the next tune, is kind of ironic because it finds itself at the opposite end of the spectrum.
Larry (13:03.148)
man day job has a strange history with the grateful that and i find it all kind of humorous and and and rather amusing it's a garcia hunter quote -unquote new tune right that they started playing in eighty two it was never released on any studio recording it does actually appear on dick's pics number six a great show from the harvick harv
Hartford Civic Center on October 14th, 1983, which was a continuation of that tour where the garden a few nights before Madison Square Garden, had broken out St. Stephen. They then played it again at Hartford, I think, the night after this. And one more time in San Francisco before they dropped it. But I love the fact that Dick picked the song very early on in the process. And he did for a lot of other reasons. It's one of my favorite Scarlet fires.
it's just a killer killer show all the way around but this one has day job closing out the first set of the other particular dicks picks i like day job but you know it's it's not my favorite grateful dead tune but there's a lot of tunes they play that aren't my favorite grateful dead tunes you know we've like talk about a song like little red rooster but like little red rooster when you jerry's play it like he is in this show
He's just cranking away on it. He's got some good jams going. Everybody is joining in on the singing. But here's the thing. It's claimed to fame per Robert Hunter himself is that quote, this son was dropped from the Grateful Dead repertoire at the request of the fans. Seriously, close quote. Yeah, the story always was that the deadheads didn't like it.
you know, maybe it was because it was raining on their parade, you know, they all had day jobs and none of them really liked it very much. They all wanted to find ways to make lots of money and just go on tour forever. You know, here's Garcia kind of harshing that mellow, right, saying, no, no, you got to keep your day job. But, you know, the song itself wasn't a terrible song. Now sometimes, you know, they would go out there and if Jerry was less than enthused, you know, they might kind of muddle through it. A lot of times it would pop up as a first set closer like it does at this show.
Larry (15:14.034)
and as a result you know it it it it kinda suffered that fate that you know set closers other than like deal in a few you know music never stopped and stuff like that you heard those you was a set closer but you didn't care you know this would you hear it you know it's a set closer and maybe that kind of took you know some of the steam out of it but you know this version i think just absolutely rocks jerry's on top of it lyrically the boys are all jamming away
And you know, look, to say that of all the Grateful Dead songs that are out there that might not be popular, that this is the one song, I'll say something which I know is very unpopular with the David Gans crowd and all those folks. I was never a big fan of Liberty. And I always kind of looked at Liberty almost as a sellout, lyrically speaking. And I know there's a story behind it. I just never really was interested in it.
it was one of those songs that didn't speak to me i respect other people who like the song i would never quibble with anybody necessarily who says that it's you know it's a killer tune but i think i can fairly speak for my group of deadhead friends when i say liberty was never a song that we were aspiring to hear when we went to a concert but you know they played it yet dealt with it you know i think straight up i'd rather hear day job you know if i'm gonna hear one of the other
This is just a, you know, almost like an Alabama getaway type, you know, quick short tune, just a rocker all the way through. you know, and like I say, if Jerry's, if Jerry's jamming, he's jamming and, you know, listen to this show, download it and listen to the show and check out this day job. you know, go back and listen to other versions of it if you want, you know, try Dix Picks number six from Hartford. And, I think that you'll find that, you know, it may not be, like I say,
the deepest grateful dead song, most rockinist great rockinist is that a word? don't know. Grateful dead song. But you know, mean, whatever. It does its job and that's the one that the dead voted off the island. So I mean, I can't tell you that I missed it. But it is a very good story and it's really kind of funny. But you know, mean, they listen to the fans on that. when they sent them petitions year after year to play Cosmic Charlie,
Larry (17:30.808)
they could be bothered with that so you know maybe the boys didn't like it either they they just didn't have any trouble pulling it out either way they played a hundred and thirty three times but first appeared on august twenty eighth nineteen eighty two at the oregon county fair site in veneta basically ten years after the famous creamery show there in nineteen seventy two and then it was last played on april fourth nineteen eighty six the hard for civic center in hard for connecticut so you know if you look at that that's not died
that's not the dicks picks number six we were just talking about that's two years after that but hard for certainly seem to get their share of it and i have to say just i i i can't tell you that i recall there being a you know any big thing like the dead say well we we know you guys don't like it we're gonna play it one last time for you here or anything like that i guess they just played and never really talked about it again and you know somewhere along the way when people want to know what happened hunter puts out his quote you know
there you go so yeah it's it's all very interesting times and there's day job for you at the end of the first set of of this really good show they'd come out of loser into really strong cassidy ramble on rose hell in a bucket which was also a quote unquote new song of the time and that came out in the dark three years later in nineteen eighty seven
So we've talked about even a song like Touch of Grey being performed as early as 1982. So a lot of those songs from that album were getting extensive airplay. And they did pull out a hell of a bucket here, leading into Day Jab to close out the set. it's a great set. was a great opening hour plus of music. And once you're in Ventura and you're out there and you get to the set break and you stop and you look around for a minute
you're kind of on the infield of this dirt track for car racing and stuff but know you you look past it there's the stage and past the stage you can see the beach and past the beach you can kind of see the ocean and you get a nice mist off of the ocean and just what a wonderful place to be all the way around and very very cool well we are now going to head into that portion of our show
Larry (19:47.348)
where we talk about what's going on in the music world and before we do that we got Dan Humiston, our wonderful producer who's got some musical leanin' for us. Go Dan.
Larry (20:17.486)
It's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll. A song by rock band ACDC, the first track of group's second album, TNT, released only in Australia and New Zealand on December 8th, 1975. It's written by Angus Young, his brother Malcolm Young, and long since departed lead singer, Bon Scott. The song combines bagpipes with hard rock instruments. In the middle section of the song, there is a call and response between the bagpipes and the guitar, the original recording.
is in B flat major but it was played live in A major. I don't really know what any of that means but it's there so I like to talk about it. Record World says that it shows a firm grasp on rock dynamics and sounds like a cross between the Stones and the Easy Beats. The song is also the first track on the internationally released High Voltages in April of 1976. This was a signature song for Bon Scott, Brian Johnson who replaced Scott as the ACDC's lead vocalist after Scott's death in 1980. Does not perform it.
out of respect for his predecessor course you know that they were all coming in acdc was coming to the vote during my high school years in the late nineteen seventies and then in early nineteen eighties freshman year everyone had back in black good buddy herald who we've talked about on the show had a roommate whose name is long since forgotten but i do remember that he was from wall lake michigan and his idea of a way to mellow out was to put on back in black pretty much at full volume as i was going over to visit herald in his dorm room
you know as i was walking down the hall i could hear it the album or the song or all the blasting by the time you got into the room it really was just not headache -inducing but really really loud but that was a cdc and thank you dad that's a a great song for us to kick off our musical side of our show today and let's start off by talking about the fact that fish is back
their summer tour kicked off this past Saturday night in Mansfield, Massachusetts and It's a at the Xfinity Center for those of you who know it or who were there they love playing in Mansfield they play there quite a bit and It was a great great show that they actually opened up the summer tour on Friday night And just really don't think I'm not following the tour lists now since I've seen them this weekend
Larry (22:41.678)
The tour opener was buried alive With a quick character zero. Hey stranger down with disease Roguing into NICU. Of course one of my faves stash another fave 46 days Set to a Susie Greenberg run like an antelope ghost light pillow jets beneath the sea of stars part one Closed out with split open and melt And Harry could encore and that for me
is a really solid fish show. Nothing particularly fancy, at least from my perspective sitting here, I'm sure that if you were there, some of the stuff that they played was probably just really killer and people are talking about one or two of the songs. Maybe I haven't had a chance to talk. I don't know anybody who was there yet. But it looks good. then the show from Saturday night, last night as I'm sitting here, yesterday from you listening to it on Monday, they open with theme from the bottom, back on the train.
