"Deadhead Adventures: From Minneapolis to Alpine Valley" Larry Mishkin delves into a nostalgic recount of a Grateful Dead concert he attended on June 17, 1988, in Minneapolis, part of their Midwest Summer Tour. He reminisces about attending the show with friends Mikey and JT, detailing their travel adventures and the concert's setlist, which included memorable performances of "Hell in a Bucket" and "Far From Me."
"Deadhead Adventures: From Minneapolis to Alpine Valley"
Larry Mishkin delves into a nostalgic recount of a Grateful Dead concert he attended on June 17, 1988, in Minneapolis, part of their Midwest Summer Tour. He reminisces about attending the show with friends Mikey and JT, detailing their travel adventures and the concert's setlist, which included memorable performances of "Hell in a Bucket" and "Far From Me."
Larry also shares personal anecdotes about his experiences following the Grateful Dead, including the challenges of balancing concert trips with his professional life and the thrill of attending multiple shows in a short span. He transitions into discussing the significance of the song "Hell in a Bucket," its debut, and its frequent performance as a show opener. He explains the concept of "Mondegreens," humorous misheard lyrics, using an example from a Grateful Dead song review.
The show revisits a story about a Phish fan who was initially banned from all Madison Square Garden Entertainment venues for smoking a bong at the Sphere. MSG later rescinded the ban, citing an internal error. Larry expresses surprise and amusement at the quick reversal and discusses the implications for fans.
Finally, Larry discusses the resale of Dead & Company tickets for their Las Vegas Sphere shows, noting that many are being sold at face value or below on cashertrade.org. He expresses mixed feelings about fans having to sell tickets at a loss but appreciates the platform's role in preventing scalping.
Grateful Dead
June 17, 2024 (36 years ago)
Met Center
Minneapolis, MN
Audience Tape
First show of the 1988 Midwest Summer Tour
With my good buddies Mikey and JT – weekend in Minny, Friday night show but had to stay until Sunday to fly home because if you stayed over a Saturday night, round trip airfare was much less expensive. Got home on Sunday and headed straight for Alpine Valley for the first of four shows S, M, W, Th. Each night headed home, slept for 4 hours, got up for work, left work at 3 p.m., ride the El to the middle of the Kennedy Expressway at Addison, hop in a car and drive straight up. Fight the crazy post show traffic in that horridlbe parking lot (unless you have one-armed Lary as your driver). Hardcore. My law firm didn’t know what to make of it. I got in four shows at home with no vacation days taken!
INTRO: Hell In A Bucket
Track #2
0:00 – 1:34
[From David Dowd]: The Bob Weir / John Barlow / Brent Mydland song “Hell in a Bucket” directly references the biker scene, and I’m sure that somehow Barlow just wanted to put that element into the band’s repertoire somehow. After all, there are plenty of outlaw elements sprinkled through the band’s songs.
“Bucket” debuted on May 13, 1983, at the Greek Theater in Berkeley. Alice Kahn wrote a review of the show, in which she promulgated one of the best-ever Mondegreens, referring to the song as “Police on a Joy Ride.” The song frequently featured as the show opener over the course of the next two-plus decades, although it wasn’t used in that role until about a year after its first performance. It was performed by the Dead for the final time on June 30, 1995, at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
“Hell in a Bucket” appeared on In the Dark, released in July 1987 (aka Touch of Grey album).
Played: 217 times
First: May 13, 1983 at William Randolph Hearst Greek Theatre, Berkeley, CA, USA
Last: June 30, 1995, at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
SHOW No. 1: Far From Me
Track #6
3:18 – 4:45
Brent Mydland
Go To Heaven (April 28, 1980)
Strong Brent tune. I saw them open the second set with it a my second show ever (also with my buddy Mikey) in the Carrier Dome on September 24, 1982, the night I got on the bus forever.
Played: 74 times
First: March 30, 1980 at Capitol Theatre, Passaic, NJ, USA
Last: July 22, 1990 at World Music Theatre, Tinley Park, IL, USA (the night before Brent’s last show). It died with him.
MUSIC NEWS:
SHOW No. 2: Victim Or The Crime (First time played)
Track #9
0:00 – 2:13 (long clip but it’s the first time played so I had to run with it)
Written by Bob Weir and Gerrit Graham
Garcia – “It's one of Weir's stunningly odd compositions, but it's also very adventurous. It's uncompromising; it's what it is, and the challenge of coming up with stuff to play that sounds intelligent in the context has been incredible, but also appropriately gnarly. I really wanted that part of it to work.I think we did a nice job on the record with it. It works. Whatever it is, it works. I'm real happy with it because it was one of those things that was like, "What are we going to do with this?" It's like having a monster brother that you lock in the attic. It's like a relative that you -- "God, I hope nobody comes over when he's eating...." But that's one of the things that makes the Grateful Dead fun.”
“The text of it -- I don't believe I've ever actually listened to all the words to it. Ever. I have the gist of it; by now I probably could recite it if I really had to, but the text of it is more of the same in a way, it doesn't have a whole lot of light in it. It's very dense, and it's angst-ridden to boot.”
Played 96 times, “Victim” debuted on June 17, 1988, at the Metropolitan Sports Center in Bloomington, Minnesota THIS SHOW. It remained in the rotation thereafter, and was played for the final time on July 2, 1995 at Deer Creek Music Center in Noblesville, Indiana.
SHOW No. 3: All Along The Watchtower
Track #19
1:22 – 3:22 (another long one but could not break up the jam)
"All Along the Watchtower" is a song by American singer-songwriter Bob Dylan from his eighth studio album, John Wesley Harding (1967). The song was written by Dylan and produced by Bob Johnston.
Covered by numerous artists, "All Along the Watchtower" is strongly identified with the interpretation Jimi Hendrix recorded with the Jimi Hendrix Experience for their third studio album, Electric Ladyland (1968). The Hendrix version, released six months after Dylan's original recording, became a Top 20 single in 1968, received a Grammy Hall of Fame award in 2001, and was ranked 48th in Rolling Stone magazine's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time in 2004 (40th in the 2021 version). Dylan first played the song live in concert on the Bob Dylan and the Band 1974 Tour, his first tour since 1966. His live performances have been influenced by Hendrix's cover, to the extent that they have been called covers of a cover. The singer has performed the song live more than any of his other ones, with over 2,250 recitals.
I always loved the Dead’s cover of this tune. As you heard in the clip, it is a rocking tune and Jerry would really jam hard on it. Great snappy second set tune that would always get the crowd moving in the next gear.
Played: 118 times
First: June 20, 1987 at William Randolph Hearst Greek Theatre, Berkeley, CA, USA
Last: June 22, 1995 at Knickerbocker Arena, Albany, NY, USA
MJ NEWS
SHOW No. 4: Black Peter
Track #20
1:36 – 3:11
Garcia/Hunter tune released on Workingman’s Dead in 1970.
Robert Hunter was not afraid of death; he experienced it a thousand times over. The American musician composed the lyrics to many of The Grateful Dead’s most successful songs and played an essential role in curating the band’s mythos, one that saw the psychedelic rock outfit earn hordes of dedicated fans, or ‘deadheads’. One such song was ‘Black Peter’ – written for the band’s 1970 album Workingman’s Dead.
By 1969, The Dead were practically synonymous with the liberal drug culture of the hippie era. In the June of that year, Robert Hunter and the gang were given a glass of apple juice laced with “probably a full gram of crystal LSD … worth perhaps $50,000.” The intense trip that followed would completely reinvigorate Hunter’s understanding of death and influence his subsequent lyrics for ‘Black Peter’. Bassist Phil Lesh would later recall tasting the LSD in the juice after a single sip: “I wish you could be where I am right now—it’s so beautiful,” he told drummer Mickey Hart, “but I couldn’t possibly play music now. I don’t even know what music is.” Still, there was a job to do, so the band played anyway.
