Bob Dylan's Extended Tour and Upcoming Phil Lesh and Friends Concert Larry Michigan relives a classic Grateful Dead show from exactly 37 years ago on January 29th, 1987, at the San Francisco Civic Center. The performance marked the middle night of a three-night run celebrating the Chinese New Year.
Bob Dylan's Extended Tour and Upcoming Phil Lesh and Friends Concert
Larry Michigan relives a classic Grateful Dead show from exactly 37 years ago on January 29th, 1987, at the San Francisco Civic Center. The performance marked the middle night of a three-night run celebrating the Chinese New Year.
Larry delves into the opening song, "Hell in a Bucket," reminiscing about the quirky banter and Bobby's guitar troubles. Larry shares amusing anecdotes, including the infamous "Police on a Joyride" mix-up in a Chicago Tribune article. The podcast crew laughs about past experiences and the unique anticipation of a Grateful Dead show.
He also reflects on the significance of the Chinese New Year celebration during the shows and the dragon dance that captivated the audience. The conversation shifts to Jerry Garcia's remarkable comeback after a diabetic coma in 1986, making these shows even more special.
As they discuss the performances of "Hell in a Bucket" and "Sugaree," the hosts highlight Jerry's exceptional guitar playing and the overall energy of the band during this period. Larry also shares the latest cannabis news and provides with updates on upcoming music events, including Phil Lesh and Bob Dylan's tours, and a nod to the Live Dead and the Brothers tour.
Grateful Dead
January 29, 1987 (37 years ago)
San Francisco Civic Center
S.F., Ca
INTRO: Hell In a Bucket
Track #1 (Don’t be fooled by Finiculi Finicula intro - the song starts after a brief noodle, this is the correct track)
1:55 – 3:33
SHOW No. 1: Sugaree
Track #2
1:19 – 3:02
SHOW No. 2: Drums
Track # 13
2:30 – 4:00
Features the Chinese Dragon Dance portion of the Drums
SHOW No. 3: Scarlet>Fire
Track #9: 7:50 – end
Track #10: Start 0:41
This is the transition between the two songs just keep taping from the end of Scarlet through the beginning of Fire
SHOW No. 4: Stella Blue
Track # 14 (On the Archive page for this track it shows I Need A Miracle > Stella Blue, just use the time signatures below to get to the Stella Blue part
7:06 – 8:44
OUTRO: Going Down The Road Feeling Bad
Track #15
1:23 – 2:53
Dan Humiston (00:01.658)
I just want to get the first sun going.
Larry (00:34.742)
hello everyone welcome to another episode of the deadhead cannabis show i'm larry michigan law in chicago and uh... we have a very good show for you guys today uh... january twenty ninth two thousand twenty four and we are featuring a show from thirty seven years ago by the great full dead on january twenty ninth nineteen eighty seven at the san francisco civic center it was the middle night of a three-night run at the civic center
uh... with the focus of the weekend being on the chinese new year show that they were every other grateful dead would do uh... show a series of shows to celebrate chinese new year's and later in the month of february they would do their marty gross shows and on this case i got myself out to california for it and after a little screw around on stage while they try to figure out what the hell was going on with bobby's guitar we all laughed about it for ten minutes uh... they finally kick things off and here's what they started with
Larry (02:57.686)
Maybe go into hell in a bucket, but at least I'm enjoying the ride, which is better than Police on a Joyride, which is the oft-told story of the Chicago Tribune article reviewing a Dead show from the late 80s, and they played the tune, and the next day the writer eagerly wrote about hearing the Grateful Dead's new tune, Police on a Joyride, for the first time, and how great it was. And...
we laughed and laughed and of course there was no emails you could send back in those days so i think we probably had a call and leave a voicemail message with the tribune uh... arts department saying who the hell are you sending over to review these shows uh... who don't even know the name of the shows and of course they never responded to our call uh... and somewhere along the way they got greg cod who knew exactly what he was doing and was very good at reviewing shows but police on a joyride it's always our little joke whenever uh... we hear that too but it's a great way to start the show um... you know get bobby out there get him moving around get the crowd up in a
about, you know, all that little bantering going on up on stage right before they start is always fun, right? It's like being at a fish show. You're sitting there, you've got all the anticipation. What are they going to play? What are they going to open with? It can make the show. It can break the show. You know, it can be all sorts of things. And you know, they dive into Hell in a Bucket and Bobby really loved that song and played it a lot. It came out a little bit later in their lives on their In the Dark album. But they did still manage to squeeze it in quite a bit.
uh during their career 217 times total uh first played on may 13th 1993 at the Greek theater out in Berkeley and then last played by the boys on June 30th 1995 at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh. So we got to hear it a lot we got to know it really well they have a um
They put a video out back in the day when people were still doing music videos on MTV or whatever other channels were doing that kind of stuff. And we'd watch it and we'd laugh. They had one for Touch of Grey. It was all really kind of silly. But at least they were treating the dead as mainstream at that point. So that was nice, although as I was just talking about with one of my wife's cousins, Suzy, who's a big fish fan, that's what happens. You just get to this point where
Larry (05:10.082)
people just kind of accepted without even you know just because everybody else is accepting it's kind of become popular it's kind of become the thing to talk about and uh...
You know, look, it is what it is. We love The Grateful Dead, we love Fish, and we love when they get out there and they play good tunes. And this is really a great way to start out and get the show going. Now, let me give you a little bit of background about this show. As I said, this was the middle night of a three-night run. I made it to this show, and then to the next night, the Saturday night show, this was the Friday night show, this was the night they had the dragon dance, which we'll get to in a minute or two here.
I'm really grateful that we do this every year on the Chinese New Year show. If you go and take a look back on our webpage for today's show, you'll see the show art and my ticket stubs from the show. And the first night that I went, being the second night of the three, was just like one of those standard ticket master tickets where they just spit it out. But the next night, we had scored tickets that were actually from the dead. So you can see all the little fancy writing on there, trying to make the English look like Chinese characters.