That's a dynamite bouncing around the room backwards down the number line so far every great tune human nature It's ice wolf man's brother drift while you're sleeping That's a solid set set two with a great yam to start it off into oblivion. No men and no man's land monsters 2001 Chuckdust torture to close out the set again another solid set and a great encore of a three song encore when the circus comes love that
the Los Lobos tune, David Bowie, a great song, and Say It To Me Santos from one of the, I don't know if that was the superhero album from Halloween or from the Swedish rock band, but one of those tunes that's hung in there and become a favorite of the fans. The Human Nature was the first time it was ever played.
They just are coming out and really rocking it. And I'm very excited because I am going to be up there this weekend on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, Friday and Saturday with my son Jonathan. Looking forward to hanging out with him and having some fun at Fish. And Sunday, driving up there with good buddy Kevin, who's my son Matthew's good friend, who I've now gotten to go to see a lot of shows with because he's around and he likes to go see him and he loves to drive. And I hate driving when I go to shows.
Larry (25:03.374)
It all works out, it's a lot of fun. You'll hear me next week's episode probably only being able to talk about the Friday and Saturday night shows because we'll tape on Sunday so it's ready to go on Monday. And then the following week I'll catch up with the Sunday show and the two St. Louis shows which will be old news by that point for fish heads and people who are following it. But I'll offer my two cents worth as a coming of age fish fan if you will. This will be my first fish tour.
kind of a man i'm really only going to three places alpine st louis and that my degree in in dover in in august but seeing that shows so it you know it feels like you know the the fight when i went to with the dad you know i was be lucky if i saw a turn on shows i was never a guy who you know what from start to finish and picked up twelve or fourteen shows in a in a single swing but you know i've i've really taken a liking to the band got to the point where i don't know the songs well enough
that i can look down set lists and say i haven't heard this one i haven't heard this one and you know what i learned with the grateful that is you could go to see them every three nights when they come to chicago but that doesn't mean that you won't see repeated songs it doesn't mean that you'll see the songs you're trying to catch and when you're really chasing a song you know the only way to really improve your odds is just to go to as many shows in a row or as many shows on a tour as you can and hope that you do you even though they don't plan on the one night you don't go
So I'd love to see Farmhouse. I'd love to see Bug. There's so many tunes out there that I've really come to enjoy by the band. And some that I know I've heard already, but I really want to hear again now that I really know them. I mean, I've heard Sand It a few times, but I like it more and more every time I see it. Just a fun tune. I've really taken a liking to Down With Disease and Bathtub Gin.
And you know now that I hear them and I know them and I'm much more familiar with them You know it's always fun, and I know I'm you know kind of getting jaded because now I can sit there and say Yeah, that's from the news album of you know oblivion or whatever you know that that yeah, that's you know and
Larry (27:17.992)
That's the part that comes along with getting to know a band so well that you know what you want to hear. And so when they don't always play what you want to hear, you have to get over the very initial disappointment and settle in to the good jam that you know you're ultimately going to get. And the one thing that Phish never does is disappoint. And they always will get that good jam going. And as I say, so excited to be able to see it. And really looking forward to being there. So I will be reporting more on Phish next week's show.
I will hopefully bump into people up at Fish in Alpine Valley who listen to the podcast. If not, damn it, get out and tell your friends who are going to Fish to listen to the podcast, because we will talk about those shows and we will have some fun with it. So nothing that you really want to miss if you can avoid it, because it's just really too much fun all the way around. So we start off with that. Now the next
musical story and this is fun. know, there's one of the things that Phil and Bobby and you know the boys who are playing have done is whenever they can they surround themselves with just amazing musicians. of the quintet, right? And just how incredible that is with Jerry McJimmy -Haring and Warren Haynes and John Molo and Barakko, Rob Barakko. I just, you know, exceptionally talented musicians
you know Bobby bringing in you know just all sorts of Great players to play with him Whether it's Rick Mitrotondo from goose or you know, whoever else they get, you know to come up on stage with them And so you really like really love it when I get a chance to hear What some of these guys have to say about having an opportunity? To play with the Grateful Dead and one of them
who I'm, I can't say that I'm a big fan of, a musician whose output I really, really enjoy is Stanley Jordan. He says it's been a long time coming of his new project, Stanley Plays the Dead, which just debuted not too long ago. And he says, have friends who are deadheads who had been telling me for years that I should do Grateful Dead music. Going all the way back to the 80s, people were almost badgering me about it. I always said, not just yet, but I will.
Larry (29:44.59)
I felt kind of intimidated like, man, it's such a big song book. It would be such an intensive learning curve. I already had a lot of respect for that music, and I thought, it's a great idea, and maybe someday I'll feel confident. Then when the thing with Phil happened, it just sort of fell into place, but the seed had been planted for a long time. The guitarist has been a rotating member of the Phil Lesh and Friends Repertory Company. Love that.
Ever since a serendipitous meeting in Princeton University in 2012, Jordan, class of 1981, there you go, Stanley Jordan, class of 1981, Princeton University, love that, had returned to the school for a reunion while the bass player was there to celebrate the graduation of his son, Brian. Jordan recalls, was with some friends and somebody said, hey, did you know Phil Lesh is playing at Terrace Club tonight? I couldn't believe it because I'd lived at Terrace Club for my last two years in college.
and their dressing room was in fact my old dorm room. So I went over there during the sound check and one of the musicians recognized me and said, hey Stanley, what are you doing here? I said, I used to live here. What are you doing here? And then he said, let me introduce you to Phil. The next thing you know, I ended up sitting in for almost their whole performance that night. Over the intervening years, Jordan has performed with Lesh on both coasts, from Terrapin Crossroads to the Capitol Theater. He brings his unique touch technique to this setting.
whereby rather than strumming and picking, he utilizes a form of two -hand tapping inspired by his early piano training. It gives him freedom to play melody and chords simultaneously, which expands his tonal palette. This innovative approach also hints at the wide range of his musical interests. In 1985, Blue Note issued Jordan's debut album, Magic Touch, which topped the Billboard Jazz chart for 51 weeks. Over the course of his career, he's performed with numerous celebrity artists like Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie,
Herbie Hancock, Stanley Clark, and Billy Cobham. However, he has also worked with Kenny Rogers, Dionne Warwick, and Dave Matthews, and others in the pop and rock music scene. In addition to his jazz gigs, Jordan tours with his Stanley Plays Jimmy project and is beginning to ramp up his dates with Stanley Plays The Dead, which include drummer Kenwood Dennard, Jaco Pistorius Quincy, who's played with Jaco Pistorius Quincy Jones, and Pat Martino.
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bassist Greg Korner who's played with Vince Weldek and Jen Treadley and keyboard player guitarist Jesse Hyatt who's played with Cedric Burnside. He also has deep roots in the jam scene. On September 10th, 21, he took the stage at Wetlands Preserves during a late night project. Logic's done alongside Mike Gordon and Warren Haynes that ended just hours before the 9 -11 attacks. He remembers, was pretty frequent person at Wetlands. It was one of my favorite venues in New York.