In the ‘80’s and ‘90’s, one of Jerry’s rotating post-drums second set ballads along with Morning Dew, Wharf Rat and Stella Blue. This version was one of the highlights of this show. Jerry’s voice is strong if not a bit “ragged” around the edges just the way Deadheads liked it, with just enough emotion to really convey the song’s meaning and its statement about the end of life.
Played: 351 times
First: December 4, 1969 at Fillmore West, San Francisco, CA, USA
Last: June 22, 1995 at Knickerbocker Arena in Albany, NY
OUTRO: Black Muddy River
Track #23
4:09 – 5:55
Played: 66 times
First: December 15, 1986 at Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena, Oakland, CA, USA
Last: July 9, 1995 at Soldier Field, Chicago, Il – looked like it was going to the last song of the show (encore) and the last song of the difficult summer tour. Turns out, it could have been the last song ever played in concert by the Dead, until Phil stepped in to leave everyone with a smile on their face and no bad taste in their mouths with a great second encore Box of Rain which then became the last song ever played by the Dead in concert.
By contrast, this version is outstanding with strong playing and singing by Jerry. And, with the show practically on the banks of the Mississippi, it was a geographically appropriate song for the venue.
Mikey, JT and I rolled off into the night, a crazy weekend in Minny, and then the next four shows on the tour at Alpine. Ah, to have the kind of energy again, even if just for a night. Thank you psychedelics!!
Enjoy the Summer Solstice and the beginning of summer.
Larry (00:26.772)
hello everyone welcome to another episode of the deadhead cannabis show i'm larry michigan of michigan law in chicago coming to you live from my office in lovely northfield elinor we have a beautiful day going outside the sun is shining looking forward to getting out there this evening for a nice walk around the block and taking advantage of this good weather that we just don't get enough of
Boy is there so much going on today and in fact we were supposed to have a guest today. We talked about Andres Kirchner joining us on the show. We are still going to have Andres but due to some scheduling difficulties we are going to postpone him for a couple of weeks but we will get him on soon. We thank Andres for his understanding and patience as we get him on the show and look forward to everything that he can share with us at that time. He's got a great background and we're very excited to have an opportunity to speak with him very, very soon.
very soon. Today, though, I've got all sorts of stuff to talk about. So with all due respect to Andres, I'm just going to ramble on and talk what I always like to talk about. The Grateful Dead, June 17th, 2024, 36 years ago today. Assuming you're listening on Monday, June 17th, 2024. And I didn't mean 2024. That's today. I meant 1988, actually. 36 years ago today. OK, yeah, 1988.
36 years ago today of June 17th, 2024. Right. We all got it. This is an audience tape from the Met Center in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It's the first show of the 1988 Midwest Summer Tour.
and i was lucky enough to be there with my good buddies mikey and j t mikey of course is my good buddy who took me to my first edge of my second edge of my third dead show that a whole bunch of dead shows after that including this one j t is my good buddy from chicago who i've known forever and he was also always a big big one for like a dead get up and move around and see the dead it both at home and on the road he and i had many a fun getaway to see the grateful dead in all sorts of places and on this particular
Larry (02:29.83)
Friday night we found ourselves in lovely Minneapolis. It was a Friday night show but the whole gig was we were actually there for the whole weekend because back in the day if you stayed over a Saturday night your round -trip airfare was significantly less expensive so we decided it would given the price differential it was worth it just stay until Sunday and then fly home which was fine we got home on a Sunday headed straight to Alpine Valley for the first of four shows Sunday Monday Wednesday and Thursday each night headed home slept four hours got up for work left work at 3 p rode the L to the
the middle of the Kennedy Expressway at Addison, hop in a car and drive straight up the highway to Alpine Valley in East Troy, Wisconsin, fight the crazy post -show traffic in that horrible parking lot, unless you have one -armed Larry as your driver, because he knows how to get out of there better than anybody. This was hardcore. My law firm didn't know what to make of it. I got in four shows at home with no vacation days, taking shows in another state, I should say. I'm living in Chicago, Illinois. These shows are up in Wisconsin. I could do that kind of stuff back in the day. But let's see how this show starts.
started out because it was a really good one. The show opener, the tour opener. Here we go.
Larry (05:08.02)
yes helen a bucket one of the new songs to quickly became an old song as soon as some new new songs came out and
the late eighties and we're all sitting there wondering, you guys don't play St. Stephen enough, why the hell are you coming out with even new tunes? But Hell in a Bucket was one of those that grew on you and you just got used to seeing it at shows because you would see it a lot. They'd open with it, they'd throw it in the middle of a first set, sometimes you'd see it in a second set. When you're at Red Rocks, we saw them go from Scarlet Bagonia's into Hell in a Bucket. So they were always having a little bit of fun with it and moving it around. It was a Bobby tune, they made a great music video out of it because when these albums came out in the late eighties, MTV was
kicking butt and everybody made music videos even the Grateful Dead I recall it as being kind of a video but you know they gave it their best shot it just wasn't their style necessarily here's what David Dowd had to say about the song the Bob Weird John Barlow Brent Midland song Helena Bucket directly references the biker scene and I'm sure that somehow Barlow just wanted to put that element into the band's repertoire somehow after all there are plenty of elements sprinkled throughout the band songs
Bucket debuted on May 13th, 1983 at the Greek Theater in Berkeley, California. Alice Kahn wrote a review of the show in which she promulgated one of the best ever Mondagreens referring to the song as Police on a Joyride. Now, let me just go back and say a couple of things there. For those of you who don't know, a Mondagreen is when you substitute in words for a lyric that you just don't quite understand, but based on what you're hearing, it makes sense to you. So at least I'm enjoying the ride, Police on a Joyride, I don't know.
I've heard this story for years. I always figured she must have asked some stone deadhead who just thought it would be funny to give her a funny name and see if she ran with it, and she did.
Larry (06:54.868)
But there's all sorts of Mondo Greens out there for bands like The Grateful Dead and Fish and all of that, because there's just some of these lyrics that you can hear the song a million times and you never quite get it. And then all of a sudden you read it somewhere and you're like, yeah, well sure, that makes a lot of sense now. I didn't know why I didn't get it back then. And Mondo Green also happens to be the name of the Big Fish Festival going down in Delaware later this summer in mid -August that I'm going to be lucky enough to tend with my son and his buddies who are taking me along to introduce me to
to the heavy side of fish when you go to these festivals and you immerse yourself into the culture and nothing but the culture for four straight days. So we'll see if I can hold up and how it all goes down, but looking forward to it. And we'll find out if fish doesn't throw a few mondergrins our way just to prop up the weekend and play off of the.
off of the theme of the show but yes police on a joyride in fact a few years later there was an article in the chicago tribune and i can't tell you that was alice kahn because i don't remember her writing for the chicago tribune it was definitely before greg kotser because greg's a long -time writer on the tribune and i don't think he'd make that kind of a mistake but you know we always used to feel like the like the the local newspapers the tribune in the sun times it was almost like they got somebody who is guaranteed to know absolutely nothing about the grateful dead to go out and write the reviews of the shows they would
always get the names of the songs wrong and you know they would they would like pick up on things like look there were people wearing tie -dye t -shirts and we don't you're not saying anything about the concert and
you know we all want to go in there and say let me do it but i thought why bother i'm having too good of a time at the show i need to go around around the problem with being a journalist i knew cuz i'd tried in college for a while is that when you go backstage you know look i get to go interview garcia or we're whatever they're having a bad night if they're not feeling well if whatever you know you're just some pesky kid reporter whoever you might see a side of them that you never wanted to see and that certainly happened with me with some athletes and coaches and stuff like that and you know i'm glad i had the experiences that i
Larry (08:55.91)
I did in my journalism days. But I'm also kind of glad that I'm seeing these events now from the perspective of the audience and really getting to enjoy it that way. I can voice my own opinions and not worry about showing bias or anything like that. And I can listen to what other people try to say and then disagree with them instead of a whole bunch of people disagreeing with me. So back to Helen a bucket.