Chinese New Year's show and
it was great fun always enjoyable and great that you know the dead would pick these little things make a big deal out of them and you know create annual pilgrimages uh... when people would come running out to celebrate uh... chinese new years and uh... whatever else came next so chinese new years was fun uh... not something interesting that uh... i learned about these shows and i'm sure there'll be people out there who might disagree and i have not yet had a chance to run this by
Larry (06:48.4)
he may have differences of opinion on this, but supposedly these three shows at the Civic Center turned out to be the final shows played by the Grateful Dead within the San Francisco city limits.
After this, their shows were typically at the Shoreline Amphitheater or the Oakland Stadium or the Greek Theater. During colder months, they'd play at the Oakland Auditorium for a while in the late 80s. Before they got too big, they would sometimes play at the Berkeley Community Theater or at Henry J. Kaiser. I think there was a Marin Veterans Memorial, something that had a venue where they might play some shows.
uh... i haven't had a chance to dependently verify this but they go back in and they haven't uh... ever come back to san francisco and so you know a certain level that's kind of cool uh... and on it's another level it's i guess you know it's kinda sad right because i mean the dead really made their thing in the san francisco area playing at all the places in san francisco the film or
winterland the avalan the matrix the you all of these places where uh... they played all of their shows of their infancy was part of the asset tests and everything uh... this was all centered around san francisco they lived in the hate you know right at the right at the right at the corner of uh... hate nashbury and um... it's did now you didn't them
I was around, but I don't really specifically remember at the time when they picked up their roots out of San Francisco and moved over to Marin County, sometime in the early 70s, I believe.
Larry (08:34.134)
But it's just kind of hard to believe that these guys really just left the city. And not that there's anything wrong with it, but I just so closely associate them with the city of San Francisco and its music scene and all of that. I guess there's probably exceptions to this rule as well, because Garcia certainly played a number of shows still in the San Francisco area, at the Warfield and a number of other theaters there. So they must just mean by the Grateful Dead as a band.
find it hard to believe and if anybody has any evidence out there that that's wrong would love to hear about it just to set the record straight. Something else about this show that might be slightly overlooked but shouldn't be which is that it's January of 87 and people tend to forget that it was just on December 15th 1986 that Garcia rejoined the band
to complete his comeback from his diabetic coma that he had slipped into in early July of 1986. I think I've told the story about how it killed my plans for seeing the Grateful Dead at the Fox Theater in St. Louis in 1986, which would have been well over 10 years since they had last played there in the 70s. We've highlighted a number of those shows from time to time and how much they loved playing in the Fox Theater and in St. Louis and all of this. Then lo and behold, Jerry went into his diabetic coma
Dan Humiston (09:57.042)
Did it?
Larry (09:58.896)
the second row center seats went by the wayside, which was definitely too bad. But then the question became, would Jerry survive? And not only did he survive, but he ultimately got to the point where he was back and he was back by mid December and then played, they did their New Year shows. And then these shows were actually the first shows for the band in.
Dan Humiston (09:59.846)
Can I make one change on it? Hm? Can I change it? I can't get in because I've never logged in before, so it won't let me get in there. But this is her heart.
Dan Humiston (10:15.699)
So we used the usual name was Thanks Karen. And then the password was...
Larry (10:23.702)
1987 following the New Year's show. So Garcia had not yet really played a lot of shows.
Dan Humiston (10:24.422)
with the dollar sign for the S.
Larry (10:31.298)
you know, like I say, just barely one month since he had picked up his guitar to be out on the stage with the boys again. But as you'll hear on a number of the tunes we, we play today, uh, his guitar playing is as outstanding as ever. And I love the story. They say that he had to relearn how to play guitar. I wish I could learn how to play guitar that well in such a short period of time because by these shows he's Jerry again, man, he, his, his fingers are flashing and he's, he's laying down the chords and, uh, his voice is very, very strong. Uh, as you will hear on, uh,
Dan Humiston (10:57.726)
weird how this thing turned out. Mine came out this afternoon too, and I don't even have X.
Larry (11:01.232)
that we will play as we go forward. But for Deadheads, this was huge. A little bit like Fish getting back together and Trey.
Dan Humiston (11:12.27)
Advanced talent. Okay. So, next. I'll go with this weird password. So, it's KFLVABN. G. You're right. T. 2024. Okay. So, next.
Larry (11:12.746)
cleaning up his act or whatever the other issues were at the time that it separated them and uh... at this particular occasion i mean jerry got into the diabetic coma uh... you know and uh... it was just time to try to clean up his act a little and he did succeed at it for a while ultimately we know he didn't uh... but at least in these shows you know when he's back out there he's really let it fly and that's just great uh... another fact about the shows that's uh...
Dan Humiston (11:39.878)
I got just as further than I got last time.
Larry (11:41.95)
very sad but on the day of this show the 29th earlier in the day just hours before the show Bobby's dog Otis died now Otis
Dan Humiston (11:48.119)
that scene. Let's see if we're next.
Larry (11:53.102)
It might just be another dog out there and everybody has a dog and anytime you lose a dog who's been with you for a long time, it's a sad thing. For some people, it can almost have the equivalency of losing a human companion, whether they be family or friend or relative or whatever the case may be. But in this case, Otis was not just any other dog and was very, very well known by the Deadheads and primarily from the Reckoning album.
Dan Humiston (11:56.718)
I can't.
Dan Humiston (12:05.47)
So you don't need to wait. It's probably because you were trying to log in and then I was trying to log in. As it says on here, this happens when we notice an unusual logging activity, like an attempt to log in too many times or from different devices. So it's probably because we're trying to log in.
Larry (12:23.316)
version of Ripple and right in the middle of one of the verses apparently Otis walks out on stage at I believe that the time they were at Radio City Music Hall although it could have been at the Warfield maybe it makes sense for it to have been at the Warfield if it was Bobby's dog and the dog just wanders out on stage and mid verse of singing Jerry just kind of pauses and says oh that's Otis and then they go on and what's funny is for people who you know really heard Ripple
Dan Humiston (12:24.498)
Good work. I don't know how you did it. I think it was exactly the same thing. It didn't work for me. Thank you.