When I heard that Wetlands was closing, was determined to get in there and play one last show, although it wasn't supposed to be the very last one. I measure everything, including history by music, so for me, this was the last jam of the age of innocence. And it's really kind of a heavy -team thing to say. It goes on to say, every time the dead performed, word would get around and people would be talking about it. I was a bit young at the time, and I didn't see any of shows when I was a kid, but they were an important part of the scene. People would describe the show with the whole happening that was really formative for me.
They'd say, man, they came back and they did this space thing and then they just went on and on. It was so trippy and the music just kept getting deeper and deeper. For me at the time, it was the same with jazz too. The whole purpose of the music wasn't just to entertain or to garner good reviews or to sell. The purpose of music was to change people's consciousness. There was a feeling that the music was part of our spiritual education or growth. And I can really just go on and on and on about this guy because there's just,
so many cool things written about him. But it's just nice to have a chance to hear him, to see what Stanley Jordan has to say about playing some of this type of music, and a guy who really made his chops and his mark in a different genre, although we've talked about improvisation as improvisation. And you just ask Branford Marcellus, who sat in with the boys and cranked out.
maybe the the best eyes in the world ever maybe the best version of any grateful stead song ever played ever just you know these guys are natural musicians and and and understand you know this type of instrumentation and improvisation and i have to say unfortunately i've never seen stanley jordan play with phil lesh i've listened to it a little bit but would actually
Larry (34:23.638)
love to really see that and just try to take advantage of the most as much as possible not only a phil with whatever time he has left but all these guys out there who are willing to go and show up and play with him just because it's chance to play with phil or somebody in the grateful dad and that's that's pretty wild that's pretty intense now i'm thinking of the grateful dad and wild and intense stuff here's something that i have to give credit to my good friend deanie
dvd's been a good good friend for over forty years way back in university michigan days and part of my very early explorational party crew i was the one exploring they were already kind of that whole crew and those with me that my first dead shows a lot of my dead shows and we're happy to be having dinner saturday night with her husband sam and she said hell by the way did you happen to hear that the grateful dad
are among the 2024 Kennedy Center honorees with Bonnie Raitt and Francis Ford Coppola and some other really cool kind of people and I had no idea and my wife very quickly pulled it up on her phone and we all read about it and it turns out the 2024 Kennedy Center honors will feature a mix of the psychedelic and the soulful with a touch of jazz on the music side. The John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts announced the selection for this year's 47th annual
Kennedy Center Honors for Lifetime Artistic Achievement on this past Thursday. A list that includes director Francis Ford Coppola from Apocalypse Now and The Godfather, Jam Godfather's The Grateful Dead, blues singer, guitarist Bonnie Raitt, jazz trumpeter, pianist, composer Arturo Sandoval. And in a first, the Apollo Theater in Harlem as a special honor because of its status as an iconic American
institution. Now that's cool, recognizing a theater for performing arts honor. it's really a recognition of all the amazing music that was first played and went down at the Apollo Theater in Harlem that eventually kind of moved over, if you will, to the white side of the tracks. And it can be said that oftentimes there's not a lot of credit given to the early musicians
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we're playing the Apollo Theater and really creating this music and bringing it to life and eventually playing it so well that their white counterparts and their British counterparts and people all over the musical world would hear it and just everything from Motown to the blues to whatever kind of music would go down, rock and roll and everything. was just a tremendous, tremendous theater and one that did
still holds, I think, a special place, not only in the hearts of New Yorkers, but music fans everywhere. So that is very, very cool that they're doing that. The Kennedy Center Honors recognizes artists and locations that have made extraordinary impact on the cultural life on our nation and continue to have an immeasurable influence on new generations, said Kennedy Center Chairman David Rubenstein in a statement about the event that will take place in Washington, DC on December 8th this year.
It will air on CBS and later stream on Paramount Plus. Rubenstein continued, he's had a brilliant and masterful tour, storyteller with an unrelenting innovative spirit. Francis Ford Coppola's films have become embedded in the very idea of American culture. A social and cultural phenomenon since 1965, the Grateful Dead's music has never stopped being a true American original, while inspiring a fan culture like no other.
Bonnie Raitt has made us love her again and again with her inimitable voice, slide guitar and endless musical range encompassing blues, rock and roll, country rock and folk. And then an ambassador of both music and humanity, Arturo Sandoval, transcended literal borders coming from Cuba 30 plus years ago and today continues to bridge cultures with his intoxicating blend of Afro -Cuban rhythms and modern jazz and on its 90th anniversary.
The Apollo, one of the most consequential, influential institutions in history, has elevated the voice of black entertainment in New York, nationally and around the world, and launched the careers of a legion of artists. And it's just absolutely incredible. The dead's living members, Mickey Hart, Bill Kreutzman, Phil Lesh, and Bob Weir, course, were equally effusive in their excitement about receiving one of the nation's highest artistic honors.
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It goes without saying that the Kennedy Center Honors represents the highest of reaches for an artistic achievement," they wrote in a joint statement. To be recognized alongside the artists who have in the past received this honor is beyond humbling. The Grateful Dead has always been about community, creativity, and exploration in music and presentation. We've always felt that the music we make embodies and imparts something beyond the notes and phrases being played, and that is something we are privileged to share with all who are drawn to what we do.
And so it must also be said that our music belongs as much to our fans, the Deadheads, as it does to us. This honor then is as much their honor as ours. And they went on to say, from our earliest days in San Francisco, and as far as our tours have taken us, it has been and still is an incredible ride. We've had the opportunity to play with many talented musicians, interact with many gifted people, and be part of something much larger than ourselves.
Our music has always been about exploration and breaking through or finding our way around barriers, not just musically, but also in bringing people together. The energy, the love, the connection and the sharing, once again, that's what it's all about. As we enter our 60th year of the Grateful Dead's journey in 2025, wow, we're beyond grateful for this recognition and for the journey we are on together. This honor reminds us of all those moments of the people who helped us along the way.
Thank you, Kennedy Center, and to all the folks who have had a hand in bringing us here for this absolutely incredible honor. I don't know, it kind of gives me the chills a little bit, right? Because I know the Grateful Dead are amazing, and I know that the Grateful Dead have contributed so much to American music scene. And I've heard all the musicians who have talked about it, but there's a lot of people out there who
and there's a lot of people out there who are only maybe vaguely familiar with the Grateful Dead and maybe their vague familiarity is one of them. They were kind of funny when they'd come to town or maybe it's one of all they're a bunch of drug user hippie Rush Limbaugh kind of approaches to it all who just reject it as a cultural thing and as a musical thing and think they all need showers and baths and stop doing all their drugs or whatever. But this is huge. This is the Kennedy Center Honors. You just look at the other people who are being named with them. This isn't like
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write some small musical organization deciding we're gonna honor the Grateful Dead. The list of people who've got this award is long, it is amazing. And some of the most epic entertainers and musicians who have ever played. And for the Grateful Dead to be included in that group is just absolute in terms of, it amazes me and it makes me so proud to see that the mainstream, the squares, the regulars of society.