We said that it debuted on May 13th, 83 at the Greek Theater in Berkeley, California. The song was, we said, frequently featured as a show opener over the course of the next two plus decades. Although it wasn't used in that role about a year after its first performance, it was performed by the dead for the final time on June 30th, 1995 at Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Helen Bucket did appear on In the Dark, released in July 1987.
aka the touch of gray album and yes if you know that was your first exposure to the great full dead that you got there by way of touch of gray i got there by way of trucking and friend of the devil maybe uncle john's band which were the dead tunes that received any kind of airplay where i was growing up it was going up in st louis and the middle eight seventies and early nineteen eighties
So you just weren't getting a lot of Grateful Dead radio exposure like you were every other band. And it always amazes me when they have these 70s or 80s flashbacks and they just drop on one of these tunes, like Meat Loaf for instance, that I haven't heard in years. All of a sudden I can pick right up on the lyrics and sing along with it word for word and it kind of scares me because I don't ever remember sitting down and making any kind of a conscious effort to learn the words to these songs. And yet here they are and now when I say, I'm gonna sit down and learn the words to
Dylan's Ballad of a Thin Man that go on for like four pages. I'm like, no, there's no way I have the ability to do that kind of thing. But, nevertheless.
Larry (10:55.124)
Hell in a Bucket, a great tune from a very fun period of the Grateful Dead. So fun that we all got over ran it. I know I used the word we sparingly there because I had only gotten on the bus in 1982. So for me it was only about a four or five year swing, maybe just a six year swing before Touch of Grey came out and all of a sudden everywhere they were playing was giant stadium, soldier field, the biggest places they could find. And if not then always the big outdoor sheds.
of ever seeing them again in a place like Red Rocks was long gone. Luckily, as I say, I got a little bit of time in before that all happened. But on the other hand, the good part about it was is that you could go anywhere and everywhere and people were deadheads all the time and you no longer felt like you were kind of like standing out and therefore becoming the lightning rod for everything related. this guy must smoke marijuana if he likes the Grateful Dead. Must do LSD, must this, must that. And you're like, come on, guys. Yeah, I do all that, but I like the Grateful Dead just because I like the Grateful Dead, right?
not the other way around. But yep, that was good stuff. And speaking of good stuff, we're gonna dip into the next song I wanna feature from this show. It's a Brent Midland tune, and it's always got a special place in my heart.
Larry (13:41.14)
Far from me from the Go To Heaven album that was released on April 28th, 1980. A very strong Brent tune that I always really liked a lot. First time I saw it was my second show ever. They opened the second set with it.
I was also on another show, I was out with my good buddy Mikey in the Carrier Dome in Syracuse on September 24th, 1982, the night that I got on the bus forever. And this is what they opened the second set with. Now, in all fairness, they closed the first set with China Ryder, so it wasn't like we didn't get the good double -tune jam type of thing. We just got a little bit early at that point. In my first dead show, they closed the first set with trucking, they closed this.
first set with China Ryder. I still hadn't even heard a deal or anything like that yet, which of course would come down the road. But Far From Me was just a great song. I was still learning everything about The Grateful Dead at that time and couldn't say that anything one way or another was my favorite tune yet. And I had no sense of the order of songs, so it didn't occur to me that it might be out of order opening the second set. But I fell in love with it because I fell in love with that entire show.
right from top to bottom with a jack straw opener, china rider closer, second set open with far for me with a
playing crazy fingers throwing stones into the drums in space. I know this isn't the show we're featuring today, but I'm just reminiscing for a minute, so sorry. Came out of the space into Iko Iko, which was probably at that point my peak high moment in life, catching that Iko, which I had never heard before and only had just become vaguely familiar with. Another truckin', so all of a sudden I'm two for two on truckin'. They throw in a golden down the road, Black Peter around and around, Sugar Magnolia, that's five songs going into the drums, six songs coming out of it.
Larry (15:29.172)
broke down palace what a great night but the far from me just really resonated with me and i always loved it you know it's i think the bread i think he felt sometimes like he was you know could never get over the idea of being the new guy in that you know it was hard to get credit or something but you know i know there was a whole group of us out there that really love that music we love that song we like a lot of his other songs too you know that's just great whenever you get to hear it this happened to be a night in
minnesota we got to hear it again with my good buddy mikey this time it wound up in the middle of the first set actually right to show we heard it open with a hell in a bucket there was a great sugary a really great minglewood and roe jimmy into this they went on to do masterpiece althea and we'll get some of the other tunes here in a second
but just a lot of fun up there in Minnesota at the Mets Center. Not necessarily the greatest venue in the world to see a show, but certainly not the worst by any means. And for Mikey, JT and I, we were just having a great night all around, so it didn't really matter all that much. And really enjoyed the idea of not just traveling, but that I knew I was gonna be coming back and rushing up to Alpine to catch four more, so it was gonna basically be.
Five shows over seven days, which you know may have been my peak concentration Throughout the entire time. I was a deadhead, but you know you just know you're you're coming off of something great And you're about to head into something great it all revolves around the dead and you're good friends and all of that kind of stuff And it was always a wonderful wonderful thing Now we're gonna branch off for a couple of minutes here
And we're going to jump into music news because we've got some good and interesting stories going on here. And as we make that jump, Dan, what do you got for us?
Larry (17:40.212)
Yeah, we will rock you from Queen, that wonderful British rock band, on their 1987 album, News of the World. It was written by guitarist Brian May. Rolling Stone ranked it number 330 on their 500 Greatest Songs of All Time in 2024. And it was placed on number 146 on the Songs of the Century in 2001. In 2009, it was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame. Other than the last 30 seconds, which contains May's excellent guitar solo, the song is generally
Set in an acapella form using only stomping and clapping as a rhythmic body percussion beat.
so in seventy seven we were rocky when we are the champions were issued together as a worldwide top ten single and many radio stations just played the two songs consecutively without interruption leading to some confusion as to whether they were one song or two songs you hear we will rock you all the time when the stadiums were trying to get you know the fans rocked in rolling in your to support their team and you hear we are the champions whenever your team won the world series of the super bowl or whatever it was and you know in some respects
it never really does get old, but in other respects, you can only hear it so many times before it gets to you. But that's always some great lead in music. Thank you to Dan, and by the way,
just for those out there who are keeping score at home and may want to know this, today, which is actually June 12th, happens to be Dan's birthday. So we never like to pass by without shouting happy birthday to our good friend and producer, Mr. Humiston, without whom this podcast would never exist. And he's probably 45 or something and just likes to be shy and not ever tell anybody anything else. So we're going to run with that until Carson corrects us otherwise. But happy birthday to Dan.
Larry (19:25.364)
and thank you for everything that you do for this show and for helping us get out such great stuff every week good now that we've sufficiently embarrassed him we can move on and we can we're gonna revisit revisit this story right now because last week you know i didn't quite know what to make of it as you may recall last week we told the story of the fish head who was at the fish show and decided to rip the first bong ever in the sphere which wasn't enough for him he took a picture he took videos of it he posted it on his social
media site or whatever you do with these things when you send them around to the world. And he specifically targeted the band and Madison Square Garden Entertainment, a group again that owns the Sphere. And as we told you about a week later...
He gets a letter from MSG Entertainment saying, dear sir, thanks for bringing this to our attention. You violated every one of our rules for legal rules and good sportsmanship and whatever else they wanted to slap him around with. And basically told them that that's it. You are indefinitely suspended from all of our music venues. Well, this isn't just the Sphere or Madison Square Garden, but included the Beacon Theater. It may have included...
The Capitol Theater, I don't remember. I know it included the Chicago Theater in Chicago, which surprised me. I didn't realize that was part of the chain. But these are a lot of theaters to be barred from. And you know.
The guy didn't really seem all that bummed out. We talked about, hey, you know, look, at a minimum, at least he's the cool dude that can always say he ripped the first bong ever in the sphere. Although we weren't 100 % certain that that was accurate, but I'm gonna accept it on faith. After all this guy's gone through, he deserves it. Last week, just last week, Madison Square Garden Entertainment put the, well, the ban on the guy, and we told him after he had posted it, well, guess what?