Larry (12:51.646)
for the first time, you know, live rather than just on American Beauty, Reckoning, you know, came out and had such a beautiful version on there. It got a lot of extended play, so for a while we'd all laugh that whenever we heard the song right at the spot, we'd say, oh, where's Otis? And then Jerry, of course, would chime in, where is Otis? But Otis did die and...
apparently, you know, certainly for Bobby and maybe for some of the other guys in the band, it was sad and it was a loss, but you know, as we heard on Hell in a Bucket, Bobby came out intent on jamming and jam he did as did all the other guys out there. Finally, I'll give a big shout out to my good buddy Tommy, who lives up in the Hudson Valley in New York with his lovely wife, the Lady Jewels, and a cast of thousands of farm animals and all sorts of things and
At the time of these shows, Tommy was living in Palo Alto. He was taking a graduate program at Stanford, and he and I made up a little plan for me to head out there. And he came and picked me up. We went to, we missed the Thursday night show. We went to this show, the Friday night show, then the Saturday night show. And then I flew home on either Sunday or Monday.
Dan Humiston (13:59.698)
Yeah.
Larry (14:05.618)
i was in law school at the time so i actually had to get back in you'll get back to doing my thing uh... but it was very nice so not out to tell me who i always love going to dead shows with and shout out to tell me it's good buddy gregor i believe was his name who came up with the tickets for surly swan of the night so if not both of them and uh... there's a really good you to put that i would suggest people check out that somebody made of the shows and it's just one of the nights outside before the show with the deadheads and you know there's a little park across the street from
Dan Humiston (14:10.519)
See ya!
Larry (14:35.532)
Civic Center with the funky little trees. I can't remember the name of what they're called, but very distinct, almost looking like cactus type trees in terms of their shapes of their limbs and everything. But it's just great, this guy walking through the crowd just using some sort of a V8 camera or whatever to just randomly film the crowd. And now here it is some 36, seven years later, and you can look at it. I did not see myself or anybody I knew, but if you're at those shows, check it out and see. And speaking of those shows,
back now. Bobby, we heard him and now Jerry comes back strong with a fan favorite, Sugary. Let's listen.
Larry (16:57.198)
sugary we listen to it a lot on this show and of course we do because it's a Jerry masterpiece And did you hear how clear and how? Resonating his voice was he I was hitting notes. He was going where he had to go with it Not a lot of cracking was remembering the lyrics
His guitar playing is just stellar and he's just out there. You know, I always like to think, you know, I remember seeing him playing during this period of time that, you know, this is like Jerry, you got a second chance on life. When he went down with that diabetic coma, we all assumed he was dead or, you know, probably gonna be dead shortly thereafter. And the fact that he pulled through the coma and the fact that he worked himself back into a point where he had the physical and mental capabilities to start playing his instrument again and then to, you know, relearn all
of his songs as it were and get up and get out there. And now here we are, you know, just a month or two into his return and.
you would hardly know that something was wrong with Jerry. He's playing so well, I think, and it's just a pleasure to listen to all of that and, you know, how good everything is going for him. So, very, very happy at that point. Seen a great show, having a wonderful time, and I can tell you right now that I have a distinct memory that the Civic Center that night was not sold out because the floor where we were was not completely full. In other words, it used to be the case, you know, certainly
mid-1980s for a while, you know, the pre-Touch of Grey, you know, Rock it to Stardom and large unruly crowds.
Larry (18:34.414)
uh... that you might go into some places from time to time and the floor wouldn't fill up if you were willing to you know take a few steps back and you know go more towards the middle or the back of the of the floor area you could find all the room you needed uh... to dance to twirl to whatever you were into at that particular moment uh... and that was the case with this show tommy and i had plenty of room to go back and do our thing and we were having a good time and you know being out in california some of the
nature you might say. And really a lot of fun and like I say, Sugar Re is just a tune. We all love a lot of my early shows with Grateful Dead shows I went to see with my buddy Tommy and for a while he was my California guy. He and I went to the
to the 85 Greek theater shows, the 20th anniversary shows. And you know, just we always seem to be in the right place. We saw a couple of Hampton shows together, some shows in Detroit, some shows at Alpine Valley. But it was always a pleasure to go to a show with Tommy because A, he loved to drive. So regardless of how many cars we needed, whether it was one or whether it was three, he was always gonna be a driver. And it was always hard because I'd always get tabbed to drive too, but given my preference, I would always rather be a passenger in a car
was driving. He was a very good driver and he enjoyed doing it and you know we could smoke joints and listen to good music on the radio and hang out and talk and do all sorts of fun stuff. So at any rate just a great show and great to see
uh... sugary and be able to listen to jerry like that uh... that played three hundred sixty two times first played on july thirty first nineteen seventy one at the yale bowl new haven connecticut so there you go all of you yalees out there elise crossword puzzle word yeah the yale bowl and i remember reading a story about that show at the yale bowl that suggested uh... that the new haven cops were out and about
Larry (20:36.77)
and as people came out of the venue and out of the area that had been roped off for the concert, they were being hassled by the cops and people were being arrested. And I think that's the kind of thing that's been happening in the last few years.
you know it was that east coast sensibilities mashing up with uh... you know the dead which were at that time in nineteen seventy one still relatively new thing that not everybody in town knew about them or what to expect or expect from their people when they sought they'll kind of freaked out a little bit but over the years new haven became a very popular place uh... for the dead to play and they did play there often and uh... some really good shows
The last time that Sugary was performed by the Grateful Dead was at their final show on July 8, 1995 at Soldier Field in Chicago. And while I do remember them playing that song at that show, I don't remember it sounding anything at all like this version we just heard with that really crisp, solid voice in the show I saw with my good buddy Andy. Not to be confused with our great friend Andy from San Francisco, but this is my good buddy Andy from here in Chicago.
who's a big sporting goods guy and a big fan of the Grateful Dead. And he and I were at that final show together. You know, it was a good version of, it was always fun to hear him play Sugarree. But I saw the last four shows and you know, Jerry's voice just was pretty much gone. He was forgetting a lot of words. He was kind of almost just going through the motions. It was sad to see. And then after, of course, that show in Chicago on July 8th, within a month,
Jerry was dead and we lost him a long time ago, too long, we're going on 30 years without him. And that's just kind of incomprehensible to me. I only saw the Grateful Dead shows over a period of just right around 14 years. I haven't seen them since this show, the July 8th show at Soldier Field. So that's just a long, long time.