recognizes the state guide that they're getting the other while at least the core four are still around you know yes it would have been amazing for jerry to be there but thirty years ago i don't think the kennedy center honors was ready dot or the grateful dad but i think it's been the legacy of jerry and you know how thirty years after jerry's death they still remains so relevant in the music scene they still have such a large following of people
the will crowd to stadiums to see the core for what they play together crowds of people that will flock everywhere to you know from that your local theaters all the way out to the sphere to see dead in co -ed it to have a chance to see bob we're in and mickey heart still playing who will go to see fill in friends the and we all hope you know maybe they'll come a day when with the core for can show up on stage yet again and if that will have all of our memories of it and those are going anywhere and they are
just a wonderful example of the Grateful Dead of music that's been passed down and passed down 60 years later. When I first started seeing them in 1982, 60 years before, would have been 1922. And I can't think of a whole lot of music other than actually some of these black blues tunes and other tunes that we've talked about that we're going to talk about again in a few minutes that the dead have kind of
deep reach deep down into the musical history books and pulled out to play. I suppose in that respect, we've seen it like that. But not any one particular band. The Beatles have always been talked about being forever. And they're only a couple of years older than the Grateful Dead. And yes, they're still very well known. But the Beatles were very, very mainstream. The Grateful Dead never was mainstream, at least not until 1987 onward and the whole touch of Grey Revolution and all of that.
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You know when they finally did actually begin to garner crowds that you know were comparable to the Beatles You know huge gigantic stadium selling out with people who wanted to see them the soldier field selling out for three nights Levi Stadium for two nights for the Fair the Well shows in 2015 with so many of the people in the crowd never having seen the Grateful Dead and Jerry Garcia, but so badly wanting to be part of the experience and wanting to see it
you know the absence of jerry wasn't enough to stop them and i think that's a credit to the band and a credit to all the guys in the band and a credit to the legacy that jerry built and everything in it did this just means a lot to me i know it means a lot to my my fellow deadhead friends and colleagues thank you again to dvd for being spot on that sharing it with me and you know she understands what it means and just a wonderful thing that we all be talking about
for a very long time so way to go grateful dad congratulations on an honor that's well deserved and I won't say long overdue but certainly nice to see it just as an aside I have to mention of course Bonnie Raitt and how amazing she is and how wonderful it is to see that she first as a rocker but also as a woman rocker and a woman who's so adept at so many different styles of rock and roll and when she plays slide guitar
You know, she's just amazing. I love listening to her play guitar. I love listening to her and seeing her in concert And she sees I don't want to necessarily use the word distinguished But she just has a presence on stage as somebody who's like I've done this forever I own this stage not in a showy way in a way of confidence in a way of just stepping out there and you know taking a crowd of people to the highs and the lows of music and everything in between
you know just the wonderful songs that she sings angel from montgomery how you know there's no dry in the house when body rate is going through that too and how many people she's inspired rock and rollers men women everyone and she is somebody who is also so deeply deserving of this honor and i can't say that i was familiar with our to roast on the wall but i'm sure that his accomplishments certainly put him in this crowd in good company
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and and of course france's for its coppola a big fan of his movies and love the godfather certainly the first two you know third one was what it was but you know it's the the the the the weakness of the third one is not enough to take away the power of the first two and i think it goes without saying the godfather two has to be the greatest sequel of any movie anywhere anytime it's a it's a sequel that not only
lived up to the hype and rave reviews of the first one, but in many people's opinion actually passed it, which is hard to do because the Godfather original movie is such a great piece of art and wonderful movie. And I remember when it came out in 1970 or 71, and movie theaters were still big, regular -sized movie theaters, not chopped up into a bunch of small ones. The Creve Court Movie Theater in St. Louis, right down the street from where my folks lived, we'd drive down the street to go somewhere on a Saturday
My folks would be taking us out to dinner or whatever. And we drive by the theater, and you could see lines of people completely around the building, waiting to get in to see the Godfather. And when I finally saw it, I understood why. So Francis Ford Coppola, very deserving of the honor as well. And that's just great things to see. So very excited about that. But I think we need to dip back into our show now. And we're going to go back again 40 years. And the song we're going to play now,
There's a great story behind it, you know, it was a learning moment for me, and I just think this is something wonderful about the Grateful Dead and wish to God that I had been there to hear this tune.
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I just want to make love to you is a blues song written by Willie Dixon in 1954 it was recorded by Muddy Waters and released as a single with the title Just make love to me the song reached number four on Billboard magazine's R &B bestsellers chart backing waters on vocals are little Wallace on harmonica Jimmy Rogers on guitar Otis Spann on piano Willie Dixon on bass and Fred below on drums
Waters recorded the song again for the album Electric Mud in 1968. The Rolling Stones covered the song on their 1964 debut album, The Rolling Stones. But now here's where it gets interesting for me. 1972, British blues rock group Foghat recorded a studio version for their self -titled debut album in 1972. The song was released as a single and became their first single to reach the charts, appearing at number 83 on the Billboard Hot 100.
and number thirty one in australia and eight -minute version from a nineteen seventy seven concert performance is included on fog hat live was edited down to three fifty six remit fifty six seconds releases a single which reached number thirty three of the billboard hot one hundred and number twenty eight all the r p top singles chart in canada i never knew who willy dixon was when i was younger you know fifteen or sixteen i didn't know jimmy rotter's
Jimmy Rogers, didn't know little Walter, I did know the Rolling Stones, but I certainly didn't know the Rolling Stones well enough to their back catalog to know what a blues band they were originally and how many of their tunes early on were covers of just great blues tunes like this one and Little Red Rooster and I'm a Manish Boy and on and on just these amazing tunes that Keith Richards was a big blues fan when they'd come to Chicago and
they go to the south side to the checkerboard lounge and other famous blues joints and so the fact that the rolling stones played it is not all that surprising not necessarily to the take you've carried on over the years with but certainly one even they recognize as being a good to the way back to the day but it's fog hat for me foggy alive was one of the very first live albums that i had you know that was of
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the newer generation i don't know which which hard rock live albums i had in the mid nineteen seventies i may have had to get your yada yada's out by that point and a couple of others but not many but foghat live was like one of the first time they really felt the energy of live music coming at you through a radio or you know through my own stereo at home when i put it on
it opens up with the song fool for the city that just comes out blazing was a song that i always liked it even when they put out on their one of their albums of the guy sitting there on the city street at a manhole with a manhole cover off with a fishing line going down into the down into the manhole and i just wanted i just thought that there was so funny such a great cover and album cover and and then they come out they just blast through that tune
full for the city is just wonderful and i'd listen to the whole rest of the other that's the first time i'd ever heard i just want to make love to you along with slow ride was on that album and a couple of other just really really great rocket numbers you know for a kid who's fifteen sixteen years old in the mid nineteen seventies and know searching for a sound that you know kind of speaks to me at that age
and that was definitely it. mean, that was just one of those songs for while. I saw Fog Hat live in concert in St. Louis once and just had a great time with that. They came in and I'm trying to remember who their opener was because it was another really good band at the time. But Fog Hat was just wonderful to see and I thought this was their tune. Now I had been to Ventura in 82 for my first shows. I hadn't been back since then, but I would pick up word of, there was
no website you can go into to find out what songs the band had been playing, so the only way to find out was ultimately through word of mouth. And somewhere along the way, I remember hearing that the 1984 Ventura County Fairgrounds run that on the Sunday night show that they had played I Just Wanna Make Love to You, and I thought, oh my god, the dad are covering a fog hat tune? And I just couldn't believe it.