Larry (21:21.492)
I'm sorry. In the latest development, Madison Square Garden Entertainment has redacted the veto, citing it as an error resulting from a breakdown in our process. Now this is fascinating to me as an attorney.
I've said that I thought that them, you know, vetoing him out forever was a little bit on the harsh side. They could have called him out, they could have given him a one month suspension, you know, but they went straight to DEFCON 5 and they just said, that's it, you're out forever. Okay, and you're like, well, what are you gonna do? Less than a week, they come back and they tell us, it was an error resulting from a breakdown in our process. Now, you just have to say,
It's a little funny and it's a little embarrassing. Madison Square Garden Entertainment is not your local mom and pop shop when it comes to producing plays in the backyard with your grandson playing ukulele. This is the real deal. You know, these are the boys from the East Coast. They know how to do this stuff. So on Saturday, June 8th, the Fallacy was acknowledged when the official spokesperson of Sphere Entertainment commented, quote, there was a breakdown in our process due to a change in personnel, which resulted in the letter sent.
in the letter being sent inadvertently. This customer is not banned from our properties. However, it is still against our policies, which are in accordance with local laws to smoke, bring glassware into our venues, and disrupt other fans' enjoyments of the event's close quote. Wow. Let's break this down for a minute. There was a breakdown in our process doing a change in personnel, which resulted in the letter being sent. So what they're telling us is they didn't mean to send the letter, right? Which means...
ripping a bong hid in the sphere apparently is not sufficient grounds to get you kicked out. Now, I'm not telling you I'm gonna try and sneak a bong in there, but what's the message you're really sending here, guys? I mean, you know, and then when he goes on to say, well, it's still against our policy, no, it's not. You're giving this guy a complete pass, you just told us that the letter to ban him permanently was inadvertently sent out due to a change in personnel, somebody who didn't know better, right? Which must mean your policy is,
Larry (23:38.1)
Now if you rip a bong head in there, we're okay. So that's the good news, you know, and even better news for this guy, now he's a hero's hero. Not only did he get the first bong rip in the sphere, but he got the ban, and then he won, apparently without even having to file an appeal. This is great stuff. I'd hire him as my attorney, you know, the next time I get a bad ruling, because this guy, this is just amazing. You know, I don't know how that happened or how they got this pulled out, but.
But folks, this is a really, really good thing. I am very impressed, and I am impressed with MSG Entertainment for being on top of this and recognizing a mistake and coming out and acknowledging it. But you just can't walk away from this with any feeling other than bong rips in the sphere are not really a prohibited thing. And we'll have to see.
And I would assume that would apply to all their properties, right, that we were talking about before Madison Square Garden, Radio City Music Hall, and it mentioned the Beacon Theater, Chicago Theater, Sphere, other MSG venues, maybe not the Capitol Theater. Is that Howard Shapiro? I don't know who has all of these. I can't keep track of them all. But at any rate, that's a good story. That's a feel -good story. We never like it with one of our own who's going out to see these shows, gets themselves in trouble, even if they are.
acting a little bit silly or a little too out in the open and kind of asking for it as it were. But this just has a great story and a great ending all the way around. Speaking of the Sphere, you make of this whatever you want to make of this. I don't know what to make of this because it just doesn't seem right to me. But Denin Company's Sphere tickets are listed for face value or below on cash or trade. Denin Company has announced 24 dates at the Las Vegas Sphere.
Many fans secretly bought tickets. Now some can't attend and are selling their tickets at face value or less on cashertrade .org built by fellow deadheads in 2009 to protect fans from scalp tickets. Now I don't have any experience with cashertrade .org, but I've been hearing about it a lot more, and so it was kind of funny to see it here as well. Look, this is unfortunate all the way around, right? Because on the one hand, look, I'm always happy when deadheads can get, you know,
Larry (25:59.188)
good pricing, but I'm not happy if the pricing is coming from other deadheads, you know, because I always like to hope that, you know, one deadhead selling to another, you know, you'd pretty much sell for face value. You know, you wouldn't have to give away a miracle ticket, but, you know, for face value or maybe very, very minimal markup or something, if they're going to be sitting next to you, you know, beers are on you tonight kind of thing, you know. But so I really like the idea of cash or trade. But on the other hand, you know, deadheads who went out and bought their tickets and now they can't go.
are kinda getting squeezed out of even being able to make their own money back. But 24 shows, plus the possibility of some new ones being added on top of that, that's a lot of shows for Den & Company in one location, more or less playing the same group of, I don't know, 75 songs maybe, maybe that's too large of a number, maybe it's of 60 songs. I have no idea.
somebody can sit down and count them out, I'm not gonna take the time to do it, but if you want to and email me, that would be awesome. But the point is, right, that, you know, you can say whatever you want about Phish, they played four shows in the Sphere, they were all completely different. We talked about their Baker's Dozen when they did 13 shows across the board, you know, without repeating a song. And, you know, again, at the Dead, never were a band that went, you know, indefinite amount of shows without repeating a song.
What they were was a band who every night played a different set list. And there could be some songs that wound up in the set list, maybe a couple of nights in a row, especially if they were on the newer side or if the band was really liking them. Some that might appear the first night of the tour and then not show up again until the last night of the tour. That kind of a thing. But never a situ... And more or less what Phish is now. Phish, even now, will start... Well, I'll find out because I'm going to be seeing a lot of shows this summer.
But I would figure by the third or fourth show, I mean if it's a three show run like an Alpine, then you go into St. Louis for two shows. I'm guessing in St. Louis you will hear songs that you heard up in Alpine. It may not be a lot, or maybe it would be, I don't know, we'll find out. But that's just the way the bands play. They've practiced certain tunes, they're really into certain tunes at the moment, and they like to play certain tunes. We'll see where it goes with that. But...
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It's tough. I mean, not to mention the fact that it's freaking 110 degrees in Las Vegas. You know, when you're asking people to find out what's inside the sphere, it's lovely. But, you know, people have to find something to do with themselves during the day. And, you know, even sitting outside by the pool is just really brutal. You get up to try and run and get in the pool. Lynn knows this. My good Mikey, good buddy Mikey's wonderful girlfriend, Lynn, who was out there with us for the Den and Co show that I was at a couple of weeks ago.
and we spent the next day hanging out by the pool at the Virgin Hotel, me and her and good buddy Mikey, and we got our seats finally to sit down by the pool and they were in the sand. And she's like, if you're gonna get up, make sure you put your shoes on. And of course I didn't listen, I just got up and started to walk across the sand to go to the bathroom and my feet are on fire. So, you know, always chose, always listened to Lynn. She knows what she's talking about when it comes to that kind of stuff. But seriously, it turns everything out there. You know, they have stainless steel, you know.
bars to grab onto as you're walking upstairs and you touch one of them, you're like burning your hand off. Who designed that? I don't know, that's crazy. But the point is that people aren't going to keep going back to Las Vegas week after week after week. And my sense is that Las Vegas, although it has an ever -growing population now of permanent residents, I can't tell you how many of them are deadheads or would go to see this show at all, let alone go to see it on multiple nights.
So it seems to me the people who ran out and bought tickets, and I'm gonna guess there probably are people who bought multiple nights or maybe over multiple weekends, and it may be that people say, look, I love it, that's too much, I'll come back one more weekend, but not two or three more weekends. I don't know, but the point is, if you wanna go see them, you can go see them, and it's not very expensive, so I would certainly recommend that you check that out. Now the next story that we're gonna talk about is a little weird one, because it's following up on what we were just talking about.
but in an interesting kind of way. Roger Daltrey, who, let's give Roger his props, the man who's saying, I hope I die before I get old, is now either pushing 80 or has turned 80. He's still touring and he's still belting out tunes, both with Pete Townsend and this is The Who, and he's getting ready to launch a big solo tour that he's gonna go around the world on. And that's great. People love Roger Daltrey. He has a great voice. He's a showman.