Larry (22:41.182)
long time to be gone short time to be there uh... yeah kinda crazy all the way around and uh... what you gonna do lots of good music coming up uh... phil lesh and friends have announced that they will be playing a valentine's day concert at the philmore in san francisco uh... on wednesday february fourteenth he and his friends lineup although the exact lineup he's going to be playing with has not yet been released
We'll be going back to the Fillmore for an evening of love-dripped entertainment. Quick shout out and thank you to Relix for providing all of this good information that I'm about to pass along to you regarding concerts and music stuff that's going on.
Phil's upcoming concert is going to represent the latest in a string of monthly gigs that have occurred in the region. The trend began late in the fall when the artist and his band played at the Fillmore on November 3rd. The ensemble returned to the venue for a two-night stand on December 15th and 17th, but ultimately switched locations for the January 13th concert, which took place at the Warfield, another location deeply tied to and connected with the Grateful Dead. The presale for Phil's concert on February 14th
Dan Humiston (23:47.308)
after lunch.
Dan Humiston (23:53.418)
screwed. I know. I know. Like I've had like a call done before because on the outside of the door
Larry (23:54.774)
began already so sorry about that last week on January 23rd and general sale went on January 24th so it might be too late to grab tickets for these Phil show this Phil show at the Fillmore but if I were out there Alex I would find a way to get those tickets and to be there it sounds like it's gonna be a good time
Dan Humiston (24:01.711)
Yeah, because I like...
that with it's not with the office it's with yeah it's the it goes with my cell phone well because I thought we were paying the security company for that's for this door oh yeah that's I like that on my phone so I can be visible with your phone mm-hmm I have it set up so it hits that dial okay so I can like people so I call you
Larry (24:14.634)
Bob Dylan has announced that he is extending his Rough and Rowdy Ways tour with some new spring dates in 2024. You know, and we've been talking about this latest tour of Bob's. It's kind of been going on for a while. It was in the States and it's gone around the world. And we talked about shows he played in Japan a few months back where he featured a number of Grateful Dead shows. Alabama Getaway was one. And maybe I think Not Fade Away. And I can't remember the other. Althea maybe?
Dan Humiston (24:33.746)
And because we have to have a lot of fun this time. And it has also a lot of use. Yep.
Larry (24:43.21)
I'll have to go back and find out. They're not rolling off the tip of the tongue right now. But nevertheless, the shows, in many respects, were warmly received. There's some people who swear they will never see Bob Dylan again because his voice is not at all what they remember or what they like about him. And my response is Dylan's voice was never great. It was just better than it is now. Nobody becomes a Bob Dylan fan because of his voice. They become a Bob Dylan fan because of his songs and the music that he plays.
Dan Humiston (24:46.342)
But get outside during the holiday or at least at both. Okay. I'll call you if I ever get stuck outside. Yeah, we will do all the time. Because I'm in the building, I just can't get back into the office. Yeah, that happens a lot. Yeah. Good. Okay.
Larry (25:13.642)
reputation he has and his importance in music and the live music and you know going live at the Newport Folk Festival and getting booed but doing it anyway you know God bless him for doing it. So let's see the beginning on March 1st you'll return to the road with a show scheduled to occur at the Broward County Center for the Performing Arts in Fort Lauderdale and then playing there a second night as well
Then again, he'll go to some other Florida stops, including a two-night run at Ruth Eckerd Hall in Clearwater, Florida on March 5th and 6th, an evening in Fort Myers, and a pair of gigs at Walt Disney Theater in Orlando. And then the final Florida stop occurs at the Moran Theater in Jacksonville, Florida on March 12th. After a night off to get his strength back, he resumes his run at the Classic Center in Athens, Georgia, where he's scheduled to perform on the 14th and 15th of March. The final concerts for this leg of the tour will be on March 17th.
at the Belk Theater in Charlotte, North Carolina, and March 18th at the Crown Theater in Fayetteville, North Carolina. The tour itself kicked off way back in November 2021. Dates are expected to continue to flow into 2024. If you want more information go to www.bobdillon.com. That's www.bobdillon.com. One word, Bob Dylan, B-O-B-D-Y-L-A-N.
And if you go online to the relics webpage and find the story they have a whole list again for The shows which are scheduled to run through basically the first half of March pretty much in the Florida Georgia, North Carolina part of the world but even more Dead related music is coming onto the scene a band that's called live dead of the brothers with the promise of a mesmerizing journey through the golden era of psychedelic blues and
of the Jam Band scene live Denham Brothers, an all-star lineup that features Les Dudek from the Allman Brothers Band, original Grateful Dead pianist Tom Constantin, Barry Duane Oakley from the Allman Betts Band, Mark Karen from Bob Weir and Rat Dogg, Scott Guberman from Phil Lesh and Friends, and Pete Lava-
Larry (27:24.382)
Lava Zoli from Oatil and Friends is getting ready to embark on a 16 day tour comprised of actual legacy members from the extended Grateful Dead and Allman Brothers families. This exceptional ensemble boasts a revival of the timeless magic of the Grateful Dead and the Allman Brothers.
Together, the band's co-built concerts during periods of 69 to 73. So going back and viewing that, we've talked about some of those shows that the Dead and the Allman Brothers played together. Together, Live Dead and the Brothers invite fans, old and new, to come and relive the raw energy, improvisational prowess and souls during melodies of two iconic bands that defined an era of musical intervention. Now...
It sounds exciting and I'm actually gonna go see one of the shows in April, I believe the 18th in Cincinnati with good buddy Mark from St. Louis who was the one who turned me on to this, both the fact that the band exists and that they're touring and that they're gonna be in Cincinnati because they're not coming to Chicago and they're not coming to St. Louis where he lives so he and I are gonna make our way out there and check all of that out and it should be fun.