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and then of course i then went on to learn somebody told me it may have even been alex who the hell knows that was in fact a willie dixon tune and that was a real monumental moment for me because was one of those times one of the first times where i really began to realize that just because somebody was seeing a song i didn't necessarily mean they were the composer and i i can't tell you early on i spent a lot of time you know pouring over record labels and all the information that would come with it like that i was just you know really getting into the tunes and
and learning them and trying to learn the lyrics and things like that. And finding out it was a Willie Dixon tune pulled me into Willie Dixon. And all of sudden I realized, boy, the Grateful Dead play a lot of Willie Dixon tunes. And it just was one of these great realizations along the way and something about the dead that ultimately turned me on to so much more music and gave me such a better understanding of the foundation on which so much rock and roll from the Rolling Stones through tunes that the Who would play.
that eric claptin would play that all sorts of bands you know we're picking up on it would play including the grateful dead and you know to me that's really special cuz that is kind of a handing over the torch and you know if we had the type of mass media we have now you know back in the day who's to say that you know willie dixon would have been you know as well known as as as you know still to this day
as as other musicians who have been able to be successful in multiple generations. certainly Muddy Waters is a voice and a talent that will live on for a long, time. But there's so many of these other musicians that have come through and it's the fact that if Keith Richards wants to play Willie Dixon's tune, that's a good thing for Willie Dixon. If they want to cover Chuck Berry, it's a good thing for Chuck Berry because he keeps their tunes relevant and introduces them
to a whole new generation of fans. And I just think that's wonderful. And hopefully this type of music will go on for generations and generations. And people will always recognize it as timeless and just absolutely beautifully created music. I just want to make love to you. heard that. And I just thought this was great. Now we're going to go into the next thing here. And last week we spent a little bit of time on space.
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and you know that kind of inspired me because i i tend to blow past the drums in space when i'm doing the show because usually it's just runs in space which isn't a bad thing it even the most routine drums in space if you're on the right stuff it's the right night it's the right mood you know drums could be the highlight of the show or space could but this one we got a little drums into space and i think it's very cool so let's listen to it and i'll talk about
Larry (58:38.414)
so all the sudden like I said I'm really getting into this stuff and this is a really cool drum segment the first four minutes which we were not listening to are you know what I would say fairly normal percussion sounds the kind of music that we got used to hearing during the drums segment of a show then the last eight minutes though are all the same sound that we were just listening to being played over and over this beat that just kept going on and on that sounded
almost the same all the way through in the show comments folks are calling it indian drums but i cannot say you know really if that's if that's what they're just calling it if it's based on some drum knowledge you know or or you know understanding of drum style which i'd i do not possess but i can tell you it's a very very cool sound and even though it kinda kept repeating it's not the kind of thing that gets boring it's kind of thing restart listening to it it's like it's pleasant to listen to it's kind of
energetic and lively to listen to and you can even hear the crowd in there as they start to get to the end of the drums and ready to go into the space give them a nice shout out and What I like about the transition is that usually you know at my you know recollections are that they would play the drums and then kind of end with a boom boom boom and then Jerry Bobby Phil one or all of them would would start to walk out on stage and and start cranking out their space sounds
and then sometimes the drummers would carry on a little bit but a lot of times they would just walk off but this one even as the boys are walking on stage and getting ready to do their thing the drummers just keep the beat of this Indian drums well into space and the rest of the guys just do their space jamming around it. It's very cool and the effect on the space is noticeable and makes it that much more memorable when comparing it however many drum segments you may have witnessed in your life.
you know just to hear this i think it is so cool and i like the way that they do that you have that so that's going on there that that sounds like a show fire rams horn being blown and you know i could just see being down there you know just off the beach invent or a hopefully catch a little miss from the ocean if it's a warm day and you know just here in the boys up there cranked away bob
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Mickey and Billy being as creative as they always are and then incorporating the rest of the guys to kind of create this seamless transition to really kind of keep the groove and the beat going and what a wonderful thing it is. Now before we continue with that mode because we're not done with space at this show, we are going to flip over for a minute and we're going to do a little bit of some cannabis news.
Dan, what have you got for us in that regard?
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Dan as always comes up with the right kind of a tune. 30 Days in the Hole is a song by the English rock band Humble Pie. It was released in late 1972 as was composed by the band's guitarist singer Steve Marriott for the group's fifth album Smokin', which also came out in 1972. The song received minor airplay at the time but failed to chart. However, it gained a following.
on album -oriented rock and classic rock radio formats and consequently remains one of Humble Pie's best -known tunes. The song, when Marriott wrote it, bemoans being arrested for possession of small quantities of illegal drugs, including cocaine, Durban poison, which is a very potent strain of marijuana, and red Lebanese and black Nepalese hashish. Newcastle Brown is often mistaken as a reference to Newcastle Brown Ale, but actually refers to heroin
also known as Brown or Smack. There are several drug and alcohol references in the song and that's what it is. Not always popular necessarily on AM radio, but on the other hand, I think that a lot of people who ran the radio stations at that time, certainly AM radio, were not as inclined to really understand the nature of the lyrics. In them, it's just a song that has a good beat and good lyrics and good sound.
i fell in love with the song performed live by Taj Mahal on an album he put out of live tunes it's just absolutely out of this world and really really love this a lot just a lot of fun all the way around so as always Dan nice selection and that's a lot of fun so thank you for that got a lot of stuff to talk about in the marijuana mood news today
And as always, it's kind of across the board. So let's start off on the positive. And because we're going to need this in a few minutes when we listen to what people have to say about marijuana, more than one in five patients who go to orthopedic surgeons with chronic musculoskeletal pain are using or have used some form of cannabis to manage their pain, according to a new study published this month.
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Of those, almost two -thirds said they felt that cannabis was very or somewhat effective, while more than nine in 10 said it was at least slightly effective. More than half, 57%, claimed cannabis to be more effective than other analgesic medications, and 40 % reported decreasing their use of other analgesic medications since starting cannabis use. The research found, adding that only 26 % reported a doctor recommended cannabinoid to them
to treat their musculoskeletal pain. Notably, among those who said they used cannabis to manage pain, the most commonly used cannabinoid was CBD, 39%, followed by a hybrid of multiple cannabinoids, 20%, almost a quarter, 23%, said they were unaware of the composition of the cannabis that they were using to manage their pain. Furthermore, among patients who are not cannabis users, roughly two -thirds said they were interested in using marijuana to manage their pain.
but reported barriers to such as a lack of knowledge regarding access, use, and evidence, stigma, although stigma was contrary to previous research, not a primary concern. The paper published in the Journal of Cannabis Research didn't seek to definitively determine whether marijuana effectively managed musculoskeletal pain symptoms. Future double -blind placebo -controlled trials are required.
do that, it says, but instead intended to examine use and self -reported efficacy as well as potential obstacles to use among patients who are non -users. The study was co -authored by six researchers from the University of Health Network Sunnybrook Health Sciences Center in Toronto, Canada. The 629 participants were adults 18 and older with chronic musculoskeletal pain who were visiting the orthopedic clinic at Toronto Western Hospital University Health Network
for a first -time consultation with an orthopedic surgeon. So here, know, is another story, another medical study being performed. And they admit that there's limits on the complete knowledge and the results that they have. The double -blind studies and other things are still going to be required.