Larry (30:42.484)
I will tell ya that Mick Jagger's an amazing showman and a front man and Steven Tyler with Aerosmith is and there's a bunch of these guys out there who really fill that role, Steve Perry with Journey. Nobody like Roger Daltry. I know Mick is, be right up there with him. He runs around and jumps around and does all sorts of crazy shit at 80 years old. But the young Roger Daltry, or relatively young Roger Daltry, the first time that I saw him,
way back in nineteen eighty was good buddy mark and herald from chicago down in saint louis he'd come down to visit for the weekend and talk to spirits into letting him stay a couple of extra days we could all go see the who with the tickets that we'd managed to talk by mom into taking me to the post office the mail order for because a few months earlier they had that big stampede in cincinnati where people died in they weren't necessarily inclined to let us go until we pointed out how old all these reserved seats and that won't happen and
We went in and it changed my life as a rock and roll fan. It was like I say the first time I saw a big boy rock and roll show and they did not disappoint. But the C, Roger Daltrey in the front of that stage swinging that microphone around and I'm not like talking around in a big, you know, Ferris wheel circle, although he did that too, but over his head, swinging, swinging, swinging, swinging, and then knowing exactly when to yank on it so that it would come flying out of its circle, smack into his hand, just as he belted into the next verse, right?
and I went home and tried something like that once and probably knocked three vases off the shelf and that was the last time I ever tried. But here's why we're talking about Roger today and I think he maybe is just getting a little crotchety in his old age. Right, so touching on his feelings toward revealing the contents of a performance and online, Daltrey asserted, I'm not gonna talk about songs. Providing reasoning, he added, too many people reveal songs. There's no surprise left with concert these days.
because everyone wants to see the set list. I'm fucking sick of it. The internet's ruined the live shows for me. Who wants to know what's coming next? People forget about surprises. I can't stand it. OK, so I understand what Roger's saying here. And you can. You go on a lot of shows. And a lot of times, performers have the set list taped on the stage right underneath where they're standing. The piano player has it taped on the side. Sometimes you can get one of them to give it to you. Or if you know a guy who works backstage, they'll get it for you. And it's not uncommon to go online and social media.
Larry (33:06.164)
and see somebody who took a picture of the set list and posted it. And there's no doubt that if you go see Roger Daltrey the next night and he's playing the same songs, you might lose some of the surprise if in fact he's playing something special and he was gonna play it special again and he wanted people to know. But guess what? Here's an idea for you, Roger. Don't play the exact same show every night. You know?
Mix up your songs and then set lists can only give you probabilities of what might get played. It can't guarantee you for every night. See the Grateful Dead and Fish and every other jam band ever. And we follow those set lists religiously, not to see what they're playing that night, but yeah, to see what they're playing on the tour. And is Roger right? I mean, even if they're playing different songs every night, let's say we all went to Hampton in 1986 towards the beginning of the spring tour and we saw Box of Rain Breakout.
I suppose you could make an argument that if they're gonna go around the country or on their tour and Phil's gonna start playing Box of Rain now, then how fun would that be if you heard it and you had no idea that it was coming? But that's not the way rock and roll works, ever. Long before, well not long before, because it was while the Grateful Dead were out there playing those kind of shows, but long before I was following the Grateful Dead, you were following other bands. You know?
you would even if there wasn't a set list, if some band came out and broke out a tune for the first time in a long time, all you had to do was read the local newspaper if they were writing a review about it, because most music critics were at least in tune enough to be able to pick up on something like that. And you would say, yeah, that's cool. But I mean, really, what does Roger Daltrey think in today's day and age? Let's imagine that there's no set list. And he comes out and he decides to do side B from Tommy.
all the way through when he wants people to be, you don't think people aren't gonna get on the internet and say, my God, I went to the show tonight and Roger Daltrey played Side B from Tom, of course they are. And of course every guy who's writing, every journalist who's there covering the concert, that's the news. Once you play it, it's out there, that's what Garcia said. Mix up your set lists. Because I got news for you, Roger. If you're gonna play the same show every night, you'd have to be a really diehard Roger fan.
Larry (35:21.94)
to go to more than one or two shows on that tour, or at least maybe one or two in the beginning and then one or two in the end or something. But if you know he's gonna play the same thing every night, with or without a set list, that's not a recipe for success. So I'm thinking that maybe Roger didn't quite think this all the way through, maybe was having a rough day or something. I don't know, I like to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's a great guy, Roger Daltry, like I say, and I've always loved his music, I've always loved his singing.
and i'm just giving a hard time for the sake of given a hard time because he's not standing right next to me where you can pop me in the nose so that's roger moving on this past weekend well actually not quite this past weekend a week ago this past we could go yesterday my wife and i went out to the salt shed and salt shed in chicago for one of their outdoor shows and i could not have been more impressed with the whole setup for the outdoor shows
could have been more impressed with the way they were finally the security that running the security that must have heard me bitch at them when i went to fill less earlier in the year and the little guy who were only really wants to be a police officer gave me a hard time and grab my marijuana away from me and you know was not very nice about it but i'm back to the shows are too good to miss and they've got it all worked out everybody went in and those who were the smoke smoked and those who didn't didn't and we all had a great a great great time now
For those of you who haven't seen Krung Bin and you don't know who they are, what they're like, my response would be that I think they're an acquired taste. I like the sound. They have a very, very minimalist stage design. It goes up in steps and then there's a, where it finally platforms across and they stick the drummer up there and they have a backdrop that has three arches and they're all one for each of them and the...
the guitar player and the bass player and yes I have not learned their names yet so you'll have to forgive me for that but I just haven't. You know every song like they move there now they move their microphone stand over here and they go over there you know and they like move across the stage one's going one way one's a step up going the other way you know and almost kind of like a slow motion what kind of walk that
Larry (37:40.948)
Chuck Berry used to do, like when he'd get down really low and kinda hop across the stage, the chicken dancer walker. You know, I mean, they would just do things that were very, very, very thought out, you know, and like I say, planned, it was very artistic. I would've probably preferred a little bit less of that and just some more jamming because they certainly sound like excellent musicians. But you know, the way that I describe their music overall when I talked to some of my friends later was,
All night long it kept sounding like they were the Grateful Dead coming out of space, but it never got the big launch into whatever it invariably follows. It just kind of stayed at that same level all the way through. And for somebody who's never seen them before, quite frankly, it was very hard to tell when one song began, when one ended, when a new one began. I just did not have enough knowledge of their catalog, and people who do, I'm sure, of course, don't suffer from that problem.
But nevertheless, I would say that it was a very, very fun night. The encore that they played, and again, I don't know the name of the song, but it was my favorite tune of the night. I mean, they came out just really jamming hard on that. I'm like, where was this jamming all night? I would certainly see them again, but this time around, preferably with some psychedelics involved. I could then maybe better appreciate how the big screens up on the stage, they kept them blurry all night.
just enough so you know you can't really see them or you can't quite see what they're doing on stage clearly you can just see the images moving around and it's a great effect if you're tripping but it's hard on your eyes if you're not and of course I'm a little bit older so maybe it's just hard on my eyes. I was a good crowd you know fairly mellow lots of tats on people there which you know my wife and I noticed right away and felt both you know much younger than most people there and and very much a blank canvas in terms of not having any tats myself.
as i said my first outdoor show at space right on the north branch of the chicago river with the city skyline completely visible a very comfortable enjoyable sunday night with my wife fun had by all i would give it a solid b and i'm gonna have to go out and start buying some of their albums because based on the way they play them live my senses is that you know you can listen to it on the album and you're getting a similar sound it you know maybe they jam it out a little bit longer we'll find out but certainly
Larry (40:06.836)
We're gonna check that out. And so yes, Krugman, if they come by you and you have a chance, go see them. And yeah, let me know what you think. Finally, I did promise last week that I had literally just been handed the story from my wife and quickly from a few other good friends about Trey coming out and playing with Billy Joel in Madison Square Garden a week ago. So I was able to get a little bit more information on there and I know that you can...