We'll report back afterwards and let everybody know how it goes. But I can tell you how the show from the San Francisco Civic Center on January 29, 1987 goes. And we're going to dip now into the drums. But note that the quick change from what sounds like standard drums, and all of a sudden, they're playing drums in a different style to accommodate the fact that this is Chinese New Year's, and they're about to have a dragon dance.
Dan Humiston (28:39.879)
Thank you.
Larry (30:34.754)
they have to understand while all of that is going on there is an actual chinese dragon dance going out among the crowd on the floor it's just like you see on tv or if you've ever seen one live before it's like a large uh... design dragon and there are people under standing below it running the whole length holding their section up in the air on two wooden poles
and they go out and they zigzag and serpentine across the floor and the dragon goes up and down and you know in a wave-like motion and uh they you know sometimes they match it up to the beat of what's happening and sometimes they don't but it's just very cool to see and they kind of clear a little plate part of the floor for uh the dragon performers to come out and to do their thing and you know we walked up as close as we could to you know to try and get a peek of it
a unique experience for me and very, very cool to see and really a lot of fun and, you know, a little bit different for a Dead Show, you know, them acknowledging something culturally and people being very respectful about it and the way that it was being presented and responded to and we really enjoyed it. We really had a lot of fun.
and you know give it to the dead for being on top of that kind of stuff and uh... and being able to do it you can also if you go on to youtube uh... there are uh... videos posted of dragon dances from a number of different uh... years of the grateful dead Chinese New Year shows this one from nineteen eighty seven is in fact there so you can go check it out if you want
I remember it as being very cool and when I checked it out on YouTube again the other day it was very cool. So thanks again to good buddy Tommy for getting me there for that and having an opportunity to experience a little bit of a different way to celebrate. I had been to the Grateful Dead regular New Year's shows before and this was cool too. So really a lot of fun. Now
Larry (32:35.734)
The boys come back and start up the second set here. And as they head out to the second set, they really bring it on strong with a Scarlett fire. Now, rather than listening to Scarlett.
or just listening to a fire, this is one of those shows where I think that the transition is really nice. And so thank you to Dan for deciphering my notes and putting together this little clip that'll let you hear as the boys wind down on Scarlet and go diving into fire.
Dan Humiston (33:19.87)
I'm gonna have to redo this one because I did it wrong.
Dan Humiston (33:34.246)
Larry, I'm gonna have to fix this one, I did it wrong. I did this one wrong.
Dan Humiston (33:41.202)
You'll see.
Larry (34:57.578)
So that's just great stuff, you know, and what I love about it, it's like, oh man, Scarlett Pagani's is such an amazing tune, and now it's ending, and you know, before you can even say anything, Fire on the Mountain is right there, you know. I see that a lot on, you know, if I'm up late maybe one night watching a movie, and I see that the next movie is, is actually a movie that I like, but I realize that given the time, I can't really afford to be around to watch the next movie, and I'll just have to do it some other time.
And they have it set up, you know, this is like on commercial TV now, where they get the commercials out of the way, they finish the end of the first movie you're watching there, they kind of scramble through the credits really fast, and then without missing a beat, the next movie starts.
And you know, before you know it, you're at least me, I get totally sucked into that next movie, you know, usually until it gets to a commercial or something where I finally realized, no, I can't really stay up all night and watch this. But you know, same kind of thing here at Scarlet's begonias just going on and on and on. And all of a sudden you hear that bow and you're like, okay.
here we go fire on the mountain jerry's get ready to come in and throw down into his thing and uh... you know keeping in mind of course it fire the mountain is a musically composed by mickey heart uh... and so you know this robert hunter lyrics but uh... that is a mickey tune uh... even though jerry just commands the tune in concert both on the musical side with his uh...
guitar playing and as the vocalist who's belting out the lyrics and keeps kind of going with you know the tone of his voice and how he does it and again we didn't get any of the lyrics during either Scarlet or Fire but if you go back and listen to this show I think you'll be really impressed with just how solid they were for both of those songs and how solid the full transition we just don't have enough time to play the six or seven minute transition from the end of Scarlet into the beginning of Fire on the Mountain and then of course
Larry (36:57.936)
the mountain has at least two very significant, very well played, very grateful dead at playing at their best instead of at their mediocre-est with fire on the mountain and everything else. And it's just...
a pleasure to listen to. It was always fun. The minute they came out and would open with Scarlett, you'd just say, here we go, boys, hang on. Right, just like the start of a help slip, Frank or a China rider. And you just know that no matter what else is going on in the world anywhere else, for the next 15, 20, 25 minutes, the Grateful Dead have you covered. And...
it never seemed long enough. It was always, no matter how long they would jam, and sometimes we'd just lose track of how long they were jamming, and we'd get into a type two jam, and we didn't call it that, of course, because we didn't know that that's what they were gonna be called, but we knew what they were. And you just look at it, what song are they still playing? I don't know, man, this jam is just so great. I'm having too good of a time. And then they'd swing back around and be like, yes, it's Fire on the Mountain, that's what they're playing. I'm happy to remember, and I love that tune, so it's all good. And...
just a classic way to see the start of a Grateful Dead show. It took me to my seventh, I think, seventh or eighth, or seventh Grateful Dead show to finally see A Scarlet Fire. It was at Poplar Creek, a long gone music theater in the western suburbs of Chicago that was a lot better than Tinley Park, much easier to get to, much nicer all the way around, better venue, better hill, better everything. But they got rid of it and Sears
either own the property or develop the property and put some little arena on there for smaller hockey teams to play in and some concerts but nothing like a good night at Poplar Creek was always a lot of fun and uh
Larry (38:45.974)
very much missed, but that's where I saw my seventh show. My buddy Harold and I had set out on the tail end of the Midwest tour and caught them in Madison, Wisconsin, went up to St. Paul, and then came back down to see the two final shows at Poplar Creek. And the first night they played Scarlet Fire to open the second set. And for me, that was just, you know, there's a few moments in my Grateful Dead career that are really hard to top in terms of just how incredible
those moments where the physical high, the mental high, the elation, the joy, the oh my God, I'm hearing the song that I've been waiting forever to hear, forever being defined up to that point as six shows of course. But they just came out and they just smoked on it that night and it was just incredible.