Larry (01:06:32.696)
But this is a study that they're publishing that says that cannabis is more effective in treating musculoskeletal pain than traditional medications are. And they're basing this on what patients say. So whether a lab can go back and back all this up later on, or double -blind, triple -blind, placebos, or whatever they think they want to do, it works. It's a positive.
right schedule one it's on schedule one because no no health benefits and every week every other week we find new studies that extol yet another health benefit that we are learning is provided by cannabis is that even so much that we were learning because people who smoke marijuana like me for a long time we're using it too to deal with symptoms you know in my case a lot of health issues have always gut health issues and
you know, GI and stuff like that. For years, marijuana has been the difference in me being able to get up and move around and do things as opposed to being in bed or stuck running to the bathroom frequently or even having an appetite to be able to eat if my stomach was in a particularly bad way or really bothering me. early on, I couldn't talk to any of the doctors about it. And then my internist for however long,
at least thirty years if not more has always know that i've smoked marijuana and his attitude is you know he would never do it necessarily but he's a big believer in things that work and if it works for me you know he never saw a problem with it my g i guy who never quite wanted to really give a lot of credit to it now has come around to the point of acknowledging that you know there is some efficacy to attend although he's still a little more old school
than others he it may be sometimes teases me about a little bit of his ever told me to stop or never said don't do that it's gonna hurt you and is also you know generally willing to acknowledge except that that's a that's a good type of treatment for me and so you know it's nice to know that over and over again we are fighting the fact that cannabis does have medical efficacy it does help people who have health problems
Larry (01:08:52.446)
and it that makes it a positive thing something that we should all be very happy to see out there should be very satisfied that it's out there for us to be able to use and that we should be getting very discouraged by this next news story which is consistent with other stories we've been talking about over the last few weeks on this show thank you again to marijuana moment for that past story for this one once again we have g o p lawmakers discuss marijuana rescheduling
and the impact of that on another trump presidency in interviews that they gave after republican national convention what which just added last week's so many of them are sharing predictions about the prospects of marijuana policy reform including rescheduling if donald trump was another term of the white house this november perspectives were mixed in a series of interviews with marijuana moment this week as delegates formally voted to dominate trump is the party's pick and the former president announced his running mate senator jd events
from Ohio. While the general theme of the conversations was deference to Trump's largely unknown cannabis policy desires, there were significant divides among GOP members about what they personally would like to see happen. So we have Representative Brian Mast from Florida, co -chair of the Congressional Cannabis Caucus, tempered concerns that a Trump administration would reverse course on the modest reforms that have been achieved under the Biden administration. Having new blood in office with upcoming congressional elections means there will
more people who didn't lock themselves in to pass prohibitionist positions that they're willing to depart from," he said, adding that these new lawmakers are going to have a new position. To underscore that point, the congressman drew a parallel to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and former House Speaker John Boehner. While in office, both GOP leaders have opposed cannabis reform because they had longstanding positions on the issue while serving in elected office. McConnell, who is still in office, has maintained that opposition since leaving office.
advocated for federal marijuana reform is his capacity as a lobbyist for the industry which just you know screams hypocrisy to me in such a loud way. Nope, when I'm a politician I know it's best and I'm gonna say no but the minute I'm done boy I'm gonna go profit in that as much as I can so if it's really as bad as you said it was how do you feel comfortable profiting in it now and what does that say for you? You know as
Larry (01:11:16.842)
as a guy who doesn't just jump values from one side or the other, like JD Vance, who four years ago or three years ago thought Donald Trump was America's Hitler, and is now proud to serve as his vice presidential candidate in the upcoming election. This is just not OK that we get this. So with the majority of states having enacted legalization in some form,
other congressman said this will the people the republican party supposed to be about states rights that's true they are as whether he had any concerns about the possibility that trump administration or g o p controlled congress would block the maritona rescheduling proposal made by president joe biden's department mass said i don't think so he said that his argument to republican colleagues who might raise the issues that if you supported the state rights philosophy of the u .s. supreme court case overturned the abortion rights under roe versus way you should apply that same principle
to state cannabis laws and nancy bases mace who i typically don't agree with said that she resupports not only rescheduling but de scheduling and to leave it to the states to decide so i can certainly agree with that and i think that that's a a very reasonable way to approach it but they get guys like house leader steve sklis for his part he declared to address cannabis altogether when asked about instead state the republicans are looking at an agenda focused on getting the economy moving again and i guess that all the
money that legal marijuana is generating right we just talked last week about illinois hitting a billion dollars there for some reason that's not worth making making it the plight of the conversation so okay we get chuck fleishman the republican from tennessee who is among twenty five g o p members who recently urged the d e a to keep marijuana in schedule one in a joint public comment on the proposed rescheduling rule told marijuana woman that he wasn't sure how trump would navigate the issue
but he said the former president is going to have to sit back and look at every executive order this administration has put in including rescheduling. I can't speak for what he's going to do. He said, I'm a fiscal and social conservative, so I've seen marijuana and other drugs ruin families. I'm going to defer all of those decisions to Trump. I think it's part of Republican's ethos. I think we just need to refocus it.
Larry (01:13:29.644)
i think that's the rate said that's she said just say no he said i think we have massive education programs we need to get that information out to the people so they can be very strong decisions about any substance here that he plans to oppose it at the justice department marijuana rescheduling proposal federal government is probably ultimately going to have to leave it where it's at schedule
you know and then they're all bitching about the loophole we've talked about this of the 2018 farm bill and some of the uh... of cannabinoids present in hemp that can produce a buzz and everybody's so against it but just I hear people say this and I really want to understand what they're saying you know when he says that ruins families marijuana does not ruin families
you know marijuana is not heroin marijuana is not co -hanging you know what marijuana also isn't dude marijuana isn't alcohol and you know what ruins families a lot and leads to spousal abuse and alcohol leads to all of that alcohol does you guys are sitting back there at your convention you know drinking your scotches and
your whiskey's or drinking your beer and and and we have to cruise to on american government to kiss my ass of the things that live in me to two beers a day so people get home and they go to the better their wife they better their kids cuz they're drunk they get in fights they commit crimes they get violent with people and you have marijuana where people don't do that and it by the way it doesn't kill you the way the alcohol does so you know all these guys who are sitting there telling us that we can support marijuana because
We have to have Nancy Reagan's just say no. Yeah, right. Okay, well that worked out really well for people, didn't it? We still have people of color and other minorities who are still trying to pull their lives back together because Nancy Reagan's just say no led into the horrible criminal penalties, the zero tolerance and all of these other laws that just went on to ruin people's lives and not to really make people safe.
Larry (01:15:48.198)
and took marijuana for some people out of the equation even though we don't know if you listen to the show regular folks right all the wonderful things that marijuana actually does for you and all the harmful things that it doesn't it really stand behind all of these uneducated assholes who just can't admit that they don't like marijuana personally for whatever their reasons are they're entitled that's like marijuana
So instead, they try and paint it as though their position is very reasoned very educated and very well thought out, and they just embarrass themselves and shit their pants even more. And it's just the same to see that they do this. So of course, it's no surprise. And now we switch over to some information for MJ Biz that JD Vance, Trump's vice president pick, opposed marijuana banking. But he's silent on legalization.