going to relics dot com and find the story and you don't have a little take you directly to the video i would highly recommended because you know although they come from two different areas of rock and roll they both love to rock out they both loved to jam and not withstanding their friendly rivalry on who's you know who owns the mass square garden more than the other they're both consummate musicians and a billy joel you know is is an excellent piano player
plays in a number of different styles and genres and tempos and all of that kind of stuff and he's a prolific songwriter and trea anastasio you know plays the guitar like he was born with it in his hands and i forgot which one of his fish members said it's like he shits music it just comes out of him so naturally and so easily and it's it's a great opportunity to see such talented musicians billy joel from you know a little bit more of the younger part of my musical career again he was
late high school and throughout college and early adulthood and now Fish who although I certainly could have gotten into them sooner has been more of a late comer to them and enjoying all of their music. But it's just really fun that they came out and played together. They teamed up on a few songs including Sleeping With The Television on, You May Be Right, You May Be Crazy.
cover of jerry can the dominoes the the the outro if you will be instrumental outro of the song layla which is a marvelous tune for them to have played because trade knows really well having played in the layla cover with tedesky trucks band at lock in a few years ago men wouldn't matter trick and play it anyway and he's just jamming the guitar parts and billy joel is expertly playing keyboards behind it and adding just a lovely element a lovely sound to it
Larry (42:28.02)
that's in addition to the sound that we were used to with Derek and the Dominoes. And just a true rocker. And then they touched very briefly on Led Zeppelin's rock and roll, which Mike Del Judas got up and sang a little bit of. But my sense is Trey's out there with a big smile on his face, Billy Joel's out there with a big smile on his face, and why shouldn't they be? I think that they're both kind of honoring one another with the way they do it there.
you know good for them you know that they're both gonna play a lot i get the sense that their fan bases you know there may be some overlap especially you know for the older fish fans who have a you know the same kind of members of billy jull that i do when i saw him at alton johnett wigglyfield a few years back you know and i know i mentioned the story before sorry but i just like to mention stories you know they played and i probably knew every word to ninety five percent of the songs just from the two of them
having listened to it for so long. So that's almost like an old home week show for me. I remember seeing Billy Joel my freshman year of college in one of the big arenas in downtown Detroit and going down there with a group of friends and my God, was that the best? We were out in the town and we were seeing Billy Joel and we still knew every word, every song.
And it was great. So, excellent that it happened, thank you to my wife Judy, thank you to my cousin Susie, thank you to my son Matthew and everybody else who thought of me and sent me notices about it. But it just goes to show fans, you never know. That's why you go to the shows and you stay through the whole show, because you don't know what they're gonna play, you don't know who's gonna show up on stage, and you don't know if it will ever happen again. And nobody wants to miss out on anything like that.
Okay, back to our show from 36 years ago today, June 17th, 1988 at the Met Center in Minneapolis. And here we go, coming out to start the second set.
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should be victim of the crime.
Larry (45:01.14)
Show number two.
Larry (47:21.844)
so i had to play along clip here victim of the crime because this is the first time the debt ever played it was again one of the you know quote unquote new songs of the late nineteen eighties it was written by bob we're an interestingly the lyrics were by garrard graham and not by john perry barlow who did so much of the lyrics were for bobby's tunes
here's a great quote by jerry garci on it on victim of the crime he says it's one of we're is stunningly odd compositions but it's also very adventurous it's uncompromising it is what it is in the challenge of coming up with stuff to play that sounds intelligent in the context has been incredible but also appropriately gnarly i really wanted that part of it to work i think we did a nice job on the record with it it works
Whatever it is, it works. I'm real happy with it because it was one of those things that was like, what are we gonna do with this? It's like having a monster brother that you lock in the attic. It's like a relative that you're like, God, I hope nobody comes over when he's eating. But that's one of the things that makes the Grateful Dead fun. The text of it, I don't believe I've ever actually listened to all of the words of it, ever. I have the gist of it by now. I could probably recite it if I really had to, but the text of it is more of the same in a way. It doesn't have the whole.
a lot of light in it. It's very dense and it's angst ridden to boot. I love Jerry Garcia, can you imagine that? I don't know exactly when he gave this quote, but how many times did he stand up on stage next to Bob listening to it? I'll tell you how many times, 96! And he says that, I don't believe I've ever actually listened to all of the words of it, ever. That's funny. It was played 96 times. It debuted right here at this show.
We were lucky enough to catch it, me and good buddy Mikey and JT, I made a mistake and closed the first set, it did not open the second set. My apologies, China Ryder opened the second set. And it remained in the rotation thereafter. And was played for the final time on July 2nd, 1995 at the Deer Creek Music Center in Noblesville, Indiana. You know, Victim of the Crime.
Larry (49:31.284)
like some of but not all of the but certainly some of bobby's new tunes that came out during that period you know cut got a lot of pushback and you know very split among the dead heads if you read the comments you know online and other places where concert in this song appears some people called the worst bob we're sort of all time the worst grateful dead song of all time other people say you know it's bobby you know doing a great job and come up with a fun to that really moves along and all of that kind of stuff
And my feeling on it is with all of these tunes is you may not like them at first and you may not like them as they go along, but eventually one day you're at one of the shows and you realize, this tune's not bad. I've heard it enough times now that it's kind of grown on me and that's happened with me with Dead Tunes, with Fish Tunes, other bands. And sometimes it's just a matter of hearing it enough times to really develop a taste for it. And I certainly appreciate the energy that he brings to that tune.
and the way he built it was it was a perfect encapsulation of where they were at the eighties bobby you know in the short shorts of cut off shorts right up at the front of the stage screaming yell and gesturing at the crowd with his hands really trying to get him going garcia back in his microphone you know we're all hoping he doesn't fall asleep or anything and just amazing the crowds night after night after night this next one that we're going to play for you right now which followed pretty much right after
few songs after victim of the crime is another great song that was being played during that era that often got the crowd moving as well
Larry (53:04.276)
all along the watchtower sung by American singer -songwriter Bob Dylan from his eighth studio album John Wesley Harding which came out in 1967. The song was written by Dylan and produced by Bob Johnston covered by numerous artists all along the watchtower strongly identified with the interpretation Jimi Hendrix recorded with the Jimi Hendrix experience for their third studio album Electric Ladyland that was released in 1968.
The Hendrix version released six months after Dylan's original recording became a top 20 single in 1968, received a Grammy Hall of Fame award in 2001, and was ranked 48th in Rolling Stone magazine's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time in 2004, 40th in the 2021 version. Dylan first played the song live in concert on the Bob Dylan and the Band 1974 Tour, which was his first tour since 1966. His live performances have been influenced by Hendrix cover,
to the extent that they may have been called covers of cover. Right, now he's covering, Hendrix covering him. The singer has performed the song live, this Dylan we're talking about, more than any of his other ones with over 2 ,250 recitals of that tune. That's amazing. That's just an amazing number of times to sing one song. And the thing with this, you know, with Jimmy, the Jimi Hendrix version is that.
Certainly I originally and so many people I know always grew up with the impression that all along the watchtower was in fact a Jimi Hendrix tune And even if you heard Bob Dylan sing it, I remember, you know the time
Well, I know Jimi Hendrix, I guess I know Bob Dylan, but yeah, maybe Bob Dylan covered Jimi Hendrix's tune. No, no, no. We all learn. That's not the way it is. We've had stories about Dylan touring this past year in Japan and in some parts of Europe and some parts of the States and covering a few Grateful Dead tunes and how fun that is and enjoyable for him. But no, no, no. All Along the Watchtower is, in fact, a Bob Dylan tune. We love the Jimi Hendrix version, and that is essential rock and roll listening.