It's funny because the lawn at Poplar Creek is significantly smaller than the lawn both at Tinley Park and the huge lawn up at Alpine Valley. But it was 1984 and the first show that we saw in Madison was in the Dane County Coliseum. We walked in as the lights were going out, the whole back half of the floor was completely empty. Seats all over the place that were empty. The show up in St. Paul was also not full at the St. Paul Civic Center. There were seats all over the place.
and room to hang out in these shows at Poplar Creek and
it did matter because you could get too close to the stage because everybody crowded in but our good buddy jannet got us great tickets and we saw scarlet begonias fire the mountain but for that we went up on the lawn it was so empty we were like practically doing cartwheels up there we were so happy and then the next that we got to help slip frank it was just wonderful and uh... a great thing to see but i digress because we're going back a little too far in time there uh... gotta keep our focus on where we're at today and uh... what we're gonna do right now is uh...
Larry (40:38.742)
turn around and talk a little bit of marijuana. And as always, Dan's got his little marijuana related clip ready to go and let's see who it is this week.
Larry (41:16.886)
Yes, the late great Amy Winehouse and her song Addicted. So I guess it's fair to say that everybody sneaked a butter too from a roommate at one time or another, but it's just good manners to replace whatever you've taken in a timely fashion in the song. She sings right when you smoke all my weed, man. You gots to call the green man.
This is a bonus track that was included on the expanded version of her 2006 album, Back to Black, making it extremely clear she wasn't playing either. I used to smoke a lot of weed, the late singer told Rolling Stone in 2007, I suppose if you have an addictive personality, then you go from one poison to the other. Perhaps she should have stuck with weed four years later. Of course, very sadly, Amy was found dead in her home, a result of alcohol poisoning with a blood alcohol content of more than five times.
the legal driving limit and it's very sad it was a tragedy i never saw any wine house uh... in concert would have loved to uh... she was a performer who in many respects was bigger than life with her physical appearance in her hair all kind of up and her very brassy voice and just you know get out there and you know from uh... we all know the rehab song i ain't gonna go to rehab no and you know she was laying down the law she was telling people what she meant what she felt in
You know, unfortunately, maybe going to rehab would have been a good thing, but you know, she was an artist and a performer, and she had to live the way she wanted to live, and I got nothing but love and praise for Amy Winehouse, and just love that, you know, in all of this, she could sing a little bit of song about the green stuff. And so, hats off to Amy, hats off to Dan for some more fun stuff. And today we basically have just a day of good marijuana stories, a day of good marijuana news, a day of...
to really stop and reflect on why we love marijuana. And one of the reasons that people either love or don't love marijuana, I suppose, depending on your own particular circumstances, is that as we all know, traditionally marijuana causes the munchies, right? So that's why every joker in the world talks about, oh, you're gonna see dispensaries, and then a trail of empty Cheeto bags leading out and around the city and stuff like that, because everybody gets the munchies. We all hear the stories of the Girl Scouts when they're selling their Girl Scout cookies who go lying.
Larry (43:34.54)
up just outside of a dispensary.
Larry (43:41.834)
You know, it's funny, good for them. They're smart, they know exactly what they're doing. And, you know, of course that's what you wanna do. But why do we get the munchies? You know, what's really behind the munchies that's really triggering this and causing all of this? Well, according to Marijuana Moments, thank you guys, for the first time scientists have identified exactly what happens in the brain after using marijuana that causes the munchies. A new federally funded study shows researchers at Washington State University published
in the journal Scientific Reports, revealing how cannabis activates a specific cluster of neurons in the hypothalamus region of the brain that stimulates appetite.
The hunger-inducing effects of marijuana have been well understood by consumers, but now the results of the new animal research offers insights that can help lead to the development of targeted therapeutics for people with conditions such as anorexia and obesity, meaning hopefully we can find a way to turn the munchies on or turn the munchies off. After mice were exposed to vaporized cannabis, researchers used calcium imaging technology, similar to a brain MRI, to track changes in neuron activity. They found that marijuana vapor
to cannabinoid 1 receptors in the brain and activated so-called feeding neurons in the hypothalamus region called agouti-related protein neurons. When mice are given cannabis, neurons come on that typically are not active, said a professor of neuroscience at Washington State University in a press release. There's something important happening in the hypothalamus after vapor cannabis.
We now know of the ways that the brain responds to recreational type cannabis to promote appetite, he said. Put in more scientific terms, the study showed pharmacological activation of CB1R, attenuated inhibitory synaptic tone onto hunger promoting agouti-related peptide neurons with the MBH or medial basal hypothalamus.
Larry (45:44.854)
Based on these results, we conclude that MBH neurons contribute to the appetite stimulatory properties of inhaled cannabis. Importantly, the study involved vaporized whole plant marijuana rather than injected THC as in prior animal research. So the findings are believed to be more accurately, to more accurately depict brain activity that's applicable to people who consume cannabis. The study was also partly funded by federal agencies, the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.
agriculture, researchers also receive funding from alcohol-related state revenue. The phenomena of munchies has long intrigued scientists. A 2019 study, for example, found that sales have commonly munched on products like ice cream, cookies, and chips tend to go up after states legalize cannabis. Well, of course they do.
Despite that, a 2022 study determined that adults' use legalization is actually associated with decreased levels of obesity, the plight, the fact that cannabis is a well-known appetite stimulator. Last year, a meta-analysis also found that people who use marijuana are about half as likely to develop type 2 diabetes. So yeah, we've got that going for us too, you know, a stoner, so that's always a good thing, and we're happy to know about that.
And I think people are. People are buying marijuana more and more. Missouri, we talked about Illinois the other day at 1.6 billion, setting a record. Well, Missouri, whose program is two years younger, with their December sales, just pushed past $1.3 billion for sales in 2023.
just unbelievable. Adult use marijuana sales reached approximately 1.4 billion dollars, 106.5 million in adult use cannabis sales in December, breaking the previous record of 98.7 million set in July. Medical cannabis sales for the year were at about 3.02 million, so on top of the other amount for the 1.04 billion for adult use.