So US Senator JD Vance, the Ohio representative who's going to run with Donald Trump, is no supporter of federal marijuana reform. Nor did the 39 -year -old former investment banker and Hillbilly Elegy author support adult use marijuana legalization in Ohio last year. But Vance doesn't appear to be much of a cannabis cultural warrior, either preferring instead to spend his political capital elsewhere. Is Vance a friend of the industry? Absolutely not, says Steve Shane, a Philadelphia -based attorney and one of the best -looking guys in the business.
who specializes in cannabis, banking, and taxation issues, told MJ Biz by phone on Tuesday. Steve said his first and only concern, JD Vance's first and only concern, is fortifying and furthering his federal role. That being said, like most classic libertarians, he doesn't want to disturb states' rights or expand the federal government. We're going to get Steve on the show one day, because he's a learned guy. He's a good -looking guy. He's a funny guy. And he's a colleague of mine from the Hoban Law Group.
and just can't say enough about steven his knowledge of the things he brings to the table and the shame is on me for not having introduced him to everybody but that's his quote he's absolutely right a yale law school graduate financier vance first catapult to national fame as the author of phil billy legge elegy of memory a memoir of his modest appellation roots that was later adapted for the film that came out about it he's a piece of proponent of new right conservative politics
Larry (01:18:08.014)
which would include skepticism of foreign intervention and bracing economic populism. In 2022, while campaigning for his Senate seat, he said that marijuana should be a state's issue. But then he seemed to hint at a connection between marijuana use and violent crime. A lot of times, looking at underlying charge, he said in debate with Democrat Tim Ryan, who advanced defeated for the Senate seat. It wasn't just that they smoked a joint. It's that they smoked a joint and then beat an elderly woman over the head with a pistol. Well, we just got done talking about that.
that doesn't happen very often you don't have nearly as many instances of people smoking marijuana going out and committing acts of violence as you do people who drink alcohol and then go out and commit acts of violence the the the studies the numbers do not back up what he's saying he's talking out of his ass because he doesn't like it so i don't know why for the same reason they says there should be a right to abortion even if the woman was a victim of ancestor rape right so once again all these guys
who to sit out there and who say i'm a republican i'm a right winger and i believe in states rights and i don't believe that the federal government should stick their nose in anything except they should stick in people's bedrooms to stop abortion and gay sex and they should stick it into people's living rooms to stop them from smoking marijuana and they should stick their nose into anything that we don't agree with so what we say isn't really true just like parents for choice it's only true for those people who actually believe in our philosophy
and that's where all of this bullshit falls apart you know they say well the god was we can only have god laws if there's evidence in the constitution the founding fathers wanted this but there's no evidence in the constitution of the founding fathers didn't marijuana rights or that they didn't want abortion so where is it that all the states rights guys and leave the federal government out of it can come in and take these moral positions and i just say it's because they've sold their souls
to the religious right as much as the religious right sold its sold to donald trump and they're all taking their values and throwing them out the window just to increase their chances of spousing in power by paying playing politics of division which throughout history will show has never been good free people are in a shins continued success you know but these people are are are really it's it's it's it's disappointing to see on so many levels because their positions are even in party even principles at the end of the day they try to pretend like they are
Larry (01:20:34.466)
but they're not. They can't give you an explanation for why other than the fact they've just been told a lot that marijuana is a bad thing and they've never bothered to go out and do the research for themselves or allow their opinions to be updated as science now does go and catch up. So Republicans, even though they like to smoke and some of them are okay as a whole, are not friends to the marijuana industry and when you go to the polls you need to keep that in mind and if you're going to vote along green politics
in almost every instance where you have a republican and a democrat running and cannabis is an issue on any level you are going to find almost always that the person who's running as a democrat will have a much more favorable view upon it than the the person who's running on the right including our friend Mary don't even remember her last name anymore it's just as well the republican who's a house member from Illinois and somehow fails to realize that Illinois is pulling in a billion dollars a year
in cannabis, a state that desperately needs income. And she's ready to ride her horse right into the middle of the whole hemp debate and shut down any possible use of constituent cannabinoids in hemp that have any THC in them and produce any kind of a buzz.
and whatever but here's what else is going on in Illinois and this is interesting too also from MJBiz. Half of Illinois marijuana social equity retailers in Illinois are at risk of losing their licenses so yeah this is you kind of have to hear it to believe its story and let's just go through it kind of quick here five years after establishing one of the first state -run social equity programs only half of Illinois eligible marijuana retailers are operating according to data analysis data analysis by MJBiz. Dozens of licensees
who have yet to open their businesses are facing the very real possibility of losing their conditional license as expiration dates on those permits sunset this month and in August.
Larry (01:22:33.762)
this is a problem now they go on to say that a hundred dispensaries owned by social equity applicants is a testament to the hard work by the administration lawmakers and stakeholders in ensuring we create a process is accessible to everyone no matter their gender race or where in Illinois they call home said the state's Department of Finance and professional regulation he said but hold on a second here there's just a real real problem because they're mixing up language right
dozens of licenses, they're talking about only half of the eligible marijuana retailers are opening up. And they're talking about social equity retailers. guys in Illinois, everybody is a social equity retailer. Because everybody found a way to be able to claim social equity. If you didn't find a way to be able to claim social equity on your application, you had no chance of winning. You had no chance of ultimately even with the help from the state.
getting a perfect score to throw your name into the hat in order to have the chance of being pulled out. All of these people have conditional social equity licenses. White people, rich people, people who never in a million years, if you saw, would fit what most people's definition of social equity really means. So that's the first bad part about this. The second bad part about this is forgetting about what you call them.
over half of them are still at risk of losing their license. Why? Because sometime in 22, well, in 19, in 2020, they all submitted their applications. And they were all expecting to find out if they got their licenses within four to six months. And the state took three years to tell people who got their licenses. But guess what? These people had to have real estate. So they've been paying carrying costs
to hold onto real estate because if they lost their real estate, then they would not have a perfect score because they wouldn't be able to show the state that they had their real estate all lined up with a landlord who knew that they were going to be doing this and who was okay with them doing this, or in a state or in a location that was allowing them to do this. And month after month after month, eventually these landlords or owners who were selling to people with conditional contracts based on them getting their license, who had said, fine, you'll pay us three or $4 ,000.
Larry (01:24:50.83)
for four months, and then we'll see. All of a sudden, it became three years. People had to pay money to do this. People who became social equity because they had to full time hire 10 other people who would qualify for social equity, they had to keep them on the payroll. People had to fight their litigation to get their license. Guess what? They've run out of money.