Larry (55:08.278)
But, you know, credit where credit is due and this is Bob's tune. I always loved the Grateful Dead's cover of it. As you heard in this clip, it's just a rocking tune. Jerry loved it as much as anybody and he would really get into it. Bobby, you know, with the howling lyrics and everything like that. A really, really good snappy second set tune that always got the crowd moving and kind of going into the next gear. So that was really good.
we're now going to segue over to the marijuana side of things we've got the marijuana news to go and did we got for us today
Larry (56:08.82)
yeah yeah chichichang once you start with them you can never stop also from the animated chichichang movie i just call them to the cannabis industry the gift that keeps on giving and you know there's nobody who hasn't heard of chichichang maybe not everyone enjoyed the movies maybe not everyone saw one of their movies but they're just out there all the time it's kind of hard to miss them obviously chichamaran has gone on to have a a
film and television career independent of Tommy Chung. And Tommy Chung's gone off and was selling all sorts of glassware and stuff like that and just going around being everybody's resident expert on marijuana. And you know, deservedly so, they carved out those personalities for themselves and they were also part of the...
the stuff that we were listening to back in the day. Long before we tried marijuana, we were laughing our butts off listening to Cheech and Chong talk about it, and not really, of course, quite understanding what it was all about. But I remember after I started getting high the first couple of times thinking, wow, now I start to get some of their humor a little bit more, and what they were saying, and what that was all about. So, hats off to Cheech and Chong. Okay, now,
Here's some interesting marijuana news that I want to share again from our good friends over at Marijuana Moment. And what we find out in a recent story is that the Biden administration is reconsidering the longstanding federal hardline stance on cannabis, ushering in parts for marijuana -based offenses and purposing reclass and.
and and proposing reclassifying the drug right so we know that that he's been doing that while proponents of social equity in the marijuana industry are cheering on the sentiment they say these more lenient federal gestures which are silent on established state cannabis regulations could create confusion they also have a new concern tobacco and alcohol industry's big footing into the market the word of caution is that at this point because it's federally illegal
Larry (58:16.18)
Tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical companies are not involved, said Shailene Title, a former member of the state's Cannabis Control Commission and now founder and director of the Parabola Center for Law and Law Policy Think Tank. They have been waiting in the wings, so we have to understand with federal legalization that will change, and there are precautions that we will want to take.
Title then jumps from Massachusetts Cannabis Regulation to Federal Policy Work at the end of 2020, joining a coalition of drug policy experts and lawyers pushing for substantial marijuana reform. She discussed the Bay State's evolution on cannabis policy and its place in an increasingly complex state federal cannabis environment on an episode of the Horse Race podcast co -hosted by Commonwealth Beacon reporter Jennifer Smith and Mass Ink Poland Group president Steve Kozela.
A federal move to reschedule marijuana from schedule one to schedule three of the Controlled Substances Act, redefining it from a substance with no medical use and a high potential for abuse to one with a medical use and a moderate to low potential for abuse, prompted mixed responses from the advocates. Dr. Rahul Gupta, director of the Office of Natural Drug Policy, told Florida NPR station WGCU that the move is a recommendation based on science and evidence, adding, it doesn't make sense to make sure that we're pursuing science and evidence when it comes to
medication and use those medications for Americans with chronic illnesses, chronic pain, diseases like cancer. But Title said the administration is mischaracterizing the rescheduling proposal by making it seem like a straightforward shift when there are still many unanswered questions about how the change would impact prescription access and production, let alone interact with states that have regulations manning both recreational and medicinal cannabis.
the proposal is completely out of line with what the states here doing she said it does not legalize anything about state programs the federal politics poll policy told she said prompted by parabola to take step to take to take a step back and look at what people actually want when it comes to legalization and in particular it's really important to understand the different policies will different will benefit different groups of people
Larry (01:00:35.86)
The title said she came to the conclusion that Massachusetts could do a much better job on worker protections prior to a new parable of survey, but responded prioritizes priorities reinforced her view. Of those surveyed, 73 % said cannabis legalization should benefit workers in the cannabis industry. A Bay State cannabis worker suffered an asthma attack at a Holyoke processing facility and died in 2002.
The survey of 404 American adults was initially intended to be an internal parable tool to test education, best messaging on cannabis use, Title said, but the organization decided to release its publicity to highlight a few new trends. So there's really a lot going on and this is very interesting as to what's happening here and what people are saying.
People aren't happy with this. Now these are for different reasons, but it's as we talked about, if it becomes a schedule three, does that mean that only big pharma and licensed pharmacists can now service it? Because that's the case for every other controlled substance schedule one, two, and three. So nobody really knows how this is gonna break down, right? On the drug side,
i'm sure they would argue hey or you know the the law and order side the prohibition site they would argue that if we move it all the way off the schedules though there's gonna be a big problem for sure
on the other hand i think before we really like that cousin they would be free to go to town on this without any concerns i mean i have heard more than a few license holders in the semi -legal industry that we exist in today saying they like it because it keeps out really big companies and keeps out you know other competition for people who don't you know really have the risks
Larry (01:02:30.612)
factor that you need to be able to engage in this business and be aware of the fact that you are breaking federal law and still manage to go about running your business. So there's just a lot happening with that and look the sooner the feds can get this all worked out the better and it shouldn't take 15 times to pass a safe banking act that everybody's in agreement should pass. It shouldn't take so long to pass the safe act for the state so that we start treating states that have
of medical marijuana programs as being federally legal states for marijuana. And we start making a slow transition over to it that way. And all sorts of so many other things to really open the door for banking once and for all and to let banks know that they're no longer on the hook.
for possible money laundering charges that you know could be very very dangerous based on improper or incorrect reporting by the customers that make their money with them you know and so
We just really need to see this move forward and do what it's going to do and get us to where we want it to get us. Here's another interesting story that we're going to touch on. One of the GOP congressmen, in fact two Republican congressmen, are challenging the basis of the conviction of President Joe Biden's sons.
his son Hunter for purchasing a gun while being a consumer of illegal drugs, with one pointing out that there are millions of marijuana users who own guns but should not be prosecuted. After a federal jury found Hunter Biden guilty of three felony charges related to his purchase of a firearm while being a user of crack cocaine, by the way, only a schedule two, on Tuesday, Representative Thomas Massey, a Republican from Kentucky, said he might deserve to be put in jail for something.
Larry (01:04:20.436)
course that's you know I would expect that that's the conservative line but purchasing a gun is not it okay now we've got the gun rights people matching up with the marijuana people and this is great right Massey's never been a huge promoter of marijuana even though he's from Kentucky but you know he's also not for locking people up
of you know specially in gun situations because that can quickly spread which is against the interest of gun control gun rights users and all those people right there are millions of marijuana users who owns guns in this country and none of them should be in jail for purchasing or possessing a firearm against current laws the congressman said this past December attorneys for hunter by and called on a federal court to dismiss the case against their client based on a similar principle arguing the prosecutors are playing unconstitutional statute
that would criminalize millions of marijuana consumers acting in compliance with state laws if broadly enforced. The federal statute banning people who use cannabis from buying or possessing firearms has been challenged in multiple federal courts over the years with one case pending a review in the US Supreme Court. Now, this is interesting because this has been going on for a while and I think that a lot of people out there recognize that this, you know,
this shouldn't be the problem that it is if we're going to allow guns in this country and if we're going to recognize marijuana as being legal in parts of this country or at least you know not criminal we can't have a federal law that continues to prohibit the two of them being used together either by people who sell marijuana or by people who purchase and smoke marijuana right that that that's just not realistic
and it's a stupid rule. It's not fair to the marijuana industry. It's not fair to gun owners. And I'm no fan of guns. I'm the first one to tell you that I think we need much stricter gun laws in this country. And guns more than anything are responsible for high levels of violence that we see all across the country and for deaths in families and suicides and children's deaths and all of that. But we're not here to talk about the pros and cons of guns. We're here to talk about the idea that one should bar the other.