Larry (47:48.478)
2023, it was predicted by MJ Biz and this is MJ Biz stuff, thank you guys. They predicted 800 million in recreational sales and 500 million in medical cannabis for a total of 1.3 billion. The disparity between adult use and medical suggests that Missouri medical cannabis patients are transitioning more quickly to adult use dispensaries. It also means that Missouri is actually rolling out a number of these adult use dispensaries, which is the model that Illinois has not yet successfully
Larry (48:18.372)
billion dollars in sales, it's not that much more than Missouri's total sales for a program that's significantly farther behind in its overall development. And that's something that Illinois should be concerned about and should really be making an effort to get as many of these dispensaries out there so that we can start to see similar comparable results in Illinois, meaning given the number of citizens in the state of Illinois and the demographics, meaning when they look at it, the expected numbers of how many people may be buying marijuana.
Illinois should be.
the third largest market in the country behind California and New York. New York's having a little trouble getting off the ground as we know. So that should really make Illinois number two for the time being. Um, but they just haven't quite gotten it all together yet. We're working on it and we're moving in the right direction. And we are now starting to get some new independent dispensaries and craft grow cultivation centers that are making their appearance on the scene. And, uh, you know, hopefully soon we will see the results in significantly increased business in the state of Illinois.
But this is just really, really huge. And what's interesting is that cross-border demand continues to play a role in Missouri, which launched its adult sales use in February. Remember, so really just barely a year ago. And retail outlets bordering Arkansas, Kansas, and Oklahoma are seeing a steady growth of business. Missouri marijuana dispensaries are seeing customers travel from Illinois.
where adult use cannabis has been available since January 2020, but it's taxed more heavily. We've always said that it's overpriced.
Larry (49:58.154)
people who live in southern Illinois are driving into Missouri to make their dispensary purchases. And Missouri, on top of all of that, is poised to add more retail capacity this year through an additional round of microbusiness licenses. So, you know, Missouri's pushing it too and they're really trying to get there and for the most part they've just done an absolutely outstanding job and it has to be recognized and, you know, Missouri gets all the credit and they deserve it on this because they've just been a model success story on how to get
cannabis up and running and doing it in a way that allows maximum exposure to their market so that they can be coming up with sales that are rivaling those of markets that are larger than theirs and significantly more established. So hats off to Missouri for doing that and I enjoy going to their dispensaries when I'm down there visiting family. And I hope to tell.
Just keep getting better and better too. And we will look forward to that. Finally, I really have three stories. We don't have time to get on with all of them.
But we do have time just to start listing what they are, and I think you're gonna notice a very good trend here, and one we've all been waiting to see for a long time. UFC formally removes marijuana from banned substance lists for professional fighters. The Ultimate Fighting Championship announced this past week that it is formally removing marijuana from its newly modified banned substance list for athletes building on earlier reform.
They say that the modeling list, it is modeling its list of prohibitive drugs on the World Anti-Doping Agency, WADA, which has controversially maintained cannabis as banned substance. It is making amendments based on historical findings.
Larry (51:44.714)
by various organizations as they go along the way. Now, professional fighters were largely protected from being penalized over testing positive for THC under a policy change the UFC adopted in 2021, but now it is removing cannabis as a banned drug altogether. UFC's goal for the anti-doping policy is to be the best, most effective and most progressive anti-doping program in all of professional sports, it's Chief of Business Officer Hunter Campbell said in a press release. Okay, that's story number one.
Story number two, NCAA Division I devote on removing marijuana from bad substance list for student athletes. Hallelujah, it is about damn time. New college athletic proposal would remove marijuana from the list of substances included in drug screenings for NCAA championship competitions with officials set to vote on the matter in June.
Proponents say the approach is consistent with designing rules to focus on reducing harm rather than punishing student athletes. The plan would build on a 2022 change that increased the allowable THC thresholds for college athletes, aligning NCAA rules with those of, the group we just talked about, the World Anti-Doping Agency, WADA. The latest proposal would effectively treat marijuana more like alcohol. While the NCAA doesn't intend for the change to promote cannabis use, the substance isn't believed to give competitors
an unfair advantage in sports. Cannabis is not a performance enhancing drug and we determined the drugs testing conducted in NCAA championships should focus on substances that impact competitive out-
uh... outcomes said pat chun who's the athletics director at washington state and chair of the strategic vision and planning committee uh... he said this in a statement last week to be clear this is not mean that nca members condona promote use of cannabinoids however rather than focusing on testing and subsequently penalizing student athletes who use the ncaa efforts should focus on harm reduction strategy so what a substances like alcohol
Larry (53:39.966)
Thank God again, folks, here we go, right? This is somebody who's speaking with a level head and who's recognizing the things that we talk about all the time here, which is that athletes aren't tested for alcohol, which is much worse for them.
uh... very problematic and meanwhile they're getting suspended and find it all sorts of stuff freezing marijuana which is substantially safer and we have switch generally is not uh... a uh... competitive advantage now get we've talked about on the show there are people out there who say that you know sometimes especially for marathon ultra marathon events you know whether it's you know running eighty miles or ninety miles through
the Mojave Desert or whether it's riding your bike for...
a thousand miles, people who go out to break these endurance records and all sorts of stuff. There have been stories linked to the fact that smoking marijuana or using cannabis can be beneficial in terms of relaxing your mind and letting you focus on the task at hand without basically freaking over about, oh my God, I've just run five miles, I still have 95 to go or whatever it is. But I think that what they're really talking about is that you don't see somebody step onto the basketball court or the football field or the baseball field or the tennis court.