They don't have the money they need now to be able to go ahead and build out their space and to get a dispensary up and running. And that's why licenses for dispensaries in Illinois are going for well under a million dollars. You know, if you can even find somebody who wants to buy one these days, because again, as the article says, you can't even transfer ownership over them until after the dispensary itself is actually up and operating, received
final state approval. Well, if you don't have the money to get it to the finish line, how could you do that? You can't sell it. What the hell are you supposed to do? That's why there's over 100 of these license holders out there who are at risk of losing their license, because they're not going to meet the deadline that applies to their group of license holders. This has just been an F up from one end down to the other. And while it's great to see that Illinois is selling $1 billion,
That's no magic trick. If you just got these damn dispensaries and up there operating, they'd be selling $2 billion or $3 billion worth of cannabis in this state. But they don't do it. But then at the same time, they want to pat themselves on the back for all the social equity licenses. all of us, not just me, but there was so many of us going and talking to our local reps who were all telling us, we don't have six months available.
ought to come in and have public comment periods and rulemaking and all of this we need to move this forward we can't wait this is the way to do it trust us and it's just been one huge screw up where the people who you think should be social equity the people who should be social equity are the people should be social equity are putting a whole lot of licenses and all of them except for the very very wealthy are getting screwed
Larry (01:26:54.37)
because they've been asked to carry the costs of holding their licenses or even holding a place in case they get a license for over four years having to spend pretty much all the money they have and now they're expected to come back with a depressed market and nationwide, I in Illinois it's doing okay, but to find investors is like next to impossible. So that's why the value of these dispensaries has dropped so low and it's just a matter of time before Cresco and Curaleaf and all of these guys go in and Verano and start buying them out just like they bought out
all of the medical and they'll find a way to own more licenses than the state says you can own and they'll set up little minor side entities and say this is a separate entity it can hold ten and here's a separate entity it can hold ten and all these people are gonna say what the hell what else do i what other what other option do i have i have to sell out and i mean early on people were getting a million or two or three when the licenses were first being quote -unquote awarded but nobody's paying that kind of money for these right now and even the people who want to can't buy them
because you can't buy these these entities until they're up and running but they can't get up and running because they don't have enough money and but once again we want to pat ourselves on the back that we've done such a good job here in Illinois with social equity and it's really a shame and it's it's it's in fact it's it's just it's a disaster all the way around other than the fact that they are selling a million dollars worth of marijuana but you know they're missing out on the chance to sell so much more so that's all I'm going to say about that it's just unfortunate it's not where we want it to be
you know and and so for every great study that comes out extols the virtues of cannabis and marijuana and cbd and delta a and all the other stuff that's out there and all the the health care bob benefits were getting it all the insurance benefits were getting in all the all these benefits that were getting for veterans and for people who have chronic illnesses and on and on and on and on and on it with all these folks that know better if it was if it was somebody coming in and tell you how many beers a day or week they could drink
they'd be screaming bloody outrage right? Ted Cruz ain't can kiss my ass but when you come in and you have this and they all come up with their bullshit over and over and over again it's just so disappointing and and and really frustrating for all of us so I'm sure you can hear it in my voice and if I come off sounding too frustrated or too angry sorry too bad that's just the way it is and once again we have to go back to the grateful dad we have to go back to their beautiful music
Larry (01:29:16.558)
And this is going to take us all right back to where we want to be. So we're going back to 40 years ago today at Ventura County Fairgrounds. And we've heard the drums into the space. Now we're going to hear the space coming out into one of those tunes when they come out of space into it. Grown men start weeping, says Donald Trump. And the rest of us just know that we start going crazy because it's a wonderful tune. So let's listen to what they do here.
Larry (01:31:28.11)
So you go from one end of the space to the other. Great jamming on the intro coming off of the drums, and this time coming out of the space segment. They make this wonderful jump into morning dew, which if you could hear it coming out of the space, what a great place to hear it. was coming out, you're excited for this song, coming out of the space, you know what it they're not closing the show on it. But here when they do it, they're still spacing. Phil lays down his bass bomb, and he pretty much directs everybody into the song.
Jerry sounds at the beginning there like he's still lagging behind for a moment before he finally recovers, know, really gets the tune going and then belts out the lyrics with a strong voice that he's still possessed at that time. This is a great 10 plus minute due that is well worth downloading the show just to hear it, although the rest of the show is outstanding. It's a really nice way to come back out of the space and certainly very much appreciated by the crowd and who doesn't like a great morning due at your dead show, wherever they're gonna drop
although it does typically come at the end of the show, the Jerry Post space ballad in that rotation and certainly one of the favorites, if not the favorite one that pops up at that time. And this, you listen to it as just a wonderful, wonderful morning do. They played the song 273 times. The first was January 14th, 1967 at the Human Bein in San Francisco. And the last time they played it was June 21st, 1985 at the Knickerbocker Arena.
in Albany, another song that didn't make the final four show run, much to everyone's dismay because of just how much the song is adored and how everyone really loves it. So just to kind of summarize, because we kind of jumped around there, It Bein' Sunday, they came out and opened up the second set with Samson and Delilah, Into Ship of Fools, then into I Just Want to Make Love to You, Women Are Smarter, Into a Terrapin Station.
that's really, really excellent. So that's a good opener of the second set when you get five songs taking you into drums. And the terrapin into drums is really cool, too. And we heard the drums and the space. And then they come out of the space into that great morning dew. Then they went into throwing stones, not fade away. They close out the set with midnight hour and then with the encore with broke down palace. as we're running out of time here, unfortunately, we're not going to have a chance to listen to throwing stones or not fade, which is significant here.
Larry (01:33:52.076)
because it october eighty three at the messes where garden shows they started closing the second set with throwing stones and did not fade away in the the no our level that fade away chant that the crowd would keep doing keep doing it clapping and clapping till they came back out for the encore the first time you heard it was kinda nice but after the second or third time i stopped that enjoying it as much because when soon as they hit into the throwing stones you knew the story stills that they're there done here it's fun because it is the throwing stones that state
out of a morning dew and you know they certainly could have kept it off at that point but they throw in this midnight hour and you know when they do that it really kind of makes it a lot of fun it's a song originally performed by Wilson Pickett in 1965 and released on a 65 album in the same name the exciting Wilson Pickett the song was composed by Pickett and Steve Cropper at the historic Lorraine Motel in Memphis with the site later in April 1968 of the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.
pick his first hit on Atlantic Records. It reached number one on the R &B charts and peaked at number 21 on the pop charts. Bruce Springsteen has covered the song from time to time. It's been played by other notable rock groups. It was first performed by the Grateful Dead in 1965. It was performed a few times through 1971. It dropped out, and it returned to the repertoire in 1982.
it was performed very very frequently through to nineteen eighty four total other performance on fifty seven times it's also been performed by further dead and co the other ones phil lash everybody the dead first played it was set on december tenth sixty five the film or in san francisco and last played it on october seventeenth nineteen eighty four message where garden so they don't even make it into the the final year of the grateful dead player at least not final calendar year but it was fun i saw what is a
as a new year's eve number and that was very cool thing to see and you know you just kinda get it like that sometimes and I think that whenever they would play Midnight Hour it would always just be a lot of fun and for them here it's a great way to dip out of the show and we're gonna wrap up. I already gave my birthday greetings to my wonderful nephew Ben and also a quick birthday shout out to good friend John Gross who is the son of a very good friend
Larry (01:36:19.226)
herald and i'd jones a cool dude who's probably one of the smartest human beings i know plays amazing piano has two wonderful siblings who are you know and also a big fan of but today july sunday's twenty seconds john's date so mike and rachel you'll just have to wait for your birthdays or some other time to get that shout out for me but always nice to have some birthday shots we have some big ones coming up next week including good buddy mikey never hate to never feel bad about using that because that's always a great birthday
But here we are, my fish week. So I'm excited, folks. Listen next week and get the updates. Have a great week. If you're going to be at fish anywhere, seeing them this summer, I hope you enjoy it as much as I'm looking forward to. Be safe. Be good. Enjoy your cannabis responsibly. We'll talk to you next week in the midnight hour.