Larry (01:06:40.404)
Now it's interesting because he got a little bit of pushback from people saying, hey, idiot, what you're really talking about.
you know, Hunter Biden uses crack cocaine. You're making comments about marijuana, and that's true, and people instinctively look what they do there. They go right to suggest that somehow the crack cocaine is worse. It's not. Crack cocaine is on schedule two. Marijuana is on schedule one. That's always been the problem with marijuana on schedule one. The hypocrisy, the stupidity, the ridiculousness of all of this, right? And so, you know, you start getting this pushback from people.
that it's like, he had crack cocaine, that's so much worse than marijuana and they think they're scoring points, they're not. They're not scoring points when they say that because marijuana is schedule one compared to crack cocaine's schedule two and so it's just, it's refreshing to hear that at least in their zeal to find something to pin on Hunter Biden, some of these, you know,
hardcore republicans are at least going to be consistent enough to push back and say but not for something like this you know there's plenty of other things we think we can get him on and maybe there is we'll find out but not for something like this not for something that impacts so many people because we don't want to show him any favors because he's the president's son but he also should be treated any different because he's the president's son and if millions of consumers of marijuana
own handguns and are using handguns and they're not being prosecuted. I mean, I think that there's certainly a certain number of people who have to take that into account. And if you're zeal to get something on Hunter Biden is so great that you'll live with this, well, okay. But just remember that someday because there's gonna be some of you who smoke marijuana who are gonna get caught with marijuana and a handgun.
Larry (01:08:35.764)
you know in the glove box of your car because you never leave home without your gun and then what are you going to say then? it shouldn't apply to me, it should only apply to Hunter. So you know this is stuff that really needs to be thought about all the way around and needs to be properly addressed and as a marijuana user and a marijuana advocate my position is that the gun issues should have nothing to do with marijuana. They shouldn't be linked in any way shape or form because people who have bias against handguns you know
shouldn't have to bring that bias into a discussion about marijuana and vice versa. They're each separate things. They each have people who like to observe and follow them and people who don't. And that's the end of it. We all know which one is safer and isn't going to kill people, but that's not even the issue here. Right?
The issue here is that they shouldn't be linked. And it's unfortunate when they do get linked. And if we would just make the marijuana legal, certainly, I mean, the guns are legal, right? Guns killing people and all this stuff, they're legal. That's not the issue. The issue is that the marijuana comes along, but you have more people these days who favor legal marijuana than legal guns. So I think it's really time that people stop acting as though this is a truly linked issue.
that needs to be continually continuously enforced it doesn't and there's just no reason you know to keep raising it for that purpose and hopefully people will walk away from that and come up with something new that's what's going on with marijuana there is a
a paper company, and I forget which one, another one I just looked at as I was getting ready to go on, and they will pay $4 .20 to volunteers who smoke joints for science. Google $4 .20 smoke joints for science, you'll find it. It's just one of those things that I'm like, you know, it's when I miss my buddy Blake, if he was around, he rolled the best joints in the world, he would go and he would do this for sure.
Larry (01:10:45.62)
whether or not they'd have them is a whole other story, but what a great opportunity, what a great thing to put on your resume and to be able to tell your children about some day. So go roll your joints for science, have fun, get paid not a whole lot of money, but symbolically a fun amount of money. We're gonna head back into the show now. And we're gonna move forward, excuse me, in the second set.
to the post drums and one of jerry's favorite tunes he used to play during that time and a to the correct get gets great coverage here and what i really like black peter what's your
Larry (01:13:08.372)
Black Peter's a wonderful Garcia Hunter tune released on Working Man's Dead in 1970. Robert Hunter was not afraid of death. He experienced it a thousand times over. The American musician composed the lyrics to many of the Grateful Dead's most successful songs and played an essential role in curating the band's mythos. One that saw the psychedelic rock outfit earned hoards of dedicated fans deadheads, and one such song was Black Peter.
written for the band's 1970 album, Working Man's Dead, which we said, by 69, the dead were practically synonymous with the liberal drug culture of the hippie era. In June of that year, Robert Hunter and the gang were given a glass of apple juice laced with probably a full gram of crystal LSD, worth perhaps $50 ,000 in 1969 dollars. The intense trip that followed would completely reinvigorate Hunter's understanding of death.
and influences subsequent lyrics for black peter basis to fill us with later recall tasting the lsd in the juice after a single sip i wish you could be where i am at right now it's so beautiful he told drummer mickey heart but i couldn't possibly play music now i don't even know what music is still there was a job to do so the band played on anyway so sure of course no doubt allsley stanley's crystal lsd and you know
Phil is at that point in time getting ready to start getting creative and write Box of Rain and some other stuff. Robert Hunter's already well into his way of writing the tunes for both American Beauty and Working Man's and...
you know it's just a great time all the way around when they talk about that what was happening when hunter sat down and wrote these words and and garcia put the music to it in the eighties and nineties it was certainly one of jerry's wrote rotating post drums second set balance along with morning dew warfrad and stella blue kind of forming a four drum four song
Larry (01:15:10.516)
not a triumvirate but whatever the word would be for four instead of three. This version is one of the highlights of this show. I think Jerry's voice is really strong. If not, just a bit ragged around the edges, the way the Deadheads liked it, with just enough emotion to really convey the song's meaning and its statement about the end of life. And as you can hear when he jumps into that guitar solo, towards the end of the clip, the crowd roars in appreciation.
both because of the effort that he's bringing to the table here with this you know and the energy he's playing again this is not two years post jerry diabetic coma and you know during the era when everybody had said going from the fat man rock showing silhouette of a have you said jerry garcia jumping up in the michael jordan pose for
you know for that and for that same nike ad and then eventually moving to the fit man rocks because jerry had was dropping pounds and eating more healthy and all of that could kind of stuff and in nineteen eighty eight
he was sounding really really great and we really enjoyed it and it was good and we're we're gonna we're gonna close out today's show with the encore which we'll get to in one minute i just want to say thank you to everyone for listening today another happy birthday shout out to dan when you guys listen to this is birthday will be a few days hold but wherever you are make sure you give a shout out to sees an important important part of this team and you're listening enjoyment as well
Stay tuned because we are going to get Andras Kirchner on this show sometime in the next couple of weeks. We're very excited about that and look forward to have an opportunity to discuss so many things with him, both in the world of marijuana and the Grateful Dead. He's one of those guys who straddles both of our subsets of topics very nicely. And we're going to be very happy to have a chance to speak with him. And the summer march is on. Enjoy everything. See the most live music and outdoor music you can see.
Larry (01:17:10.726)
And we're going to close out here with Black Muddy River. It was played 66 times.
The first was on December 15th, 1986 at Oakland Alameda County Coliseum. The last was on July 9th, 1995 at Soldier Field in Chicago. In fact, it looked like it was going to be the last song of the show, the encore, and it would have been the last song of a difficult summer tour. Turns out it would have also been the last song ever played in concert by the dead. And whether Phil knew all that or not, he stepped in and decided, you know, before they walked off stage, they weren't going, they wanted to leave everyone with a smile on their face.
No bad taste in their mouths and came out and played box of rain for a great second encore Which then began which then became the last song ever played by the Grateful Dead in concert You know and so by contrast however This version is just as out is outstanding and not the kind of piece of a hot mess that
that one was with jerry forgetting lyrics and looking like he barely had the the strength of the energy to get through and you know just really kind of sad to see
on this show you know jerry just has boundless energy perfect sign with the you know right on the banks of the mississippi river up there in twin cities so it's geographically appropriate for the venue mikey j t and i rolled off into the night a crazy weekend in many other than export shows on tour at alpine you know how it you know
Larry (01:18:41.78)
How great would it be to have that kind of energy again, even if just for one night? Well, I'll tell you by the end of fish tour this summer, folks. Thank you, psychedelics, is all I can say for what we experienced back then. To all of you, please enjoy the summer solstice in the beginning of summer, which comes up in a few days here. Please join us again next week. More great shows and more great guests on tap to bring in to entertain all of us with great stories about interesting times on the topics that we all love so much. Thanks, everyone.
Enjoy your cannabis responsibly. Talk to you later.