into the swimming pool and start performing better because they've been smoking marijuana, just like we don't expect them to perform better because they may have had a beer the night before if they're 21 and they drink a beer. So I see this as a very good thing. It's great to always see that the NCAA is finding ways to keep its hands off of its student athletes in terms of restricting rights and telling them what they can and cannot do. And for too long, we've seen student athletes who at their core are college students
Larry (55:23.844)
college students do and they should be able to enjoy their college experience safely, responsibly, but still enjoy it nonetheless and hopefully this will go a long way towards allowing that to happen. And one more from marijuana moment that we'll just throw out there because this is good stuff. The NFL is partnering on a new study using CBD to treat pain and protect from concussions. The National Football League is partnering with Canadian researchers on a clinical trial
Larry (55:54.104)
and neuroprotection from concussions, key issues for many football players who experience injuries as part of the game. The phase one trial will involve 35 people who will receive either a placebo or CBD-rich cannabis extract to test whether it's safe, well-tolerated, and without adverse physiological and psychological dysfunction for daily use. The NFL has committed hundreds of thousands of dollars to research, investigating,
the therapeutic potential of the non-intoxicating cannabinoid in recent years, including funding for studies of CBD as potential opioid alternatives. For the study, researchers at the University of Regina in Canada will collaborate with the NFL to identify the optimal dose of cannabidiol that can be safely consumed on a daily basis. Participants who receive the CBD will start with 5 milligrams per kilogram of body weight, and that will generally increase to 30 milligrams per kilogram of body weight.
anti-inflammatory and neuroprotection of the CBD formulation to determine whether it can be used on a daily basis safely during the periods of intensive exercise training during the offseason prior to competition.
Spoiler alert, the answer is going to be that yes, it can be used safe. We know this Rafael from Mishulam from Israel made this discovery, uh, 30, 40, 50 years ago when people had not even heard about CBD, didn't even realize that it existed and still just thought of marijuana as this planted for some reason, if you smoke it, uh, is going to get you wacky. Um, so it's great to see the NFL doing this. Um, and great that they will get to that point. Uh, I believe there was a story we covered a few years back about the Pittsburgh Steelers having a trainer. Uh,
used incorporated CBD into training regiments for athletes who had incurred concussions on the field and they were reporting that the athletes were returning to the playing field were being cleared for returning to play a lot faster with fewer negative side effects and I think that that's an important thing anytime we can help these athletes go out there. We've talked about the professional football players who got hooked on all the painkillers
Larry (58:00.096)
so that they would keep being able to perform and go out on the field each week even if they were in pain and suffering and of course their playing career resented but not their dependency on those meds and horrible terrible stories from Jim McMahon and on through all these hockey players and football players and other athletes who just one after another tell the same story about how life on those drugs after sports was crap and they all got fat they all got lazy and
lost the will to get out of bed in the morning and to move on and to do, you know, whatever they needed to do. And then they switched to marijuana. They found they were still getting more or less the same level of pain relief, but without all the crap and all the negativity that comes along with the opioids that they had previously been hooked on and helped them switch off of the opioids and onto the marijuana, which as we've constantly talked about on this show is incredibly safer than any of those.
painkillers and any alcohol or anything else that somebody might take to help control or manage their pain if they're a professional athlete. But the big issue always was that an athlete couldn't smoke because THC stays in your system for 30 days and it's going to turn up and it was on it always on everybody's no list and now we're seeing a number of really some of the bigger names in sports the NFL the NCAA UFC fighting you know these are not small groups we've talked about baseball coming out and generally supporting CB
And that's okay, they don't have to get to marijuana yet, but they will get to marijuana. And the smart move is that such a large number of players, professional athletes, do enjoy smoking marijuana or using CBD as a way to help control their pain, to relax their mind after a big game or a stressful game, to help them bounce back from injuries, and any one of a number of different things that we've all talked about. So you're really kind of preaching to the choir when you're going back to athletes, both professional and collegiate, and saying,
you think it would be a good idea for you to smoke some marijuana or that it wouldn't be a bit, at least it's not a bad idea for you to smoke marijuana. Then we don't have to worry about whether, you know, swimmer Michael Phelps does or does not get caught during one of his off periods in between swimming competitions when he's back at the University of Michigan doing a bong hit in a fraternity house. And all of a sudden, that's the biggest news in the world and the poor guy is getting lambasted by everybody and has to apologize. And then all he did was go out and win another 10 or 15 gold medals. So screw everybody who won't just let the guy have a good time.
Larry (01:00:24.552)
You know the need to do that, but maybe we don't always so at any rate This is good news people are moving in the right direction We like to see that it's the way it should be And let's get back to our show really quickly here we now find ourselves deep into the second set and Jerry's getting ready to do his thing and On this next track one of his beautiful ballads again pay close attention to Jerry's voice as well as his strong guitar
playing and we'll see we'll talk about it on the back end. So here we go Dan.
Larry (01:02:37.13)
Yep, dust off the strings just one more time. Gonna make them shine. What I love about this is right...
i've stayed every blue light cheap hotel certainly as the years went on it got harder and harder for jerry to really hit those notes but here you know what we say in the in the still in the comeback period after his diabetic coma he's just he's flowing man he hit those notes is singing again was perfect spot on uh... strong and you know uh... very tuneful and uh... his playing afterwards with those sweet chords that he lays down uh... still blue is just a great song
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We love it. Jerry loved it. He played it over 328 times with the Grateful Dead. First time on June 17th, 1972 at the Hollywood Bowl in Los Angeles. And the final time was on July 6th, 1995 at the Riverport Amphitheater in Maryland Heights, Missouri just outside of St. Louis. So we're getting to the end of our show today. Time always seems to fly by. We got to read some, catch up on some good news about
Larry (01:03:53.136)
Some good news on groups that are going to be out there touring, who we're going to have a chance to see, Phil Lesh, and of course Bob Dylan, who's always just incredibly fun to see.
it's nice that they're still out there and they're still doing their thing and yeah you know maybe it's uh... time to pack it up but if they're still having a good time why bother and then of course live done the brothers doing their thing and hopefully they're gonna become big name that people we talked about and like i say i'm going to see with good buddy market a couple months and i will give you my review of uh... my thoughts on the band after that goes down
In the meantime, please be sure to tune in again next week for another fun-filled, exciting, and grateful, dead-ish episode of the Deadhead Cannabis Show. Thanks to Dan for all his help with the engineering work. Everybody have a great week. Be safe, enjoy your cannabis responsibly, and enjoy this final song from the show that we have been featuring today from the San Francisco Civic Center on January 29, 1987. Thanks everyone.